Time for a break

[Gromph Baenre]

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I think it is better left in hell where people can give their candid thought like Seamus expressed. Plus pasty boy has some funny views. Personally I am sick of the ass munching with this issue and the bell ringing attitudes of some people. Goddamn go work for the frigging United Way and raise money, but stop doing it here......
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Brian C. Foster

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Brian,
Why are you using such restraint? Please tell us how you really feel.


Best regards,


Carson

 

[bcfos]

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I think it is better left in hell where people can give their candid thought like Seamus expressed. Plus pasty boy has some funny views. Personally I am sick of the ass munching with this issue and the bell ringing attitudes of some people. Goddamn go work for the frigging United Way and raise money, but stop doing it here......
__________________
http://thereptileroom.org/

Brian C. Foster

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Brian,
Why are you using such restraint? Please tell us how you really feel.


Best regards,


Carson

Go back to work at King and shut the hell up........

 

[Gromph Baenre]

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Go back to work at King and shut the hell up........

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Or what ?you will say the same thing again? My attempt to concur with your sentiments via joking obviously fell upon blind eyes. Or is humor too difficult a concept for you to comprehend?


Best regards,

Carson

 

[bcfos]

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Go back to work at King and shut the hell up........

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Or what ?you will say the same thing again? My attempt to concur with your sentiments via joking obviously fell upon blind eyes. Or is humor too difficult a concept for you to comprehend?


Best regards,

Carson

At this point as long as you are not ringing the goddamn donation bell I can tolerate you.

 

[ms_terese]

Superheros need retirement plans but the site itself DOES stand for something, DOES embody something and IS meaningful in many ways both tangible and intangible. Making it pay to play is counter to all of those things.

Seamus, I don't think I understand your logic here. How would this site evolving into one that requires a membership fee of some configuration or other counter the good that it stands for?

I admit to being perplexed. Not surprisingly, no one has come forward to say this site is without value, yet there is a strong viewpoint that making it a pay site in *any* fashion would be the death of it. Is that because reptile folks are too cheap?.....because it began as a free site and therefore is obligated to remain a free site?.....because if Fauna isn't the result of a selfless fighter of evil who is willing to invest whatever it takes to right the wrongs of the reptile world it isn't as much fun? I must be missing some of the scenery along the path that leads to this conclusion.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Whats rich to do to help pay for fauna?

A. Sit around Do nothing and hope that people fight and argue enough and pay to get back in once kicked??

B. Sit around Hope that alot of people pay for more ad space and sponser more forum sections?

C. Or hope for alot more of those fauna fund auctions?

D. Pray for a sruge in paying members?

If you selected a, b, c or d smack yourself now. Obviously none of it is doing him good now, Thats why he has asked fauna on what to do.

You know at first when fauna was a small site rich wasnt minding. He probably even secretly celebrated when the site hit 100,000, 250,000, 500,000 and a million Hits. Back then he probably enjoyed running fauna and was proud of it. I know he is still proud of fauna, but some of the same **** different day stuff is probably getting old quick.

I know if i was him i would be tired of the almost daily demands to remove threads, ip lookups, Lawsuits, ETC.

Since i signed up for fauna i noticed things about rich maybe most of you overlooked. His name is webslave, meaning he is a slave for fauna. Which is probably fitting, as he gets treated like one with slave pay at that. The other is location, It says "Here. Mostly....." Meaning other than his business he has no time for a personal life, Outside of fauna. I wonder that about some of the posters here too though. Maybe I got more out of his name than he meant, but that how i always seen it. For rich to show this much dedication for a site, While maintaining a business is amazing IMO. Then when asked about a paid member only plan he gets slapped in the face for it. He seen it coming, but i know he felt he no longer has a choice in it.

You all should be glad he is asking us first about what he wants to do. You know we all could have tried to sign onto fauna one day, to find out that if you didnt pay the $35 already you were S.O.L until you did. Thats not the way rich wanted to do it, because he knew it would kill fauna. I know if he knows fauna will die, Why try and just pull the plug soon and save himself the trouble of watching it all go downhill fast.

Most of you people take this site for granted. What are we going to do when its gone? NO more BOI, no more bad guy threads about who to watch out for or anything like that. Only the badguy threads that caught your attention will remain the reminders on who to watch out for.

Granted my status is a free member now, but i had already planned on contributing soon. Now i will wait till rich lays out the new membership rules to decide what ill do. Even at $35 its not that bad, its less than 10 cents a day. Get sally struthers fatass, i see a commercial.

"For only Less than 10 cents a day, you too can support fauna and the boi"

 

[Roger Jolly]

So Brian and Seamus. Why you guys got such a hardon over Lucille carrying some of the load to help support this site??? Whats your take of the pot on this??? If you guys were helping out instead of whining maybe webbie wouldnt be talking about pissing in your oatmeal with a membership fee. Looks to me that you guys are painting yourself into a corner to have to either eat crow and pay the fee or get onto your high horses and ride away into the sunset. That what you want???

 

[shrap]

Should read... "forum specifically" and so on rather than "thread". The thread was created in hell, my post was made in hell and follows the rules OF hell... where I believe I was told upon entering that it was okay to explain that Lucille was mentally deficient without repercussions in the form of warning points or banning.

I don't think it really matters if one is in Hell, the regular forums, the local pub or the workplace. You do not have to treat people like dirt to make your point. It shows ones true character when they treat people like dirt just becasue they want to, no matter the location of where they treat them like dirt at.

And no, Lucille is no particular friend of mine. I just find it bizarre that you really think it is perfectly acceptable to treat anyone like trash just because you want to and are doing it in a place where there are no repercussions for your actions.

Why do you even want to treat people like trash? That is my real question I guess.

 

[DAND]

Seamus,

What is your problem? Again, you are attacking Lucille, and for what? Because she is putting forth an effort to help? There are others trying to help out too and I don't see you attacking any of them. Maybe you feel like a big man attacking someone who won't lower themselves and fight back with the same lack of intelligence or childish name calling you use. Who are you trying to impress?

 

[TooManyBurmese]

Well there goes the reservoir

 

[Lucille]

It is, amazingly enough, still full. There are expressions of support here; and after all, the people who chose to debase themselves with their posts are known for those responses wherever they go.

Hmmmm, you may have been right on your advice that this choice of venue was a tactical error, however, Danni. lol.

I love people in general; and take them with their frailties, imperfections, and baggage. No one is perfect.

 

[WebSlave]

I have made up a separate section where all of the commentaries about this obviously volatile issue will be stored together until the fat lady sings. Although I don't believe Seamus's remarks are socially acceptable outside of **HELL**, I am moving this thread there regardless.

 

[cthulhu77]

It has been very enlightening to go back from the last page, and read to the first...my opinions of people have warped a bit, which is too bad...Kind of like watching a mudslide in reverse.
I fail to see how Lucille is kissing anyone's rectum, I fail to see why this is such a big deal. I spend more on mice in a week than what they are asking for here...ten bucks? Whoopdedooo. Quite a lot of pent up anger here...perhaps lifting weights or taking a nice long walk would serve you better...no need to get so p'od !
the death of Fauna 'cause of charges? Please...give me a break. Do I think it is a good idea...not really, but it may be a reality...I pay for a lot of things I don't think I should have to...(why do I have so many religious channels on my cable setup? why so many spanish? hell, there are a lot of other things I would rather watch than some chick's mascara running as she cries about the lord...)
Quit whining. If you don't want to read posts about the fauna cash flow problem...don't. I didn't for several days, and I feel just fine.

greg

 

[kare]

my .02 worth

I believe some people just aren't going to get it...they've had it their way for too long and forget to look from the other side of the issue. I, for one, love this site and am thankful I found it. I have become a contributor and will pay for membership when it comes to that. The site is important enough. The price is small compared to the amount of monies and anquish caused by getting scammed. Lucille is a person who is trying to help hold onto something she finds worth and value in. Rich is trying to hold on - the strain of maintaining a site like this must be staggering. Let's quit crucifying the good people and get our focus back on the trash out there.

 

[bcfos]

So Brian and Seamus. Why you guys got such a hardon over Lucille carrying some of the load to help support this site??? Whats your take of the pot on this??? If you guys were helping out instead of whining maybe webbie wouldnt be talking about pissing in your oatmeal with a membership fee. Looks to me that you guys are painting yourself into a corner to have to either eat crow and pay the fee or get onto your high horses and ride away into the sunset. That what you want???

Well now where do I start...... I see a membership fee killing this site which may be what some want due to financial obligations to another site. Rendering the BOI useless is will hurt the community as a whole. Say Joe Blow wants to warn everyone of a new scam by Jesse Underhill (a bit before most of you guys time) well he can't unless he ponies up and pays. Well he doesn't and many many more get taken for a ride on the Underhill express. See the point? Also it will reduce the flame wars on the BOI which can be quite comical and entertaining (Granted I would rather have a pole dance show than watch someone bitch and moan about how they are not a bad guy) But some of you live for that flame war. You should expect membership and hit drops of about 30% the first week and it will level out in a couple of months with about a 10% retention rate by my estimates. And this is active posters not total membership. so out of 16k + members I would hazard a guess that maybe 1000 of these are active posters. And then the maens would not justify the cost anymore and poof no Fauna.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Look this whole thing is becoming a very large pile of S@#T do you people have a crystal ball in your pocket or some voodoo mojo that tells you if a fee is imposed that this site will crash....I dont think so ....I think What the bottom line is. That if you want to come here to whine your going to have to pay for it I think that there maybe a slow down of this site but over a small period of time it will be up and better JMHO

 

[Lucille]

Voodoo mojo.....you sound like you are from Louisiana. Bill you are terrific, too funny......

 

[Bill_Leverton]

See at least I got you to laugh and I dont care what anybody says Your doing a Great Job

 

[WebSlave]

I see a membership fee killing this site which may be what some want due to financial obligations to another site.

Do you mind explaining what you mean by this, please?

 

[reptilebreeder]

Rendering the BOI useless is will hurt the community as a whole. Say Joe Blow wants to warn everyone of a new scam by Jesse Underhill (a bit before most of you guys time) well he can't unless he ponies up and pays. Well he doesn't and many many more get taken for a ride on the Underhill express. See the point? .

like I've said before, going back to the first days of the original BOI, back then there may have been only a fraction of the "users", but to those of us that used it back then it was just as useful. So a fee may make it leaner, but I think it will be even more useful, because I believe the fee will stop at least some of the reregistering to either make up good guy posts about yourself, or trying to circumvent a fine or ban, to continue trying to "defend" your previous lies or bad guy reputation.
If someone gets burned by the underhills of the reptile world because they were to cheap to pay a measly $10 bucks, I don't have any sympathy for them. The information will be here, it's a matter of what people feel it is worth to themselves not to get ripped off.
JMHO