This is just unbelievable to me..

[coyote]

Now, bear in mind, my mother is one of these people who trains dogs, KNOWS dog behavior/health, and is just obsessed with her breeds... so of course, I picked up lots from that. To say the least though, I am NOT a dog person really. Knowing what I know puts me in a HORRIBLE position. I know dog behavior and body language so I am more cautious than most with my son around dogs (which I am grateful for really)...


my point with that is that I couldn't believe she was so stubborn.

"I know my dog and he would NEVER hurt that baby!"... this to me is loving an animal more than your own family. The really frightening/sad thing is how she really is that stubborn and is more willing to let her pride get in the way of reality... her dog could hurt my son out of no ill intention, and since he's a dog, the potential is there that he could do so out of ill intention. She says that there is no way of that and that terrifies me.

Pogon,
I am a dog person. I have dogs and am qualified to consult in behavior correction. I support your position.

Anyone that truely KNOWS dogs KNOWS better!

ANY dog, regardless of size or how it relates to adult family members can become dangerous to someone. NO ONE can ever guarantee that his/her dog will NEVER bite.

I think your decision is prudent and correct.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Your pm to me didn't say that YOU didn't understand that comment, your pm said that OTHERS were upset about it and "talking behind my back". You were "concerned" that they had taken my comment the wrong way. You never said YOU had taken it the wrong way or didn't understand it. Interesting though how now you are saying, "Gee, I just didn't understand your comment, and now it's all this...".
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To the Others or "Other",

There really is no place for little two-faced "gossip queen(s)". If you have something important enough to mention, address it yourself public or private (private being preferred if it is as meaningless as this) with the person you have an issue with.

 

[KelliH]

Thank you Dennis. And Nicolai, I apologize to you (and everyone else). The only reason I posted was because your pm mentioned others were so concerned about what I said, you never said you were. You quoted some people saying certain things about me that really bothered me. If you had said it was YOU that was concerned I would have probably kept it private.

In any event, I am real sorry I took up the time of Fauna Members and the space on this site to discuss this matter. I will be the first to admit that I should not let stuff such as this bother me so much. I am very frail right now, and maybe I react to things differently than I used to. I know it's hard to understand, but I hope to react to situations in a more positive fashion from here on out.

 

[Lucille]

I hope to react to situations in a more positive fashion from here on out.

Kelli you are a beautiful person. And those words are exactly what Fauna is about, right now.
I hope it is OK here to tell you that I think your son was lucky to have a mom like you.

 

[KelliH]

Kelli you are a beautiful person. And those words are exactly what Fauna is about, right now. I hope it is OK here to tell you that I think your son was lucky to have a mom like you.

Lucille, thank you so much. I really mean that. I think it was me that was the lucky one, and I am trying so hard to make sense of all this. But what I am finding out is that some things will just never make sense. And some questions will forever remain unanswered, and really I guess they are supposed to.

Peace.

 

[nicolai]

Just to clear the air!!!!!!

I am tired of this and people asking who it was talking about her and what i said to her in the pm. Here are the PM's that i sent kelli. If anyone and i mean anyone can take them as being anything other then a friend trying to help out another please let me know. I am posting this as i dont want to be remembered for being the uncaring guy that gave a woman who just lost a child a hard time. I consider a lot of you personal friends even though we never met in the real world and i would let any of you know when others were talking about you, because thats what friends do!!!

I just figured i would let you know that a comment you made is probably being taken the wrong way by a lot of people. At the end of one of your posts you stated.

In the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter, they're just geckos!

Instead of talking behind your back as others are doing I figured i would bring this straight to you. comments like "she was the one that said they were like little family members and now this" and "how can she of all people have so little feeling for leopard geckos" are flying around. I am telling you this because at first I even thought is was a strange comment but knowing you I knew that you didnt mean anything by it and that you really do care about your geckos. I am very surprised no one has posted about it. You are held in very high reguard in the leo world and some people might not understand that comment.

Nicolai

Yes I do have children as you know and have seen before in the pics at the leo family album on KS a few years back. I was not accusing you of anything kelli but rather letting you know people might take the statement the wrong way. You have never been anything but nice to me. I know that your son had passed away and truly feel bad for you as i know that i would never ever want to go through that. My children are my life blood and I want to go before them as I dont think I could handle the loss. I still to this day have a hard time dealing with the loss of my two oldest brothers when i was 11 years old. When i read you post and looked at the pictures you posted of him I couldnt stop the tears from coming down my face and my youngest daughter wanted to know why "daddy" was crying. Being a man and a not so very emotional one most of the time your post and pics really hit home and made me do a lot of thinking.

and my reponse to this.

Also, now you are so upset about me "outing" you, yet you had already brought it up in a public thread! LOL

Here is my post, where are you mentioned??

In one of the major ongoing threads a person made a comment at the end of thier post that was very disapointing to me to read that they were that unfeeling towards the "animals" they are breeding. I would like to discuss the comment in one of the forums but I am unsure which forum would be appropriate to post it in. I cant post it in the thread the person posted in because the thread is about something else and I dont want to get hit for off topic posting. I also dont want to post it in the forum appropriate for the animals that person breeds because it might be thought of as a inflamitory post and that person is very popular in that forum.
I was thinking of posting in the General BS forum but figured i would get ideas from others first.
Any ideas where this would be appropriate??? It is not derogatory in any way, I just wanted to find out why this person seems so uncaring of the animals in the persons care.

Please let this be the end of it as I will not respond to any more questions in PM's that you people have been sending me because i am already very hurt about all this. I reached out to help someone and my hand gets cut off. I still consider a lot of you my friends and hope you do me as well. I will also still consider you a friend as well Kelli even though you never considered me as such. I think you are a very nice woman and have amazing geckos and are a asset to the leopard gecko community.

Laura/Leaftail, thank you so very much for your comment above and believing in me. You are a true friend.I would have hoped a few others would have had my back as well as i have helped many people over the years though many different situations yet when there was a shadow of doubt cast about me no one else stepped up to plate for me.

Nicolai

 

[Chris@TSE]

I hope you two move past this misunderstanding, it seems alot can be taken the wrong way and out of context over the internet when it lacks the emotion of spoken word. It's hard to judge someones intentions and both of you are very good friends of mine, I hate to see both of you exchanging blows in any way, no matter the cause.... I am glad things seem to be straightened out.

Kelli, give me a ring one of these evenings when you have time. toll free 1-877-rept1le, extension "8" will forward your call to me after hours. been a while....

Nick....im still waiting to see photos of the leos we sent you, hope they are doing well. and let me know when you end up with those boas we spoke about, I may be interested in a swap of sorts.

take care, both of you

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

I agree with Chris, I really think very highly of Nick and Kelli and I know they are both great people!

I hope all of this ends on a happier note and that the missunderstandings can be overcome and gotten past.

 

[KelliH]

Nicolai,

I'm sorry. I explained why your pm was confusing to me and how it conflicted with what you posted in the thread you started. I just don't know what else I can say?

 

[nicolai]

I am already past it Chris. I too consider you as a good friend and kelli as well. I just didnt want people to have that air of doubt in the back of thier mind about what i might have said. People have a way of remembering things like that. Hopefully me showing everyone everything will clear any doubts about my intentions and feelings.


Now lets go to the boi or hell and find some scammers or trolls to to bash on to make me feel better!!!!!

 

[nicolai]

Nicolai,

I'm sorry. I explained why your pm was confusing to me and how it conflicted with what you posted in the thread you started. I just don't know what else I can say?

You need not say anything else Kelli, I am glad that this worked out and I promise this has not changed the way i feel about you as a friend.

 

[Wilomn]

Just because no one steps up and says your back is covered does not necessarily mean you are exposed.

There was yet another report of that mysterious stranger with the stunningly white horse being seen in this very thread not too long ago.

Who IS that masked man?

 

[nicolai]

Just because no one steps up and says your back is covered does not necessarily mean you are exposed.

How very true, sometimes you amaze me with your perspective on things. I am begining to think you have multiple personalities. The BOI wes-out to get the bad guys, Hell wes- watch out for him in there, species specific (leopard gekos etc,) forums WES - the repile lover, Fauna WES - stubborn, hard headed, argumentative and oppinionated, Everyday WES- a normal guy. Remember that book the three faces of eve, we should write a book on the many faces of WES, best seller ????

There was yet another report of that mysterious stranger with the stunningly white horse being seen in this very thread not too long ago.

Who IS that masked man?

Would his name start with D, did he just get off of suspension???

 

[Wilomn]

Would his name start with D, did he just get off of suspension???

Though he whom shall not be named is somewhat mysterious, it is of an entirely trajic and completey lacking in intelligent cohesion sort of way.

The rider of the Whitest of Steeds is more of a defender of those who can't for themselves and a doer of good. The rider is NOTHING like that other one you refer to.

If only someone could find out who he is. Alas, I have been unable to ascertain even a hint of his true identity.

Who IS that masked man?

 

[nicolai]

sure got crowded in here all of a sudden?????? i know your trying to say something in your own way but i am at a loss as to what it is.

 

[Wilomn]

Just messin about.

I lurk on occasion and see many thing upon which I just don't bother to comment.

One quiet day I heard this champing and hoof stomping off in some barely visited corner of fauna and when I looked I saw there, sitting like quiote himself, some oddball guy on the most brilliant of white horses I've ever seen. The son of a gun was wearing one of those masks like the lone ranger did and in fact it was the lone ranger that I frst thought of upon sighting this quiet stranger.

We've never actually spoken but I have seen him and his horse from time to time, checking in on various and sundry folks and their happenings, doing, I suppose, what he thinks he should.

Let me know if you see him and by all means tell me if you figure out who he is.