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THE SNAKE PIT WAS BURGLARIZED *AGAIN* LAST NIGHT!!

There is one major item in this thread that has never been accounted for.

Neil, you say, that back in the 70's, you spent over a year in the joint. Okay, maybe your story varied; first it was a couple of months, then it jumped to a year.

Now, answer me this: who goes to the can for over 365 days for carrying a doobie? That does not sound right. What were your priors? Or was your supposed lonely spliff, more like a kilo of cocaine?

Send Clarence Darrow on here to account for that...

Sincerely,

Gino (Beniquez) From Da Bronx
 
As far as Neil's arrest , and I am sure PT will attest to this
The law varies from state to state on drug charges
hell, here in Ann Arbor , it is a 50 dollar fine on one side of the street and on the other side you go to jail
It also depends on quantity of the substance and the circunstances involved, no I am not defending Neil
Mr. Townes...I have a question
if some-one said what could have happened if youwould have done that[drinking through the straw thing] does that constitute a threat, now correct me if I am wrong, but isn't saying something like..I am going to make you drink through a straw..isn't that a threat???
 
I spoke to the Detective this morning....he asked me to keep his name out of this thread! He is NOT interested in any slander or libel suits...he's NOT interested in any allegations made by Dave about Insurance Fraud, or any other nonsense....ALL he is interested in is finding the person or persons responsible for my burglaries....
Detective....forgive me for getting you involved in this fiasco....Neil
 
Hey Ritchie,
In your Quote from Neil

"When I found out what Tom had put in that report (that's IF a report was EVER made??)...I wouldn't give him the right time of day, let alone $700!!"

How do you construe that as Neil saying that he was a suspect. You're letting your own assumptions get in the way.

People, including the webslave are questioning the PI's worth, but you're basing a lot on what he has to say. GET SOME FACTS FIRST. Cold hard facts, then go after someone. If you can't, then you have no business slinging mud and half truths.  

As far as a double standard goes, I can't tell whether Neil or Dave is telling the truth. I don't think anyone can. But you've already made up your mind and have chosen to go after Neil. From where I sit it's impossible to see who's in the right, how can you be so sure?  



And lastly, how low can you sink as to start insinuating there is an intimate relationship between Neil and Angie. Got any proof of that? If not, lay off it. Even if such a relationship did exist, what business is it of anybody's.

You like to portray yourself as a paragon of virtue, a noble crusader after the bad guys. If that's what you want to be, you are going to have to set the bar for your ethical standards a little higher. Otherwise you're no better than the people you say you detest.

And before you say that I'm a close friend of Neil out to defend him at any cost let me state that I don't know him from a hole in the wall. I live in Canada and very much doubt I will ever meet him. I just don't like whats happened here. It has all the appearance of a lynch mob. I thought in the good Old U.S of A you were innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, not the court of public opinion.
 
Ross Buskard

Ross Buskard
 
You are to funny,I spoke with the Det. At 8:30 am today and he was pissed off because you lied about him talking to Julie and Me and he said he was going to tell you to fix it,Guess I will have to call him back.On a lighter note,He (the det.) said that he would testify that Neil lied and used his name to commit libel against me,that he never talked to me or told Neil that he did,isn't that more what he told you Neil?

Florida insurance commission: Tallahaase Fl.
                                       1.800.378.0445

I gave them names and numbers plus the proof and this web site addy.they are very interested in you Neil.Guess your attorney was wrong again.
 
Well,

John Reese, you asked for the proof that Neil was lying.  I can only point you to the numerous times that he said he absolutely did file a report; and then, when pressed about it, how he said "so what if I didn't?"  He then says "see I told you so" once the numbers were brought to light.  Now, you may be willing to accept his "I forgot that I wasn't a liar" routine, but I find myself to be a bit more skeptical than that.

John, you also said that I should "lighten up" a bit.  You may very well be right.  We "type A, aggressive/aggressive personalities are often uptight.  However, in this case I believe that I am justified somewhat.  I stood up for Neil, and when I simply asked him for some clarification on his postings, I got the run-around.  I when I pressed, I became one of the dreaded enemies.  When I refused to be put off, I became a blood-luster.  When I suggested that Neil was less than forthright in his assertions about the police reports, I was asked to appologize by Neil's attorney.  When I restated what I have always said, the attorney was good enough to say he "stand corrected."

Is there no proof?  Well, there is some proof (circumstantial proof is completely valid; people go to jail because of nothing else ALL THE TIME), but I would like to see documentation of it.  That is why I have always focused on the police reports.  Neil can't have it both ways.  Do we really think his memory is so bad that he can say he has the reports in his hands when he obviously did not and it was not an out and out lie?  What, he forgot that he was not telling the truth when he said he had them in his hand?

Dog bites me once . . .you know the rest.  Proof is in the eye of the reader.  I have all I need to know that Neil's memory problems are so bad that I will never do business with him on any level.  You'll have to decide for yourself.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When I found out what Tom had put in that report (that's IF a report was EVER made??)...I wouldn't give him the right time of day, let alone $700!!"

How do you construe that as Neil saying that he was a suspect. You're letting your own assumptions get in the way</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

fINE WHATEVER...
Did you miss the post where Neil admited that his father told him the PI report (if one exists) would not be favorable to him?

do you want me to find that and quote that?
Ask Neil why he decided not to pay the PI himself?
Ask Neil why he decided to hire his own pi?

Then post it here.

He posted on here for us "not to be sheep"
He said we needed to think on our own.
So I decided to think on my own...Then he e-mailed me saying yes he did expect me to believe him blindly....Do you want me to quote that too?  I just love quoteing.

More double standars.  If we believe Dave...we are sheep.
But yet he asks me to follow him blindly.....more double standards
 
On this one, I just am wondering...

Neil spoke to the Detective and was told something...

Dave retorts saying HE spoke to the Detective and was told something else...

He said...He said(no she involved)...

No one knows what was actually said...

The cycle continues.  

And I am just curious about THIS(among MANY other things)...

What kind of police department assigns a robbery case to a detective whom they know is going on vacation?  And if they knew this detective was going to be unavailable to work on the case(for how long now, over a week is it?), why not assign it to ANOTHER detective who is actually going to be around to do some detective work?  I could be wrong, but in a city as large as Tampa, there would be more than one detective in the department who could handle a robbery case, wouldn't there?  If that is the case, it sounds to me at least that the TPD isn't taking this particular issue all THAT seriously.  There is a HUGE window now for those who committed the crime to cover up their tracks, destroy evidence, etc, etc...

And as far as Mr. Crowley goes...What if ANY report has been done?  It seems to be the focus of many arguments here that attempt to incriminate Neil, but with everyone talking about it here that has never seen it(assuming it exists in the first place), and now with Mr. Crowley appearing to have ducked and/or covered, isn't anyone who attempts to use that report as the cornerstone of their arguments against Neil kind of talking out of their respective a$$es?  Please, I hope noone gets super offended(a little offended is okay <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ), but that is just how I view all the PI report talk.

Really in my book, there seem to be two parties who have definitely dropped the ball on this case(at least in my perspective, and mine only)...
1. Tom Crowley, PI.  Do I need to go into it?
2. Tampa Police Department.  At least from what I have seen of their involvement from postings in this thread, it just doesn't seem they care all that much about solving this case quickly.  

Anyway, my two cents, don't know if this post will stay as it might not be considered relavant.  I just hope for everyone's sake this all gets sorted out.  Neil, good luck on finding who jacked the store.
 
Ritchie,
You've conviniently left out your attacks on Angie. What was that about? Why drag her into this and make sly, unfounded accusations about her. I'll get that quote to if you want. It's pretty fun playing this game isn't it. And pretty easy too. You seem to know an awful lot that you're not letting on to with all your veiled references. Did you have soomething to do with this??  Not that I believe that but it illustrates my point. It's pretty easy to play armchair sleuth and in the process ruin a man's good name. As I've said before, if you or anyone else has anything concrete to post do so. Otherwise all this is, is a circle of old ladies engaged in titilating gossip. And that goes for posting anything about Dave Lawsion as well. I'm tired of seeng his criminal record dragged out every time someone wants to discredit him.

Ross Buskard
 
welp you are right Rob.
The existance of a PI report has not been proven to exist.

Yet Neil found it necessary  to go ahead and hire his own PI.

Makes me think...what the heck was my money for?
While it is true he didn't ask for it....I really don't see anywhere where he refused it either.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/boi/boi.cgi//0/43855


It just pisses me off to high heaven that I gave money for a PI...and just because the Pi did not accuse whoever Neil wanted him to accuse.....he goes out and  hires his own.



Roscoe..conveniently lef t out my attacks on Angie?
Where is that?  I said the girl is Hot !!  Is that an attack?

As aforementioned...but I guess I have to spell it out.  The Bill and Monica comment was meant to portray how weird Neil's reaction was.  Perhaps you trusting Neil to blindly....Because You saw an attack that was not there.
Better read again...And better read the name of whoever posted that "attack" on Angie
And you tell me to get facts before I post?  sheesh
 
Nice try Ritchie,

In response to another post about a connection between angie and Neil you wrote


"Also I made a comment to Neil that Angie was kinda hot..And Neil replied right away that there was nothing going on between him and Angie.  Of course I never insinuated such.  All I know is his reply came from left field somewhere..  It would be like me telling Bill Clinton that Monica Lewinsky Has Nice Lips.....Then Bill coming out of left feild saying  "I never felt those lips around my ___"

Yeah right, no veiled references their. What are we, in grade school still. You should seek employment as a spin doctor. At least be man enough to admit what you were trying to get at.

Ross Buskard
 
Personally I am very anxious to read what Mr. Gubitz has to say to shed some light on this mess. I thought he would be posting after his return from vacation. I think he probably knows a lot more about this mess than anyone, including Neil, because it sounds like some people do not want to talk to Neil.
Neil, When can we expect to hear from your father?
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> You're letting your own assumptions get in the way.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  Me saying Angie is Hot is not an attack.  I do not know what that means where you are from.  But around here, being HOT !! is good.

If you think that I meant there is something between the two...then I apologize.
If someone misconstrues my  comparison -- then I HUMBLY apologize

If you read the thread before mine..It was the other guy who started that rumor.</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> The facts indicate that Neil possibly really knows the culprit, but for whatever reasons is protecting this person.  So let's answer the question of who done it with another question or two.

As many times as Neil has posted over the years, what is his marital status?  Anyone?  Is his relationship with Angie anything other than employer/employee? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I just told him how weird Neil's reaction was.  He had a guilty reaction.  Just Like Bill would have had a guilty reaction.  I was comparing his reaction to Bill Clinton's guilty reaction.  THAT is what I meant by that.  Neil told me nothing was going on... Fine I believe him.  But he still had that guilty/weird reaction.  As if he was on the defenseive.  But then again...the spoken word can differ tremendously to the written/typed word.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At least be man enough to admit what you were trying to get at.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  His weird reaction is what I was trying to get at.  I just threw in a puzzle pice that could be totally important....or it might just be useless background.

I am going away....  But if someone mentions my name... I reserve the right to come back

See ya.


Angie did not do it............Neil swears she didn't
Dave didn't do it either.....Because Neil also swore he didn't

and yes I still think she is a hottie.....that is with and without my glasses/contacts
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">paragon of virtue, a noble crusader after the bad guys</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

You said it I didn't

I do not portray myself as anything other than myself.

To tell you the truth.... I think I am a big Jerk.  I think I need to be nicer to people.  Because I bet if we were all to meet...I would like everyone.  As a matter of fact...everyone who actually meets me likes me and me likewise.

So No I am not some noble crusader.  I am just little o'le me.

But thanks for even entertaining the thought
 
Ritchie, that’s pretty weak.  I used to think that you were one of the good guys, but with the last few posts you’ve sunk down to the same depths as those you say you despise by trying to weasel your way out of what you wrote.  

My last word on this subject(unless I change my mind). This board is supposed to be about good and bad experiences with the buying and selling of reptiles and their related supplies. If someone says, “Hey I got ripped off in a trade by so and so”,  In  my mind that’s OK. This board is not equipped to handle a criminal investigation.  No facts have emerged from this thread. All it’s deteriorated in to is a giant gossip mill. Neil, whatever his faults are, hasn’t been charged with shorting someone on a purchase or trade. What he’s being accused of is trying to extort money from the insurance companies. I don’t think this board can tackle that issue and do it justice. In my opinion he’s used incredibly bad judgement in trying to defend himself, but that doesn’t necessarily make him a criminal.  Can anyone who’s posted here provide any sort of evidence that would lead to his arrest and trial in a court of law? If anyone has such evidence they should do the right thing and go to the authorities now. If not it’s all just blowing smoke up their ###. I haven’t met anyone yet that can solve a case by sitting in behind a computer terminal and typing.  

Ross Buskard
 
Mr. Jolly,
Rest assured, I've known Angie for about 2 years or so and I can tell you 150% that she has *nothing* to do with Neil except strictly an employee/employer relationship. She doesn't post because she has no access to a computer, and I'm sure once she hears about this post she's not at all going to be real happy about it.

Neil - seeing as Angie can't currently defend herself, would you like to at least clear up this subject??
 
Angie has been my manager for about 2-1/2 years now....We have NEVER had an intimate repationship (that I can remember, anyway)! She is probably the most HONEST person I know! There is NO WAY I suspect her in ANY of these burglaries!
Now LAY OFF Angie! You got a problem?? You deal with ME!!....Neil
 
Darin,

You bring up excellent points. I appreciate your comments.

I didn't want to do this, but I feel the time has come.
I am going to take a side here. My side. For these are my feelings. If I burn bridges, so be it.

1. I think Neil is lying. To a point.
2. I think Dave is lying. To a point.
3. I think both Dave and Neil have intentionally deceived us. To a point.
4. Both Dave and Neil have lost all credibility with me.
5. Something is definitely fishy here.
6. I believe as a member of the reptile community, that I deserve the TRUTH.

I am basing points #1-5 on what I have read in this thread only. I do not know nor have I dealt with Neil or Dave personally.

To clarify, my criminal record is by no means squeaky clean. Yet I was given a second chance in life. I took it and ran. As far as Neil and Dave's past is concerned, it is just that. Their past. I base my opinions on what I see and read in this thread. And how each side is presented. I am not a lamb and I do not follow blindly. I have given both sides equal opportunity to present their case in an responsible and dignified manner. In return I/we have only received innuendo, half-truths, backpedalling, and personal attacks. I received a message saying something along the lines of "There's a bad wind blowing out of Florida". I didn't at the time, but I now understand the message behind that statement. Take a look at what this situation has become. Each and everyone of us is now defending ourselves for our thoughts and opinions. It's bad enough to come this in the first place. But to now have to explain ourselves, is just too much. Everyone has their own personal viewpoint. And they should be allowed to state it without defending themselves. The only explaining that needs to and should be done here is by the protagonists themselves. Hey, I'm just as guilty. I've questioned other posters' comments. And it doesn't sit well with me that I have. What's done is done.

The fact is, someone IS GUILTY. Plain and simple. Who? I don't know. I have no solid facts, evidence, or proof to formulate that decision yet. Though I do know all of us have been lied to and deceived here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. If you want to judge me for my thoughts, go right ahead. That is your right. But don't sit and pass judgement without expecting to be judged yourself. I want to know the truth here. That is it. Though I may disagree, I respect everyone here's opinion and welcome their input.The gist of this post is this:
We have all lost sight of what is important here. The truth.

This longwinded post is for Tom McCarthy. I had to stay true to form. I know- cheap shot. But it's all in good humor and fun. I harbor no ill will towards you Tom.  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
 
sheesh.....I will say it again...
I have nothing against Hottie

Neil said there is nothing between them...and I believe him.

I apologized for not making myself clear.  What the hell more do you want?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also I made a comment to Neil that Angie was kinda hot..And Neil replied right away that there was nothing going on between him and Angie.  Of course I never insinuated such.  All I know is his reply came from left field somewhere..  It would be like me telling Bill Clinton that Monica Lewinsky Has Nice Lips.....Then Bill coming out of left feild saying  "I never felt those lips around my ___</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

there it is in my own words.. I NEVER insinuated such.
His reply came from left field.
I was talking about  his reaction/reply.
Where did I say they had something going on?
Can you quote that?  My statements were about Neil's reply/reaction....NOT that they were having an affair or whatever.

You said I was "Reaching" with that comment Neil made about "when he learned what tom wrote  on the report"...Look the words "tom wrote on the report exists."

The words" Neil and Angie are having a relationship does not exist in my post"  at least until now.

You are mad because you just realized I was right.  You know it is the other guy who started that rumor..not me.

to make it clear
I do not know if there is anything going on with Neil and Angie... He says no and frankly I believe him.. I just found his behavior rather odd.  But If we find out they are having a relationship....Welp my props would go to neil.  Cause as aforementioned she is a hottie.

But it is okay.  You defend whom you want.  After all you did not contribute any money..so you do not see it as a slap in the face when he goes off and hires a different PI
 
OK,I will point out another "BOLD FACE LIE" that Neil told.Does everyone remember this post from Neil's e-mail?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, things are looking up a little....I jst got a call from Det. Bob Cole, who's in charge of my case....he just told me that he spoke to Julie and Dave and he DOESN'T believe them!! All they have are a couple of pictures of some of my snakes, which I was told that they took clandestine-style! And they have some report from a vet who says that my snake was dead BEFORE it was stolen!! THAT I gotta see!! Julie said that
HER OPINIONS came from what she heard everyone else say?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> What the hell is that?? She is going to get a lesson in the law VERY SOON!
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I posted that we have never talked to a Det. and I would get to the bottom of it.I call t.p.d. and talked to a Sargeant Diez and was told the Det. Cole would get in touch with Gubitz first  the Morning og the 28 (today) The Det. Called me first thing and told me he would get ahold of Gubitz and tell him Not to use his name (Cole's) to commit libel against me and he would go on the stand and testify that he (Cole) did not question me and or Julie (because he has no reason to) and that he DID NOT tell gubitz that he did. so this morning Neil get on here and post:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I spoke to the Detective this morning....he asked me to keep his name out of this thread! He is NOT interested in any slander or libel suits</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Now my question to everyone is this,If what Neil posted was true (about me being questioned by him )Then  WHY  did the Detective tell Neil to
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">keep his name out of this thread</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
or better yet why did the Detective call Neil at all about this if it were true.

Now,Neil why don't you post what the Detective really told you or do I need to call him again to tell him that you did not post a retraction but rather implied that what you said was true.The ball is in your court.

Oh,Mr. Gubitz is in Europe and will not be back till at the earliest the end of net week.Maybe daddy don't tell Neil everything that he says to other people .
 
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