Bad Guy The Serpentarium- Lodi, Ca

[Beyond GenetiX]

I know it's leaving soon but had to post my dealings, he wondered why I was protecting myself so. The previous emails were pics and videos of the snakes in question.

 

[Beyond GenetiX]

At no point did I ask for "friends and family", I did ask for "no fees" because he'd already offered 200.00 less. He is correct, he's well known in the industry. I wasn't going to ship first and have him file bankruptcy. I work next to a FedEx hub and all my shipments go there, especially when it's freezing out. He can get lavender false water cobras elsewhere .

 

[TheSerpentarium]

Thanks for posting this. This shows how willing I was to take all the risk and you not willing to do anything but show me a couple of reviews on this website that you moderate (i.e. have control over posts of). It also shows your malicious intent by trying to highlight something that happened over a decade ago, that which I did nothing wrong. Why not attach this to the positive review we have?

Bottom line, we could've easily had a deal, if you simply provided some type of assurance that I would not be scammed out of thousands of dollars. This is all anyone would expect. You're the one who loos bad here.

Now lets see if you abuse your power on this site and remove my reply.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

At no point did I ask for "friends and family",

That's the only way to send payment with "no fees". Unless you meant something else that you did not specify.

He is correct, he's well known in the industry. I wasn't going to ship first and have him file bankruptcy.

I own multiple retail stores and various companies. Filing bankruptcy and losing everything over two snakes? This shows your mentality and the level of your intelligence.

He can get lavender false water cobras elsewhere .

Do you think you're the only person with these snakes?

Again, you are the only one who looks bad here. Anyone can see that I was trying to get simple assurance that I would not be scammed and you were not willing to provide anything but a couple of reviews on a site that you moderate.

And now you post this malicious reply trying to stir things up. This further shows your true character. What a great person you are to deal with.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Thanks for posting this. This shows how willing I was to take all the risk and you not willing to do anything but show me a couple of reviews on this website that you moderate (i.e. have control over posts of). It also shows your malicious intent by trying to highlight something that happened over a decade ago, that which I did nothing wrong. Why not attach this to the positive review we have?

Bottom line, we could've easily had a deal, if you simply provided some type of assurance that I would not be scammed out of thousands of dollars. This is all anyone would expect. You're the one who loos bad here.

Now lets see if you abuse your power on this site and remove my reply.

Your understanding of our operational role here is weak if you think that an abuse of power would be so simple. It would come with greater consequences for the person who was entrusted with the task of moderation duties. Betraying the confidence of the boss would be a huge error IMO.

While I understand the desire to protect yourself, the ID request is a bit much because you are not in a trusted role in the context of the situation. Additionally, you have some poor history behind you. Lots of people own and run lots of things and still are willing to screw people over for even minor benefits. Shipping to a FedEx facility, for some people in some situations, can be more convenient and/or safer for the animals. It is invariably safer for animals in shipments coming to me and I select that despite the personal inconveniences of that. It appears that in Jason's case there is security, convenience, and safety as benefits to having it shipped to his requested local facility,

Regarding fees if using PayPal, a little math can allow a person to calculate the fee coverage to within a dollar. One could also simply use another payment method.

Who made first offer of the trade?

 

[TheSerpentarium]

Your understanding of our operational role here is weak if you think that an abuse of power would be so simple. It would come with greater consequences for the person who was entrusted with the task of moderation duties. Betraying the confidence of the boss would be a huge error IMO.

Great to hear!

While I understand the desire to protect yourself, the ID request is a bit much because you are not in a trusted role in the context of the situation. Additionally, you have some poor history behind you. Lots of people own and run lots of things and still are willing to screw people over for even minor benefits. Shipping to a FedEx facility, for some people in some situations, can be more convenient and/or safer for the animals. It is invariably safer for animals in shipments coming to me and I select that despite the personal inconveniences of that. It appears that in Jason's case there is security, convenience, and safety as benefits to having it shipped to his requested local facility,

He would not provide ANY assurance that would protect me other than a couple of reviews here, for which he moderates.

I have an impeccable history. This single, misaligned thread was taken out of proportion 11 years ago and is meaningless. I did nothing wring and lost much more than the other person for what happened. Nothing was intentional and the other party involved even stated there was no issue. He and I still do business to this day.

Regarding fees if using PayPal, a little math can allow a person to calculate the fee coverage to within a dollar. One could also simply use another payment method.

There are many "could've" options, but we didn't get that far in the deal. He just lined up the deal so that he would have 100% protection and I would have 0% protection.

Who made first offer of the trade?

I believe I did. But don't see how that is relevant.

 

[Beyond GenetiX]

He would not provide ANY assurance that would protect me other than a couple of reviews here, for which he moderates.

I have been a "moderator" here less than six months, which is irrelevant to my trader ratings (which I think I've received only 2 in the 6 months as moderator) or my Boi posts. The fact that I've been here since only 2014 using the same account that I originally created and have the trader rating that I have, should tell you something. I did change my user name (which is completely aloud) because of the reputation I had already built.

After the first time you said you need to know where to come for me, I let it go but the second psssh it's over.

 

[elena]

In my opinion, this situation does not warrant a "bad guy" for either party. A trade was discussed, one party wanted more personal information than the other party was willing to provide, so the trade did not happen. Should be a "no harm, no foul" situation. I don't think Mr. Coral was out of line in asking for the information, nor do I think that Mr. Taylor was out of line in declining to provide it.

 

[Phil Bradley]

I'm not sure this should be included in the BOI bad guy hall of fame but it does show a certain level of paranoia from Robert that I try and avoid in my own sales and trades. Nobody wants the get ripped off, and a certain level of precaution should be taken, but I'm never sending someone that level of personal information, to me it is a bit more intrusive than I am willing to deal with

 

[TheSerpentarium]

After the first time you said you need to know where to come for me, I let it go but the second psssh it's over.

I never said that. I said I would be able to find you, if needed. Be sure to quote me properly instead of twisting my words.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

In my opinion, this situation does not warrant a "bad guy" for either party. A trade was discussed, one party wanted more personal information than the other party was willing to provide, so the trade did not happen. Should be a "no harm, no foul" situation. I don't think Mr. Coral was out of line in asking for the information, nor do I think that Mr. Taylor was out of line in declining to provide it.

Exactly. Jason posting this here just shows his true character, so I'm glad he posted it.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

I'm not sure this should be included in the BOI bad guy hall of fame but it does show a certain level of paranoia from Robert that I try and avoid in my own sales and trades. Nobody wants the get ripped off, and a certain level of precaution should be taken, but I'm never sending someone that level of personal information, to me it is a bit more intrusive than I am willing to deal with

I've been ripped off one too many times. Honest people have no problem providing an ID. It's asked of you anytime you pay for something in person using a credit card. I would've taken ANYTHING he was willing to offer to provide SOME type of assurance, but he would not give anything whatsoever. And so the deal was not made. No big deal.

But now he throws this on here and makes it a bigger deal than necessary. His ultimate intent is obvious to anyone who reads this.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

Here's PROOF that this "bad guy" post was never valid in the first place.

Even after 11 years since this post was made, Bill and I are STILL doing business together.

If Fauna truly takes the BOI seriously - in being accurate, fair, and honest - then how about correcting this "bad guy" post once and for all(?).

 

[Lucille]

If Fauna truly takes the BOI seriously - in being accurate, fair, and honest - then how about correcting this "bad guy" post once and for all(?).

For one thing, you have seen that characterizations can change over time, Fauna is not in the business of being judge and jury and proclaiming for the eons who is right and who is wrong.
I think you misunderstand the value of the BOI. It is here so that each party can present their point of view. The readers decide who they believe about the presented information to make informed choices in buying or selling. As we have seen, whether someone is a good guy or a bad guy is a matter of perspective and can change over time. A fake good guy or bad guy thread is usually seen though after questions and discussion, but is valuable nonetheless to show how the parties have behaved and should be left in place for that purpose.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

For one thing, you have seen that characterizations can change over time, Fauna is not in the business of being judge and jury and proclaiming for the eons who is right and who is wrong.
I think you misunderstand the value of the BOI. It is here so that each party can present their point of view. The readers decide who they believe about the presented information to make informed choices in buying or selling. As we have seen, whether someone is a good guy or a bad guy is a matter of perspective and can change over time. A fake good guy or bad guy thread is usually seen though after questions and discussion, but is valuable nonetheless to show how the parties have behaved and should be left in place for that purpose.

Fair enough.

 

[Beyond GenetiX]

Exactly. Jason posting this here just shows his true character, so I'm glad he posted it.

I asked you “do you use faunaclassifieds”, that answer was ignored. So after I googled “Robert Coral faunaclassifieds boi” this was the only thread on the first page, I didn’t get to the second page. If you search “Robert coral” on faunaclassifieds this is one of three that come up and the other were about the serpentarium buy out, however this is the first to pop up. I gave you over 100 references in faunaclassified members and would have given more if needed. Yet what did you offer me, no references, no I.d., no assurances. Be my guest and search google for “Robert coral faunaclassifieds boi”, to see what comes up. Had you said “yes I use faunaclassifieds and here is my boi”, would have save me the trouble of picking the first one that popped up.

Any post that are blacked out are moderator forums, I did leave one portion showing that would show that it wasn’t a boi.

In the end, I am nobody to you and the same of you to me, I offered up references, received none in return and I posted my experience on the first thread I found. When I said “do you use faunaclassifieds” you could have easily sent me a link.

 

[Beyond GenetiX]

Here's PROOF that this "bad guy" post was never valid in the first place.

Even after 11 years since this post was made, Bill and I are STILL doing business together.

If Fauna truly takes the BOI seriously - in being accurate, fair, and honest - then how about correcting this "bad guy" post once and for all(?).

Again, you are manipulating the words, that’s not even what the original bad guy thread was about. To me it seems like a big company taking advantage of a small guy, is what this thread is about originally. I started reading this thread after you sent me the last email and I seen how you tried to manipulate everything like it was my fault in our emails, things started to sound familiar. The best predictor of the future is the past, just allowing the information to be seen. I had no part in the derailment of this thread years ago, or are you now saying it is about the serpentarium buy out?

I copy/pasted your bullet points from your last email

- I'm known in the industry you are not.I think this is wrong
- You weren't willing to ship first, I was. You supplied no references, no I.d., you were the one asking to trade, you reached out to me. Industry standard, the person asking for the trade typically ships first.
- You would only accept Friends & Family for the payment, which offers me zero protection. Again, not true. I didn’t want to absorb the fees after you offered 200.00 less than what I had already quoted you.
- You wouldn't show ID. You got me here, when someone orders something from you do you show your I.d.
- You wouldn't allow me to ship to your house or business, only a hub.I have no problem showing you my past shipping history, it’s not uncommon for someone to have animals shipped to a hub and not there home or business.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

I asked you “do you use faunaclassifieds”, that answer was ignored. So after I googled “Robert Coral faunaclassifieds boi” this was the only thread on the first page, I didn’t get to the second page. If you search “Robert coral” on faunaclassifieds this is one of three that come up and the other were about the serpentarium buy out, however this is the first to pop up. I gave you over 100 references in faunaclassified members and would have given more if needed. Yet what did you offer me, no references, no I.d., no assurances. Be my guest and search google for “Robert coral faunaclassifieds boi”, to see what comes up. Had you said “yes I use faunaclassifieds and here is my boi”, would have save me the trouble of picking the first one that popped up.

Any post that are blacked out are moderator forums, I did leave one portion showing that would show that it wasn’t a boi.

In the end, I am nobody to you and the same of you to me, I offered up references, received none in return and I posted my experience on the first thread I found. When I said “do you use faunaclassifieds” you could have easily sent me a link.

Everybody who reads this response from you, and reads the email conversation we had, can judge each of our characters for themselves.

 

[TheSerpentarium]

Again, you are manipulating the words, that’s not even what the original bad guy thread was about. To me it seems like a big company taking advantage of a small guy, is what this thread is about originally. I started reading this thread after you sent me the last email and I seen how you tried to manipulate everything like it was my fault in our emails, things started to sound familiar. The best predictor of the future is the past, just allowing the information to be seen. I had no part in the derailment of this thread years ago, or are you now saying it is about the serpentarium buy out?

I copy/pasted your bullet points from your last email

- I'm known in the industry you are not.I think this is wrong People may not know me by name, but they sure know and use all of the reptile companies I own.
- You weren't willing to ship first, I was. You supplied no references, no I.d., you were the one asking to trade, you reached out to me. Industry standard, the person asking for the trade typically ships first. I offered you much more than ID. I told you all the businesses I own and 6 different retail stores you could find me at. You offered zero assurance.
- You would only accept Friends & Family for the payment, which offers me zero protection. Again, not true. I didn’t want to absorb the fees after you offered 200.00 less than what I had already quoted you. It's called negotiating.
- You wouldn't show ID. You got me here, when someone orders something from you do you show your I.d. If needed, yes.
- You wouldn't allow me to ship to your house or business, only a hub.I have no problem showing you my past shipping history, it’s not uncommon for someone to have animals shipped to a hub and not there home or business. This was just one of many things that made me not trust you. Again, zero assurance I would get my end of the deal after I shipped first.

You're continuing to drag this out and it's unnecessary. If you want to do the deal, let's do it. If not, then no big deal.

I already said I would ship first and take the risk. You're not willing to take any risk at all. We've established that.

 

[Lucille]

At no point did I ask for "friends and family", I did ask for "no fees" because he'd already offered 200.00 less.

I think this is an important distinction. To me, unless you are f&f, using f&f has all sorts of negative connotations. A buyer can arrange for no fees by using another payment method.



As far as the ID thing, I personally don't think it is out of line in general to ask for someone's ID in a transaction. In this day and age though there is a lot of ID theft going on, and you know if you've read the BOI for over 5 minutes that there are scammers uninterested in reptiles who may be interested in harvesting IDs.

What, to you two, is a good compromise?