Tim Lofton. Lofton lizards BAD GUY

[LauraB]

Can you describe how, with 100% certainty, IBD can be diagnosed with a quick look?

Originally Posted by LauraB:
IBD isn't something that can be diagnosed on a quick look.

It cannot ... I think you just misread my post.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Uhhh, I'm not Alicia, Dennis.

And you're right, I did misread you. Sorry! I thought you were disagreeing with Harald.

 

[abrevaderci]

So now I'm a proven liar because I never scanned far enough down the page to see this boi? Excuse me and no offense to fauna classifieds boi, but its a stupid blog. You people sit around and pontificate minutia like you know something about it. And just because I didn't take it to a Veterinarian does not mean I didn't speak to one. Her name is Carrie La Jeunesse she is a dvm. In the Washington area and is easy to prove if any of you can scrape together enough change to get to a pay phone and call her. Which I guess makes you all look like f-ing idiots for presuming you new anything about my situation. I have been coming to this site for close to 10 years. Just because I didn't choose to join this august body of experts does not mean that I am in some way out of the main stream or a liar. The snake in question was bought off an add on it. So if you could go back to the person that has invested his life in archiving all the ads and wisdom that has been poured out here, you will find that what I have said, though not provable to anyone here (like that in some way matters) can be investigated further. I'm sure you all have the IT persons phone number on speed dial.

 

[Lucille]

So now I'm a proven liar because I never scanned far enough down the page to see this boi? Excuse me and no offense to fauna classifieds boi, but its a stupid blog. You people sit around and pontificate minutia like you know something about it. And just because I didn't take it to a Veterinarian does not mean I didn't speak to one. Her name is Carrie La Jeunesse she is a dvm. In the Washington area and is easy to prove if any of you can scrape together enough change to get to a pay phone and call her. Which I guess makes you all look like f-ing idiots for presuming you new anything about my situation. I have been coming to this site for close to 10 years. Just because I didn't choose to join this august body of experts does not mean that I am in some way out of the main stream or a liar. The snake in question was bought off an add on it. So if you could go back to the person that has invested his life in archiving all the ads and wisdom that has been poured out here, you will find that what I have said, though not provable to anyone here (like that in some way matters) can be investigated further. I'm sure you all have the IT persons phone number on speed dial.

John,

When you come here and start a bad guy thread, this site and especially the BOI has enough effect that the thread could possibly affect a seller's livelihood.
You should realize that a responsible veterinarian is 1) not going to talk about your business to just anyone who calls and 2) cannot make a diagnosis of IBD for an animal she has never seen, so I am not sure why you posted the name of this vet. Taking your critter to a non vet and having him glance at it is not a good diagnosis either.
You've made serious accusations with no proof. Post some real info.

 

[John E Dove]

Not to mention the fact that this supposedly happened "years ago". Do you really think that a busy DVM is going to remember a phone call from another state years after the fact?

I am still waiting for some evidence that you ever made a purchase from Mr. Lofton.

 

[LauraB]

LMAO ... as if anyone would waste their time actually trying to track down a vet you claimed you talked to "many years ago".

No, your original post was ludicrous enough. For some reason you felt the need to post on this "stupid blog" the dastardly deed you can't even prove. It surely couldn't have been to warn the general public of this so-called menace who sold you a snake "many years ago".
And then to name people who 1) didn't even see the snake 2) were not qualified to diagnose IBD, in order to back your claim?
That just defies logic and even a modicum of intellect.

Enough time and space has been wasted on this ridiculous thread. Time to say arrivederci, abrevaderci!
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And by the way ... everyone listen up! Some guy named Jim Shoe called me names back in college, many years ago. I think 2 other people may have heard him .... beware Jim Shoe!

 

[abrevaderci]

Ok John. Let's see. I just happened to have a Washington state phone book handy in socal where I lived. I just opened it to vets and closed my eyes and picked one out blind. Actually she's my wifes friend since she was 16 (about thirty years) and they talk constantly. Yeah I am pretty sure she would remember.

 

[abrevaderci]

And Laura, somebody had the time to verify that there was a Chris geocolleti (how ever he spells it) If the thread was such a waste doesn't that cast doubts on your own intelligence for posting anything in the first place?

 

[Lucille]

And Laura, somebody had the time to verify that there was a Chris geocolleti (how ever he spells it) If the thread was such a waste doesn't that cast doubts on your own intelligence for posting anything in the first place?

This is standard scumbag stuff. We've asked for proof, you have provided none, abrevaderci, and instead you turn on another poster and just post a nasty answer.
People here are not so easily derailed. You've made a serious accusation and provided no proof.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

I know John Cook here in Az... I think that this post has gone a little far in some of it's comments, or should I say, a few's imparticular comments... At any rate I don't know many or any of you, and I know nobody knows me, cuz I'm a nobody, lol; already know that, and noone knows John Cook, so he must be bullsh#tt@n, except I actually do and have fer five years or so now... We all don't/might not really know each other, but we should not pound on someone til everything is on the table.... I will not comment on IBD, because me not know everyting about it, but there are diseases, parasites and "issues" that all breeds of snakes, and animals for that matter, can recieve, mainly through poor health, and it renders a snake worthless or in need of serious, and sometimes costly help.. At this point you/we/me either pony up and pay someone to help, depending if it's worth it or not, or fix it yourself; most times it's too darn late with reptiles, you gotta know what I mean since we have all lost stuff.. And I do mean lives... Basically, all I think, or thought it was time for, was this: John Cook has many responsibilities and a career, just like all of us, so he kant sit in front of the computer and track down Tim Lofton right now for you/me/any of us and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law for $125; but he wanted to take five seconds out, NOW that he has found out about the boi after who cares how many years and wanted to let you/me/all of us know about a guy who sent him a half dead snake and didn't rectify it like we all probably would.... Oh and since I know you guys are itchin to know about John Cook after dumpin all over his thread.. I'll toot his horn for him since I know he will not, that's the gentlemen and family man, he really is to give you a tiny clue!!! I have personally seen/known/and owned a lot of his adults and babies, my customers might come to attest to how nice some of my/his adults are and were since I bought anyone he would let go of and let it go like a tard because of my girlfriend's lovely spending sprees. lol... Who knows??? What I will say is this, he has bred boa and python morphs that most of us/we/you dream and wish for and of?? I'M SERIOUS TOO! He is a professional, not that we all aren't, cuz we all are right all of the time aren't we??? I am sorry I didn't say something sooner since I have my own issues, but this needs to go noted: John Cook MUST have/was been sent a "jacked up" boa... I know and trust his judgement. I'm gonna have said that. IBD?? I dunno about that stuff, but jacked up, yeaaahhh!!! I am letting you know that JC is on the up and up, and he is trying to warn all of us of HIS incident with T. Lofton.. That should be about it for this thread I think.. If you wanna go get something from T. Lofton, you can, and should, but I AM STICKIN WITH JOHN'S ORIGINAL POST.. You have at least a 50% possibility dealing with T. Lofton you will get death delivered to you.. Who knows?? But, I would take John's advice before makin a deal with the character named... Please take this thread seriously from John, you would be sorry you second guessed him after chattin with him for ten short minutes, the dude knows his stuff... Not that all of champions don't, he is trying to let us know something, tis all...

 

[John E Dove]

Mr. Pecanic,
Did you see this snake?
Can you shed some light on what year this supposedly happened?
Can you perhaps fill us in on why Mr. Cook would be more willing to just kill the snake rather than attempt to get a qualified diagnosis of the actual problem and perhaps treat it?

 

[Lucille]

You have at least a 50% possibility dealing with T. Lofton you will get death delivered to you.

This is a serious charge, also. Since it is so exact do you have documented proof that half of all animal shipments sent by this seller arrive dead? Where did you get that info? Can you post it?

There are some serious allegations here not backed up by proof.

 

[LauraB]

Tom ...

With all due respect, Mr. Pecanic....

Mr. Cook posted here about a transaction that, by his own words, took place "many years ago". He took the snake to a man who, while knowing and reputable, is NOT a veterinarian. He stated the man (Chris G.) declared then and there the snake had IBD and should be destroyed. At the time of his original post, John said nothing about the Washington vet he later said he contacted.

However, again ... the snake was NOT seen by a vet, no IBD diagnosis was ever officially made. John may well be a very fine keeper and breeder. John may well be a scholar, a gentleman, a perfect family man. I, for one, don't question his character outside this thread, in his personal or professional life. I don't know the man.
I do believe it is foolhardy to claim someone sold a snake with IBD when it has not been definitively diagnosed, when no proof is submitted and when the transaction occurred "many years ago".

I also believe it is foolhardy of you to state publicly, "You have at least a 50% possibility dealing with T. Lofton you will get death delivered to you." Why has no one else posted that Mr. Lofton also sent them sickly, dying snakes (or with IBD)?

I don't know Mr. Lofton, have never bought from him. I do know if I am going to make a public charge of something as serious as IBD, I'm going to have the proof to back me up before I make such a claim.
I also know, as a herper and animal keeper, that I need to actually SEE a vet before I (or any other non-qualified person) make claims of my animal having A, B or C and needs to be destroyed.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

I have to agree with you Laura. As you seem to have the most logical answers here in regards to it needing to be seen by a "professional".. It is always better to go with a professional with a reputation than a deal for the dolla... lol.. Mr. Dove, I did not see the boa in question, I am sorry for that.. I woulda been the one all over the seller in question if I were involved at all.. At any rate, I do agree with you too Mr. Dove, seeking a pro is always bestest.. But, in this case (a relatively inexpensive animal) I don't think that it was necessary and I think I woulda wound up in the same boat as Mr. Cook.. I mean wouldn't you anybody.. Why keep problems around.. And with that Mr. Dove, your "Complacency" saying says it all.. If someone ie: most likely T. Lofton would not have been so complacent on his husbandry, well, I don't think this post would be here. lol.. That saying is dead nuts baby. And with that, I guess Laura is/might/could be right as with me making a false claim on the seller in question.. I haven't found anything on him as well for me to make a claim, is he done dealing with reptiles, who knows?, is he selling under a girlfriends or boyfriends name, don't know? So, I guess I'll recant my percentage on having death delivered to you by him.. But, I am kindly telling you that this happened the way John says it did, I know there is two sides, so let us try to locate T. Lofton(good luck).. I can't wait for someone to come through with more info so we could put this baby to rest(good luck), but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon. John mentioned to me that this may have happened almost nine years ago now when Hogg Isl.'s were commanding a higher dollar and quite a bit rarer than today, whatever that is worth to anyone.. John apparently got this one for a "deal" at $125... Well, should a sick snake show up at your door since you bought one for a "deal." Those that know the saying: if it sounds too good to be, it isn't., might not jump for that, BUT DO YOU DESERVE A LESS THAN HEALTHY ANIMAL cuz someone offers it super cheap.. The answer is quite simple, no, but it happens waaaaay to often to innocents... That is all this post was/is trying to do.. Tis all.. So, I took this post, and I think you should take this post for what it was right now and is, pretty much the only thing you have on T. Lofton right now, and it's not good.. Most good transactions never get posted for people, the bad do, I hope.. If anyone wants... Probably not a good idea, but I'll buy something from him right now to see what happens for all us.. Someone locate him if they can.. I think it'd be kinda neat, I do have a busy, tight schedule like all of us, but what the hey, then we'll know.. Mr. Cook, where could we at least begin to search for Tim Lofton, Cali??

 

[Gecko_Den]

Paragraphs are your friend.

 

[John E Dove]

Mr. Dove, I did not see the boa in question, I am sorry for that.. I woulda been the one all over the seller in question if I were involved at all.. At any rate, I do agree with you too Mr. Dove, seeking a pro is always bestest.. But, in this case (a relatively inexpensive animal) I don't think that it was necessary and I think I woulda wound up in the same boat as Mr. Cook.. I mean wouldn't you anybody.. Why keep problems around..

I am sorry Mr. Pecanic but you are talking to the wrong person when you mention not treating or keeping problem animals. I take in rescues we do not want to keep and do not see any animal as disposable. We have spent big bucks rehabilitating 19 dollar Green Iguanas with the hope we could give them away to a good home. Money does not enter into the equation when it come to the animals we care for. All animal deserve a chance regardless of the symptoms they display.
That said I do not understand not getting a proper diagnosis before destroying an animal. To me that says the person does not care about the animal in the first place beyond the dollar signs in their eyes.
In this case you are simply going on the word of your friend that there was a deal since you never saw the snake and have no info on what year this deal even supposedly happened. I suppose it is good to stand by your friend but there could be something else going on here that none of us are aware of. Given the fact that no one else has made such a report about Mr. Lofton, if Mr. Lofton ever even sold any snakes, and no proof has been offered that any deal or snake ever existed I would have to dismiss this Bad Guy report as bogus and likely based on a personal grudge rather than a deal gone bad.
Given that this report has been made I might be inclinde to ask many questions if I ever ran into Mr. Lofton selling anything I wanted but I would be more inclined to avoid selling to the OP due to his questionable care for his animals.