The next kingsnake?

[HerpVenue]

Hey Mario,
You were implying that I typed it up. To me that is denying that I actually posted it. Go ahead and back peddle all you want. Why in the world would you ask if I typed it....if you weren't trying to deny it?

Now you want to imply that I hacked into your system.
How can I do that? You said yourself that you did not open the trojan. So how can it work if it was not opened? Go ahead and back peddle..

Tell you what. Yes I said it was just sent to me. It was sent to me at 19:30 EST on 2/13/03 through the PM's. The guy who sent it to me got it e-mailed to him at 2/12/03 13:58 PST. I think that was before you tried to hide it.

So keep trying to discredit me. It won't work.

p.s. check your logs from yesterday Dummy.
Sheesh !!! and he is an Admin?

 

[HerpVenue]

Mario,
another little hint to help you out.

There are people on this site who like me. There are those who hate me. But whether they like me or hate me.....they KNOW that I am a straight shooter. They KNOW, that I would not stoop so low as to send some virus thingy. My credibility is all I have. My credibility is everything to me. I am not about to ruin it by trying some cr@p.

So if you are gonna fabricate some story. Please make it somewhat believable. And please fabricate some proof to go along with your story.

oh yeah.
I can't send out a Trojan. One I do not know where to buy one. Two, my virus checker won't let me send out any mail carrying viruses.

 

[Monte]

a hanging curve ball

My supposed profession doesn't allow me to comment on Ritchie's last paragraph - 1st point.

I think he might know . . . LOL

Sorry, I couldn't resist . . .

 

[Mario]

So because I’m an admin I know all about this?

Here’s a quote from you
“Nice of you to start fabricating SH!T though.
Your an admin. You probably know about all that proxy stuff. You can send stuff to yourself and make it look like it came from me. Even your ex-moderator explained to you how this can be done.”

Well I don’t know, you runs a website as well. You also moderate this place. You sure do seem to know quite a bit. I love how you through the “watchamacallits, bad stuff computer infectors” in their to really show some computer igornence in their. Very neat Idea for someone that runs a website as well. Kind of intresting how you talk to Steve in the background about how my ex-moderator explained how this was all done. This very intriguing. So why talk about all this unless you were up to something. Or he’s telling you how he trolled the board. Ya, he did tell me about this stuff. It was very intriguing to find out how he did it. But he sure isn’t a good explainer. I couldn’t figure it out. But hey, I forgot all about this stuff. But that’s a nice little extra bonus on how Steve trolled to COVER HIS TRACKS so their would be NO HARD CORE EVIDENCE. Keep talking. I’m just concerned though about your knowledge of his doings and not being so strait of an arrow with us.
So you mean to tell me you are a little um interested and or versed in proxys but do not know how to turn off your virus scanner s a virus could go through. Interesting. I’m glad you caught that you couldn’t send it with the scanner running. Curouse, but this learned from experience? Oh wait you wouldn’t know about that “watchamacallits” cuase you said so. As for not hacking my system your right, I also said my sites on a hosted server. So I guess my computer wouldn’t be needed. But that would been an easy way in wouldn’t of it. Hey what better way then to use my system to gain access so its my IP to right?
And since when do you buy a Trojan. You state “One I do not know where to buy one.” That’s believable. Like you really expect us to fall for that. Then I guess you buy it at the supermarket cause don’t know where you would buy one either. I really don’t. But I’m sure you know how to get one. Steve probably sure knows how to get one. He knows enough about avoiding identification. And you guys sure did have an interesting convo about this. So hey I guess it couldn’t been you, that’s impossible, cause you don’t know how to buy the Trojan or shut off your virus scanner. Cool. Your pretty good at trying to cover your tracks.
As far as my logs go (hmm, interesting you know about server logs too but not that “virus thingy”), actually I’m already on top of you. But I think you know as well as I do that you can have a different IP. Besides, I checked them today. You or your buddy wasn’t on my the forums at around I don’t know 3:27 pm as a anonymous user viewing something that was restricted to the mod section were ya. Neat little trick I guess I got to find the security hole now huh. But someone obviously well versed in computer security. You know I always heard this sain “A true hacker never tells”. Is that true? Just curouse to know. Or don’t you know anything about that sort of computer stuff. But hey I am not saying it was you. I’m still waiting for the HARDCORE EVIDNCE.
As far as credibility, you have none with me. This has to be proven. You have not showed any proof to me. But you sure show a lot of suspicion. And Im so glad someone likes you cause id hate to see you go nutty on me for being lonesome with nothing to do but attack me and look for ways to twist everything I say around. Heck you might then just get board enough with enough rage to learn how to send someone a virus thingy if that were to happen.
So if you have no credibility with me, what do you have then? I hope not a virus. That’s alright, those usually just do funny things to my computer. As long as its not that Trojan horse. I’m cool, I think.

So some guy sent you it from a PM. That’s evidence? That’s not evidence. I hope he’s your friend, cause that some guy might be trying to get you with that virus thingy from the supermarket. I think this guy tried to get me, don’t tell him, I’m not top of it with my secret agent detective ring I got with my box of Coco Puffs.

Figure it you, your credibility is a joke. Sad thing is you don’t seem to funny though. Sure hope to be the one to end this hole thing in a mockery as it started.

 

[E2MacPets]

Re: a hanging curve ball

My supposed profession doesn't allow me to comment on Ritchie's last paragraph - 1st point.

I think he might know . . . LOL

Sorry, I couldn't resist . . .

LMAO

 

[HerpVenue]

The incoherent ramblings of a man grasping for straws.

you were the one that mentioned proxies. I am not versed with them at all. But if you would like to teach me go ahead.
Thanks for letting me know that I can turn off the virus checker for the e-mail.. I thought it just automatically checked my e-mail whenever I send one. I did not know it can be turned off.....keep trying..

Yes I run a website.
I use WYSIWIG. What you see is what you get. I point and click and then upload... Then it shows up on the website.

I checked them today. You or your buddy wasn’t on my the forums at around I don’t know 3:27 pm

I ws running around trying to get home early and was also looking for my friend who was supposed to take me dancing....keep trying

I’m just concerned though about your knowledge of his doings and not being so strait of an arrow with us.

I did not know about his doings until you came and told us....and all you did was laugh. I already posted that I do not condone trolling. But it looks like you certainly do.....keep trying.

hmm, interesting you know about server logs too

One..I did not say server logs....I just said logs. Two.. hmmmm let me see. Who was it that mentioned about checking his logs? Oh it was you. I never said anything abou tlogs until you did...................keep trying

As far as credibility, you have none with me. This has to be proven. You have not showed any proof to me

Wait. Let me get this straight. You accuse me of typing up fake stuff. You accuse me of sending you a trojan. You accuse me of hacking. But I am supposed to prove myself to you? I do not think so......keep trying.

So some guy sent you it from a PM. That’s evidence?

Are you still trying to deny that I did not post that stuff?............keep reaching

Figure it you, your credibility is a joke.

Let me see. I have proven your lies. I have posted your double talk. And you want to talk about my credibility?................keep trying.

So yo say I typed that stuff. At least you insinuated it. Why are you still refusing to post my post? Because you know I am right and you are now reaching bad.

You also moderate this place. You sure do seem to know quite a bit

yeah...I press a button and it tells me people IP. I press a button and it deletes a thread or locks it, or moves it. All these buttons appear when the admin gives you the "priveledges". I did not hack them. As a matter of fact...before I got these special "powers" I had to go and ask the admin what people IPs were...I had to go and ask what people's e-mails were. If I was a hack...don't you think I would have just hacked this place and looked it up myself? I even messed up some stuff because of my lack of comuter skills. If I was a hack instead of asking the admin to fix it...don';t you think I would have just fixed it myself.? the admin fo this site can definately verify this if you need him too...........keep trying.

Mario,
I do not know what you are thinking. But the more you say the more people see just how far you are trying to graspo for straws. You say I have not proven a thing. Well you know I did not just type that stuff. So there is your proof. You say I hacked your stuff and I have not proven a thing. You are the one accusing me. So prove I did. You keep saying you have all these secret evidence locked up and you will take me to court if need be. Then take me to court. Let me remind you that your double talk and your little secret "evidence" has worked against you and not me.

As far as the watchamacallits. There is trojans, virus, worms. There are other stuff that I do not know the name too.
And buying the trojan is my way of being sarcastic.......but keep reaching.

You still have not addressed anything I have said.
My post that you were using as your big evidence....Was it as I posted or was it different?
Your big evidence that you state shows my intentions or motives... Was it as I posted or ws it different?

You are mad because you thought I would not find out what was in my post. You were using that as leverage against me. Then someone forwarded me my own post and poof your leverage is gone. Then you insinuate that I just typed the stuff up. If I typed that stuff up....then post right here and right now exactly what it was that I supposedly posted.

As the girl said.
Put up or shut up.
Let's see your version of my post. Let's see your big evidence.
You say I hacked you. Let's see your evidence. You say I sent you a virus. (how convenient for you) Let's see your evidence. You say I typed up stuff. Let's see your evidence.
Post away. Or admit your lie4s and double talk.

All you have to tell us is what time I supposedly sent you a trojan.
All you have to answer is if my post was correct or if I lied about it.
All you have to say is if I omitted some words or if I posted the whole thing. YOUR credibility is the one at stake. So are you gonna deny it or are you gonna ignore it or are you gonna lie about it?

 

[HerpVenue]

Hey Monte,
I think I just got your joke.

I lied...I can send out a trojan if you want.
Let me know your preference.

Size?
Glow in the dark?
Spermicidal lubrication?
color?
latex or the non latex?

he he he you are too funny. Thanks I needed that. I am in to much of a bad mood. I was supposed to go dancing but failed to hook up with my friend who was supposed to take me.

I can't believe this guy keeps posting just to dig himself deeper.

 

[Mario]

You have never proved I lied because I never have. You are a complete idiot.
See even in your comments you are still twisting things around. You look like the one pulling straws. Everyone sure was quite Once I started turning the tables.

So where’s your evidence it was not you? Its just a strange enough coincidence right. It’s also strange someone hacked into my site to get any information too huh. It’s real suspicious how you would suddenly get that after someone from the same isp as you which appears to be a small localized ISP sends me a virus a little while before. I also do Have logs showing someone viewed it that was not allowed access.
Here are some facts.
1. Fact: You appeared to not have the post previously.
2. Fact: Somone from the same localized ISP as the one you used suppenly sends me a Trojan/worm to obviously attempt to gain access to my system.
3. Fact: You suddenly have this post
4. Fact: My website has logged unauthorized access to the given post.
5. Fact: You claim someone has sent you this
6. Fact: There is strong evidence suggesting the post that was given to you was stolen
7. Fact: You have not proven anything to eliminate you as a suspect in any evolvement in this
8. Fact: You have not validated a proper source for this
9: Fact: You do have a motive for this
10. Fact you keep insisting I said this or that when I have only may suggestions.

You know, its clear you are look through straws ands trying to twist it around on me because I showed false doings that strongly link you to a crime. This is very common for people to do when they are guilty.
It’s sad, I finally have move witness give you the facts and then find evidence of your potential involment in miss doings. And now you say I’m pulling straws and trying to twist everything and say I said this or that. Go back and look. You keep saying you want evidence of Everything. If I haven’t provided evidence what is evidence to you? I keep asking but I’m not getting answers. Didn’t you also attack me on evening having evidence from back then as well? So you are attacking me for having any and attacking me for not having enough. You need to make up your mind.
You seem emotionally disturbed. Your defiantly a bully. I have proven so much to show motives as to why and enough to suggest wrong doings. Clearly it’s a competitive edge. Heck I didn’t even know you were a moderator until recently. And this is how you moderate? By hounding people and harassing them? Twisting their fast’s around. You seem the one to be accusing anyone. I’m just stating facts.
You know, I my need a secretary, but you need a psychologist.
I prevented my evidence. I have presented my witness. You deny my evidence. I ask over and over what’s evidence, and get no answers. You attack me for having any. And now I see strong reasons for a competitive motive to suggest why and a connection of your possible misdoing only for you to pull straws and find something else. It’s obvious there is no way to please you people. Iv’e already proven everything. You aren’t able to reasonably handle things appropriately so I’m done with you. Proved it over and over Good bye.
P.S. make sure you see somone, you need profssional help.

 

[E2MacPets]

It was me that sent Ritchie a transcript of his original post, that I originally recieved in my email yesterday.

I would forward you the same email, but then you'd just accuse me of sending you whatever plague you invent.


And unlike you, my sources aren't too "chicken****" to come forward with the truth.



You have provided absolutely no proof except your own word that any foul play has occured.

Can Rakell or your other "alibi" confirm that Ritchie hacked the server that geckonetwork is on? How about your service provider? Can they confirm this? What about your lawyers?


Show us proof, not hearsay and conjecture based on your overactive imagination.

 

[KelliH]

Mario-

You need to check yourself man, Ritchie is no idiot and calling people names like that makes the name caller look immature. I think both you and WaxWormFan need to move on. The two of you don't like each other any more, fine. While I do think there was really no reason to post this stuff on the BOI I also feel that you keep egging it on, let it go for crying out loud! Go back to your forum and help people with their gecko questions, you have a very nice forum there, I have visited it many times and liked it very much. Guys, please, forget about this childish junk and spend more time caring for your geckos, you should enjoy your hobby and not let stuff like this ruin that love.

Peace

 

[HerpVenue]

I didn’t even know you were a moderator until recently. And this is how you moderate? By hounding people and harassing them? Twisting their fast’s around.

I am not a moderator for the BOI. I am not even a "moderator" for the classifieds. I guess you missed it. I will sayi it again. I was given the "poweres" to sniff the scumbags out. So you are right...This is how I "moderatoe" by "hounding" the truth out of people.

Here are some facts.
Fact: You appeared to not have the post previously.
and I do not deny this. You are right about this.

Fact: Somone from the same localized ISP as the one you used suppenly sends me a Trojan/worm to obviously attempt to gain access to my system. Is this a fact? wow you showed us....but maybe I missed the proof. because anyone can say anything. It is like me saying FACT: You are a rapist. Just because I say fact does not make it a fact. Show us the proof. Where is the beef?

Fact: You suddenly have this post
This is true. and it was sent to me.

Fact: My website has logged unauthorized access to the given post. as aforementioned. You saying the word fact does not make it fact. Show proof.

Fact: You claim someone has sent you this
ouch you got me. How did you know someone sent me this? YOu are good.

Fact: There is strong evidence suggesting the post that was given to you was stolen
Circumstancial evidence without solid proof is not acceptable in court.....bleep ..try again.

Fact: You have not proven anything to eliminate you as a suspect in any evolvement in this
Try this on for a fact. I do not have to eliminate myself as a suspect. You made the accusations...Now prove it.

Fact: You have not validated a proper source for this
poof there you go. The post before mine. And someone else sent it to him. So your boat is real leacky......better check the moles

Fact: You do have a motive for this
What motive? Oh the fact that you lied to your members about this site attacking the Gecko community. Then you covered it up by moving it to your super secret forum....... Yup you got me.

Fact you keep insisting I said this or that when I have only may suggestions.
You made the suggestion that I faked the post. Why would you even make that suggestion unless you are trying to deny it? You know what I posted was the truth and you "suggest" that I faked it. And up until now you still can't admit that what I posted was the truth.

You know, I my need a secretary, but you need a psychologist. Wow !! You got me good. But are you sure you do not have it reversed. People are e-mailing me that you seem to have some kind of paranoia. (pppsssttt everyone is out to get you...they are all super secretly sending you a virus and spying on you. Those voices are not just in your head. They are real)

I showed false doings that strongly link you to a crime.
Sheesh... you did not show anything.
there is a difference between claiming and showing.
You claim there were false doings.
You claim it links me to a crime.
You claim there was a crime.
You have not shown proof. Where is the proof? We are still waiting for the proof. How about a screen shot of your logs? How about a screen shot of that e-mail. Note: I do not want a copy and paste because you have been proven to ba a liar. So I want a screen shot. At least they are not as easily faked.

A little lesson for you.
Just because you say the word Fact does not make things a fact.
Here is a coupe of examples.

FACT: You wear womens underwear.
FACT: YOu did not get past third grade.
FACT: It was you who posted that you like little boys.

See. None of those are true. And just because I put the wrod fact does not all of a sudden make them true. If I put the word "FACT" I better submit it with evidence.

You have not submitted any evidence. Then you want to back peddle and tell me that you never said that I fake typed a post...You only "suggested" it. Why would you even "suggest" it when you know I was telling the truth and your "suggestion" was a complete and utter lie?

And as aforementioned.....where is your proof?
If you have all this proof then why are you still here and not talking to your imagined lawyer.

 

[HerpVenue]

1. Stating that something is a fact does not make it a fact. Show us the proof.

2. Copy and paste that post of mine which is hidden in your super secret forum... That way we can see if your "suggestion" that I just typed it to cover my @ss is the truth or if you lied to cover yours..

3. Show proof of your logs.

4. show proof that I sent you a trojan.

5. Show proof that there was a crime.

6. Show proof that I am linked to aforementioned crime.


You accused me. Now show proof. Last time I checked...the burden of proof is on the accuser. Your high priced lawyer should have told you this.......................my bad. I forgot. he probably does not even exist.

 

[HerpVenue]

Everyone sure was quite Once I started turning the tables.

When did you start turning the tables? I must have missed it. Oh yeah. When you posted your ten "facts" that did not come with proof.

So where’s your evidence it was not you? Let me help you with your thinking. Let me help you see the light.

I saw you last night robbing a bank. Prove you didn't. Where is your evidence that it was not you?

you see. You can't accuse people unless you have proof.

 

[Pennebaker]

guys, Guys, GUYS!!!
This thread has escalted to a point where it is beyond ridiculous.

Steve,
i really do not see how starting this thread was in your best interest and would argue that is has multiplied your suffering. This is a matter that should have been handled privately and, if you had done so, would probably not have devolved into a gross display of immaturity and unchecked emotion.

Mario,
the only thing you have done in this thread is shoot yourself in the foot. As a fellow gecko enthusiast, i implore you to seek reason and stop before you make things worse for yourself and your website.
This thread has done nothing to establish a gecko community anywhere and i would argue that, if anything, it has driven any curious readers further away from such online groups and websites.
Speaking strictly for myself, i would say that this thread is best example i've seen yet as to why I DO NOT contribute to gecko chats and gecko communities or go out of my way to make ties with fellow gecko enthusiasts and breeders. Brainless, emotional drivel like this proves anti-social people like myself right in their assesment that social constraints and the preposterous shannanigans inside social cliques are unintelligent, undesirable and to be generally avoided.

Life is usually complicated and demanding. Why complicate one's life further by immersing oneself into a hobbyist community so much that the vicious social nature of humans inevitably turns your beloved hobby into a RIDICULOUS soap-opera?I'm with Kelli on this one. Stop hurting yourselves and each other with this useless and nearly incomprehensible drivel.

Were it not for the fact that i personally enjoy watching Ritchie shread half-baked arguements, I would say that this whole thread is completely devoid of any real value.

Please give it up! For your sakes as well as ours, turn your little soap-opera into a private matter, which is the way it should have stayed in the first place.

loren

 

[cka]

...."Life is usually complicated and demanding. Why complicate one's life further by immersing oneself into a hobbyist community so much that the vicious social nature of humans inevitably turns your beloved hobby into a RIDICULOUS soap-opera?I'm with Kelli on this one. Stop hurting yourselves and each other with this useless and nearly incomprehensible drivel..."

Everyone should keep this thought in the back of their mind...very thoughtful post, loren

 

[E2MacPets]

Loren, I respect your wisdom and most certainly will take your advice to heart.

However, this thread really has not added in the slightest bit to my suffering. In fact I am here for the same reason you are, only with some personal interest to add to its amusement value.

And unfortunately, I could not handle this privately because of the way Mario chose to handle things- i.e. bashing me openly, giving me time to see what he wrote, and then blocking all pathways from rebuttal. None the less, I had cut my losses then and there. I came here to rant, and this post should have been in Sound Off rather than the kingsnake forum, but I found it more appropriate to link to kingsnake.

I am sorry it became an issue where so many people became passionately involved. I never wanted that.

It is unfortunate that my rantings have prompted baseless, paranoid conspiracy theories attacking members here.

I am not suffering, in the least.
And I do find it amusing that the point of my rant has been proven in spades.

 

[BrianB]

I am not suffering, in the least.

I think you're wrong. Your reputation is suffering. Perhaps not as much as Mario's, but airing dirty laundry -- especially of this juvenile of a nature -- doesn't help one's reputation. You've admitted to spamming other gecko boards (to what end? Sheesh, they're GECKO boards) for one thing, and that's behavior that most people consider rather adolescent.

Venting can be a good thing from time to time, but I think you chose the wrong venue.

 

[Uroplatus]

WOW..... Deja Vu!!!! All i can say.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Mario, you really need to follow Kelli's advice.

Fact- The person that you are disparaging most with your posts with is actually yourself.
Fact- Adelphia is a multi-state ISP, serving a total of 11 states east of the Mississippi. Unless it came from Ritchie's IP address (which, by the way, is static), what ISP it came from is meaningless.
Fact- At first you said it was a Trojan you were sent. Now it is either a trojan or a worm. Which is it? Actually, let's be even more specific- which Trojan or worm was it that you were allegedly sent?
Fact- You have accused Ritchie of multiple felonies, yet have no tangible evidence to support said accusations. For someone who has claimed that they were libeled (not slandered), you're treading in dangerous legal waters.
Fact- I know Ritchie well enough to know that he's not so petty as to throw away his career over something so petty. Quite frankly Mario, you're not worth it. This is no disrespect towards you... there isn't a single person that I can think of that's worth it.
Fact- I know Kelli well enough to accept her word that you have a rather nice site, although I haven't visited it myself. However, your earlier claim that your site is "competition" for faunaclassifieds is laughable. This is not to say that your site is, in some way, inferior. It is simply because the two sites so differ in scope and content as to make them incomparable. It would be akin to comparing an Italian restaraunt to an Italian bakery... while they have one or two items in common, each caters to a different market.

Now, we've already wasted 14 pages with tit for tat chest thumping, baseless accusations, conspiracy theories, and God knows other pseudoreasoning. Does it really need to continue?

 

[royalgoldreps]

Quote: Mario

"It was just sent to you? I wonder who would have sent that? Only a few people would have had access to the moderators section to begin with. So where your proof? Or did you type this up? OR DID YOU HACK MY SITE!!!
After all you claim this was sent to you. Theirs only a few people that would even have access and I know who’s been online and not. So again where’s your proof? Or is this all just typed up to cover something up?
__________________
Mario Stinso"

Mario, why do you think anyone HAD to hack your site to get to some of the information referred to in Richies posts?

Does everyone really care where the information that Richie is being accuse of hacking really came from? I mean REALLY care? I mean REALLY came from?

If it really matters all that much and will help clear some things up, WWF has already admitted that he sent it to Richie. OK, that means that WWF got is some where, right?

Does everyone really care where the information that WWF sent to Richie really came from? I mean REALLY care? I mean REALLY came from?

It came from Mario's site. But that is obvious. Ah, but when and where on Mario's site and from WHOM did WWF get it from since he was banned. Oh my, did WWF hack the site? Don't think so.

You see, that information was initially posted in a PUBLIC forum, Genereal Chat to be specific. How else was he going to be able to garner the support of his forum members? How else was I able to post my reply to his message, since I was not a moderator at the time. How else was Richie able to post his supportive reply to my post (Thanks Richie) since he was not a moderator? (Don't EVEN go there Mario!)

When I saw Richie's post I copied and pasted it from the PUBLIC forum and sent it to WWF since he was banned from the site. I did this on 2/12 BEFORE it was locked away in some secret, forbidden lair and AFTER my user name was locked for making that post so I could not "edit" it. I know that happened because I went back to see if there was any other posting on the thread. But it was GONE. Immediately wondered WHY he hid it.

I can assume, but you know what happens when one assumes too much?

Steven Feil
Royal Gold Reptiles
RGR
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