The next kingsnake?

[Mario]

Someone sent me a torgan from adelphia.net. I don’t think to gain access to my site, that’s on a separate web host. But it’s just as well possible to gain info or a back door into their. This is one other the secutiry reason I have not given Rakell or WWF access to log in. Their were many pervious attempts from another person that have been dealt with. I know that it would been theoretically possible from these persons computers. So even if I wanted to, with what was going on I couldn’t.
As you see adelphia.net seems like a pretty centralized ISP. I have never encountered that one. I look up IP’s frequently.
But a Trojan horse is what’s used to hack into a system. It creates a back door in. So if I opened the file attachment, the person on the other end or anyone else for that matter could gain access. But I think it was to gain accesses to my system to either inflict damage, destroy evidence, plant some evidence, or something. I don’t know, I just know its too big of a quincidence and too much potential. I am steaming pissed right now.

 

[Uffern]

I understand your anger, I would be angry too. However, in all the time that I have been frequenting this board, Ritchie has never done anything like that that I know of. I'm sure he knows that if he did, he would lose ALL credibility here, as would anyone else who did that. I would stake my bottom dollar that Ritchie is not the one who did that. Also, he doesn't plant evidence. If it is there, he (or someone else) will probably find it. I doubt he would ever stoop so low as to do that.

 

[Mario]

Well Im just covering all basis. But obviously their would be many implications. I have little doubt that he would not do something like this. His attacks been so personal and the way he has attacked me. But it seems too strange to rule out. And would make perfect sense to me. He’s twisted everything I said around and attacked my witness. He’s came on my board and attacked me. I just stopped for a second to read his post on my board. But it’s clear its intent was to undermine me and the way I moderate and for visitors to think if they disagree with me then they will be asked to leave and referred me to Hitler. He was banned for good reason and I locked the post away cause the way it was. Not to cover evidence that was harmful to me, but evidence that suggested motives of his. Now I am getting a very clear picture of what is going on here and I don’t want to say too much. This whole thing was twisted around so bad and I am seeing why. Obviously I am competition. After all, I am the top gecko site on RTS and probably the web for that matter. At least gecko specific. But it is forming a very clear picture to me know what’s going on.
Hey I noticed you got a warning too. But theirs no comment. Appenerlty I got one from the my comment, but his comment seemed pretty nasty on mine. I see yours is no comment. That’s interesting.

 

[Darin Chappell]

You may not care for the intensity of his stare, but I would find it nearly impossible to believe that Ritchie would EVER do what you're saying has been done to you and your site. Unless, you have irrefutable proof of Ritchie's involvement, I would look elsewhere for your culprit.

 

[Rakell G]

whoa, once again the twisting of words.......

about the "raping of small children" ~~ i remember seeing this on GeckoExpert posted by A troll, and to me it seemed to be a sick and wrong statement. Mario never said "Steve rapes young children" and i am SURE Steve is a decent person and that this is a sick statement that you people have blown out of porportion. GeckoExpert was overrun by several trolls (if you wanna see IP logs i can show you members with over 20 names) and GE became quite the joke towards its final days. In GE's final hours i sat up till late hours of the night trying to "one by one" delete obscene posts that these trolls were making, until finally the traffic became overwhelming and the boards crashed, never to be seen since. What i am trying to say is that a lot of obscene things were posted by SEVERAL people, and that this was one of them. I believe it holds no literal truth to it, but it was a freaking statement to hurt others. It is almost like me telling one of you people that i am going to "... come over and stick my boot in your @ss" now seriously, am i really going to waste my time coming to your house to spread your cheeks and soil my boots? NO.

...then maybe you need a moderator with thicker skin. a moderator who can speak on what is right and what is wrong. here is an example. she did not like the way the other mod talked about the admin....and instead of setting him straight all she said was WOW and OH GOSH. she is too chicken (your own words) to speak her mind. hey maybe if she gets enough courage....she might speak against you instead of having to get coerced into speaking for you.

Thicker skin? Ritchie, you have some nerve.
I believe i put it to Mario as "... i will post as soon as the words come to me, this is all bull$hit and needs to stop. I need to find a way to defend our forum, my name, and you, in a mannor that will not fuel the fire." I am not "a chicken ****", but i am a person that thinks about what she is about to say before she says it. I did not step in on the problems between Mario and Steve because most of them did not directly involve me, and personally i think it is of bad judgement for people to be sticking thier necks and noses into other peoples personal affairs.

I am not going to lie on this board. I have never lied for Mario. Mario is not lying to get support or hits or anything else. He was made to look like an @ss on this board, so he came here to clear his name just as anyone else would do. Oh, and another thing i think is funny...... you critisized him for his mis-spelled words, and "unreadable" jibberish, well at least he has taken the time to write his posts as drafts that can be spell checked and looked through. He is trying to make you people understand, yet all you can do is find another tender place to stick the hot poker.

I dont think this thing needs to go any further, but thats just MY GOD HONEST OPINION.

ps- thanks Corey ;x

 

[Stardust]

There are two sides to every story. I would like to see what Richie wrote on your site that had him banned, unless I missed something it was not shown on here?
I believe you were warned because of the accusations you were making and not being able to back them up. If what you said about raping boys is true AND you can back that up it should go to the police station. If you can not back it up then it should stay where it came from- in your head.
Where is WWF? Are these accusations true? Did you spout that stuff?
I wonder about both of your scrupples.
If in fact someone is messing with you and your site Mario, and I know it is not right, did you ever here the phrase, "What goes around comes around"?

 

[Mario]

That’s right, two sides. Up until recently its been one sided attacks on me.
But I have to hold Riches post confidential. Sorry, this is now my evidence. I am now forced to protect it. While yes, nothing can be changed off my site from being here. It does seem in a past page that Richie may have forgotten what was posted. But he knows what he did. I’m not giving him or her that benefit of knowing the exact words used. Things have went so nasty here and are looking like so much more then I thought was going on. But he did violate the rules of the board. And their was intent as to why. I already showed why Steve was banned. I am not going through this twice. I have to start treating things professionally right? So its between me and him and any courts if needed, oh ya and other staff of the forum. Im sorry if I sound like a smart ars now, but as the way crap went and the way things look like they may go. I have reason to be.
Like I said, the matter with what Steve said is just that, something he said as a troll to ruin a forum. Why should this be token to the police station? Not alone what can they do about it? The forum their? No. If their hard evidence on it? That depends, nothing I seem to bring up here is. Did I say something about it? Yes. Did my witness say she seen it? Yes. So its not something from my head, its something that happened. He’s the one that attacked me, I showed my evidence and that should have been that. But no, lets fry Mario. Why, cause I am now a strong enough competitive threat to this forum. So now rumors will fly, facts twisted around, and everything else. Not to mention tons of skeptics.
As your phrase what comes around goes around. Um think about it. I didn’t start off to be pissed off enough to be competitive with GE. I did not troll it. I was not the one that said them things. I laughed about the irony. So GE did get just that.
You just have no idea what that forum put me through, no idea. But the irony was fantastic and a well suited end. I did what I had to do and watched and could only laugh what a angry ex-moderator could do. Like I said before, their was nothing that can be done. It was in GE’s hands to have any investigations done, not mine. If I said anything I would have been accused by them of making false accusations. This is what I went through their. But it’s clear you do support that behavior. I played fair, it was others who haven’t. I just enjoyed seeing it collapse on its self.

 

[Stardust]

OK so you wont show any hard core proof because that is "evidence". Then why are you still writing on here? Take all this proof you have and run with it. Basically put up or shut up.
As far as you being fair, from what I have seen here you were not. As a moderator you had an obligation, you knew what was going on and who was doing it but did nothing about it. These people trusted you. How is that playing fair? Where is your credibility? Your ethics? Maybe you should be looking at what you write and what you put down and ask yourself if you are not doing what indeed you are accusing others here of doing, Twisting.

 

[WebSlave]

Mario - about your trojan....

You are reading too much into this. I get literally dozens of them a day in my email. So much so that I have my mail reader set to immediatly put ANY email with an attachment into the DELETED folder. I have gotten ones with return addresses from everyone you can imagine, even myself, which is ridiculous. The way these programs work is once they infect a system, they raid the address book of the email program on the infected computer, then spawn more copies of themselves using not only bits and pieces of messages received by the infected computer, but also showing the people in the address book as being the source of the email. This is a pretty crafty piece of work by whomever designed those damned things.

And it works many times, as people will tend to open an email and activate an attachment from what appears to be a known source. I had this same identical thing accused of me by the webmaster of the sSNAKESs.com site not that long ago.

So, please, don't jump to conclusions. I would think that any webmaster would spend some time learning about and protecting themselves against these sort of malicious threads that abound on the net. This is only common sense.

Oh yeah, and about this comment you made:

Why, cause I am now a strong enough competitive threat to this forum.

I am sorry you feel that some sort of competitiveness spirit is involved in all of this. Geckos are such a small subset of what is offered on this site, that to think competitiveness even comes slightly into consideration is a pretty farfetched idea for someone to come up with.

 

[Darin Chappell]

"But no, lets fry Mario. Why, cause I am now a strong enough competitive threat to this forum."





Yeah, that's what this is all about . . .we're scared of you and your site putting the BOI out of business!

:laugh:

 

[Monte]

again - let's get some perspective

Mario, Steven and all the others involved, remember why you got into geckos in the first place. They are fun to raise and reward you with very little effort. And internet forums for geckos are informative and FUN, right? Simple as that.

I think you all need to get some perspective. Being the premier gecko site on the net is akin to being the best ballerina in Galveston, TX. Bud, I've been to your site - and from what I've seen, most of your traffic has to do with leopard geckos - you know, those easy to care-for, fun and handleable critters that lots of kids own? That's great - its what makes leos fun, I think. But we're not breaking any critical herpetocultural ground here.

Think about it, for a second. Spamming/trolling (or whatever you call it) a gecko forum? That's a little sad, I think. And getting worked up over what people say on forums? Mario, you're dealing with kids, mostly. That's your market - if you want to be the big gecko dog on the net, you're going to have to learn how to deal with it.

Maybe you guys just need to take a deep breath, check the egos at the door, let things settle down and get back to enjoying these great little herps. But take a step back - because I feel none of you are rehabilitating your reputations with these posts. I know it's been turning me off a lot, and I usually can get along with anyone.

Just some advice - take it or leave it.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Very well put!

 

[HerpVenue]

I will not condone hack attempt’s Richie. I can only assume who sent the email was from you since it is from your same internet provider and quincedently you have already attacked me publicly on here, my site, and in email either way, I am not tolerating that one bit.

HUH?
Okay....now I am sending hacks? That is news to me. Well I guess you can say what you want... because I have no defense against this. How do I prove I did not send it. You can have the cops come and take my computer...maybe they can figure it out. But I did not send anything to you. No virus, trojan, backdoor watchamacallits, bad stuff computer infectors.... NOTHING
Nice of you to start fabricating SH!T though.
Your an admin. You probably know about all that proxy stuff. You can send stuff to yourself and make it look like it came from me. Even your ex-moderator explained to you how this can be done.

So its between me and him and any courts if needed

Sue away buddy boy. The only evidence you have is me telling you that you are a liar and that the BOI did not attack the Gecko community like you portrayed it to.

I showed my evidence and that should have been that.

So your evidence for banning him is what? Oh the way he behaved on a competitors board in the past. Which by the way You condoned.

Here is a copy and paste of the last thing sent from my computer (as of this writing)

From: "Ritchie Luna" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: 404 - Error
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:30:15 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2D2C4.C974E760"
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C2D2C4.C974E760
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.geckonetwork.com/forum/v...85125cb924b7e71
your unproffesional post where did it go?
Covering your ass I see.
How is your pretend lawsuit coming along?

But keep reaching for straws. So far all your posts have been reaching for straws.

It does seem in a past page that Richie may have forgotten what was posted. But he knows what he did. I’m not giving him or her that benefit of knowing the exact words used.

I may not know the exact words...But the gist is....
You lied to your members.
The only "evidence" you have shown is how he behaved on another board. (whoopty doo)

Rackell, nothing against you.
It ws Mario who said you are chicken ****. I only echoed his words. So far you have been nothing but professional. Him on the other hand is a different story. But I have a problem with something you said.

Mario is not lying to get support or hits or anything else.

My question to you. When Mario told his members that the BOI is attacking the gecko community. Is this the truth? Or is this a lie? Shall I quote for you what he said?
When he decided to lie to his members about the BOI....that is the only time I went to your site.
When Mario said I have a history for attacking him without cause in the past....Is this the truth or a lie? I researched it and this is the only thread where me and Mario here ever crossed paths. Someone point it out to me if I missed it.

Oh I see now. Richie you are a moderator here. Ok I get it now. That would explain many things.

No I am not a "moderator". I was given the "powers" so I can go behind the scenes and sniff out the known liars anc cheaters who keep trying to sell their fake hets around here. But you are right. It does explain things. It explains why I went to your board after you attacked the BOI on your forum and lied to your members.

By the way Mario.... you may think you got something on me or whatever just because I do not remember word for word what my post was..... But if you go before a judge and fabricate some words that supposedly came from me.. I will definately know. I knew you would not like me calling you out in front of your members... That is why I made it as proffesional as I could.

And another thing. Now that I know you can fabricate stuff about me sending you hacks... Now I am beginning to think that this whole thing against Steve is all a fabrication. I mean if he was so bad as you say he is...why did you make him moderator?

And another thing. Your forum is not under attack here. Your weak defense is. Your lying is. Your story fabrication is.

My last thing to say to you. You think I would be smart enough to send you a hack. (I say smart because those people are so computer savy...I am not) Then sue away. You think I am trying to shut your site down and I cost you business. Then sue away !! You sound exactly like a couple other webmasters I have encountered.
"I can't get my way so I will sue you"
"you decided to use your brains instead of believing in me blindly. I will sue you"

QUIT THREATENING ME WITH LAWSUITS AND JUST DO IT !!!!!! you know you ain't got nothing. And like I said. I mean no malice against your site.

and what I have said is my own personal opinion which I am entitled to the last time I checked. SO SUE ME !! DO IT !!!! SPEND MONEY BECAUSE YOU GOT YOUR FEELINGS HURT !!

 

[HerpVenue]

Well I am quite hurt that my biggest aliaby did not pull through for me.
So I am no longer able to protect anyone. I am truly hurt by this.

GREAT !!!!
Go spend money on your lawyer because your feelings are hurt.

 

[E2MacPets]

Lets see Rakell posted that there were 20 unique trolls on geckoexpert (i can verify the IP list as Rakell and I were constantly comparing notes back then on these trolls, however the majority of the IPs were from aol in florida, and I believe charter 3?) and Mario is accusing me of being the specific troll (when he has no idea which one it was) that bragged about raping young boys.

Yeah, that's just my style.



Mario has "proven" that I was a troll only by my own admission that I registered "Troll" and posted the password along with the explination for why I registered Troll.

I didn't know I had cornered the market on trolling. Wow I must be good. Why stop at accusing Ritchie of sending you a virus? It must have been me trying to put the blame on someone else! Of course!

 

[HerpVenue]

Hey Mario What time did I send you the hack?
You can at least tell us that.

 

[HerpVenue]

He was banned for good reason and I locked the post away cause the way it was. Not to cover evidence that was harmful to me, but evidence that suggested motives of his. Now I am getting a very clear picture of what is going on here and I don’t want to say too much. This whole thing was twisted around so bad and I am seeing why. Obviously I am competition

I got motives? That is interesting to me.

Hey guys.
Guess what was just sent to me ?
Can you guess?
It is Mario's big case against me. It is his evidence against me.
Here it is

Ritchie
Guest
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1
Posted: Today at 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: The
Drama Show --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mario wrote:
Come one, come all
Come to the greatest show on earth
Where members of all ages can intaganize and rip apart of the gecko community at large
Welcome to the BOI

Sir, is this the way you garner support in your defense? You lie to your members? No one on the BOI is antagonizing or ripping apart the gecko community.
There is nothing wrong with owning geckos. I have been an awner of a couple and have been part of the gecko community. What you are telling these people is a lie....unless of course you are the only member of aforementioned community.

Quote:
Me position has been nothing but ethical. I am the one
being attacked

you chastised him in public and are now claiming he attacked you first.

Quote:
If this is the attitude and way you want to display
yourself here, then I ask you not come around. Again,
I have been more then open and you have my email.

His response to you was proffesional. But since he disagrees with you...YOu are asking him to leave.

It is nice to knw that if you disagree with an
admin... Then you will be asked to leave. Thank you
hitler

Wow !!! That is some big evidence you got against me.
No wonder you did not want to post it here. It would have definately crucified me.

....ohhhh I am so scared. Sue away buddy boy. Bring on your big lawyer and your none existent case.

 

[Mario]

It was just sent to you? I wonder who would have sent that? Only a few people would have had access to the moderators section to begin with. So where your proof? Or did you type this up? OR DID YOU HACK MY SITE!!!
After all you claim this was sent to you. Theirs only a few people that would even have access and I know who’s been online and not. So again where’s your proof? Or is this all just typed up to cover something up?

 

[HerpVenue]

It was just sent to you? I wonder who would have sent that? Only a few people would have had access to the moderators section to begin with

I hope the people who forwarded it to me can come out. Because it will show your TRUE character and how you fabricate things.

So where your proof? Or did you type this up? OR DID YOU HACK MY SITE!!!
After all you claim this was sent to you. Theirs only a few people that would even have access and I know who’s been online and not. So again where’s your proof? Or is this all just typed up to cover something up?

Hey mario,
Do you actually have the gall to say that this is not what I posted? Do you deny I posted this? How about you have Rackell come out and tell us if this is really what I posted and what you hid in your super secret forum.

Hey Mario,
see your little quote up there? Do you see how you are pretending I made this stuff up? I know now what kind of lies you are capable of. I know now what kind of stories you can fabricate. I know now the REAL truth about the Admin of Geckowhateveryoursiteis.com.

Thank you for letting me see exactly what kind of lying, coniving, story fabricating person you really are.

And may the persons who forwarded that stuff to others who forwarded it to me come and speak out.


Your honor. This guy is a LIAR and a story teller !! I hereby rest my case. The end the fat lady has sung.

SUE ME !!!!!

 

[Mario]

True character huh? What’s that questioning you on this? So far I have not made any statements, just questions. I can say this. No recent logs from the people who would have access to this section. Yet it was just sent to you? If this is true, Why are their no logs to support a mods access to the section within a recent time frame? Interesting that I have had a Trojan horse from someone of the same localized ISP as yours too very suspicious.