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Time to evaluate the issue of replies in the classified ad sections.

Has the "no reply" policy in classified ads helped or hindered?


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That would involve basically gutting the entire forums software, and just for that section. Forum software is pretty much BASED on the concept of 'a reply bumps a thread to the top so people can see there is new activity'. It's not that simple at all.



You wouldnt be gutting the forum software....it may take some work to add in a function to prevent the thread from being "bumped" but there have been mods for replying with out bumping and bumping with out replying for years. I remember working on a similar mod for phpbb almost a decade ago. It might not be that simple, but is completely doable.
 
You wouldnt be gutting the forum software....it may take some work to add in a function to prevent the thread from being "bumped" but there have been mods for replying with out bumping and bumping with out replying for years. I remember working on a similar mod for phpbb almost a decade ago. It might not be that simple, but is completely doable.

Of course. Just about anything is doable in a programming application if enough effort and money is applied to it. The question is, how much money SHOULD I throw at such a problem? And WHY should I if a simpler, somewhat satisfactory, solution exists? Blocking replies stops bumping abuses dead in it's tracks, does it not? And it is a whole lot less labor intensive for the mods than the alternative of simply re-enabling replies again.

But in any event, if you know of a simple programming algorithm that can differentiate a REAL post from someone simply using any number of ploys to effect a bump, heck, let me in on it. I've done programming in my younger years, but by no means consider myself an expert.

In any event, I don't see the poll providing me any mandate to change from what is currently implemented.
 
Frankly, I dont see a problem with the way things currently are. If its not broken, dont fix it, is my motto. I think if you re-enable replies it might open a can of worms imo.
 
It appears that the voting has swung over to favoring re-enabling replies to the classifieds. Any last words or votes before I flip the coin?
 
I vote to keep things the way you have them now.

No need to open replies on classifieds. That'd be opening up a can of worms again.
 
I say keep it the way it is. also think that anyone wanting to post a classifed should have at least a contributor membership. think about all the scammers that will not pay that $25.00 to post a classified.the site is filthy with scammers right now.my thoughts are that the free advertizing attracts scammers.

Just my 02
 
I say keep it the way it is. also think that anyone wanting to post a classifed should have at least a contributor membership. think about all the scammers that will not pay that $25.00 to post a classified.the site is filthy with scammers right now.my thoughts are that the free advertizing attracts scammers.

Just my 02

Wouldnt work, cause this would cause a sense of security to lookers thinking they are a honorable seller cause they paid the $25. $25 is a small price to pay when they can recover that and thousands on a few scams.
 
Wouldnt work, cause this would cause a sense of security to lookers thinking they are a honorable seller cause they paid the $25. $25 is a small price to pay when they can recover that and thousands on a few scams.
I see your point, don't you think it would discourage any scammers?
 
The main benefit would be from weeding out the people the didn't use their real names; and even that wouldn't be 100% effective. While I think pay to play might fare better for the classifieds than it did for the BOI; I think such a move (especially at this time) would be counter to Rich's intended goals.
 
Well, there really isn't any overwhelming choice being made in the poll concerning any of the options, but the desire to re-open the classifieds to replies does appear to be more popular than the alternatives.

Quite frankly, it's disconcerting to me to see nearly 3,000 registered members logging in here every day, yet not even 10 percent of them will bother to post anything anywhere. What is lacking in incentive for the remaining 90+ percent to post a reply to something? Surely they have enough interest to have registered here and then come back to visit. Surely there must be SOMETHING they would like to talk about?

So my suspicion is that many are coming here strictly to view the classifieds sections. So perhaps it would be conducive to breaking the ice with them if they COULD reply to ads, and maybe that would lead to more participation elsewhere on this site once that ice has been fractured. The longer they are here, the more they might look around, and decide to just get involved in a discussion that they stumble on.

Will there be problems? Of course! But maybe it would be best if I just stay out of the way of what people want to DO here. After all, this really is a discussion forum site, is it not? So maybe I need to encourage DISCUSSIONS whenever, and where ever people may want to engage in them.

Thread (ad) starters will still have the capability to lock their ads if they prefer to NOT have replies, which can be easily done from their Classifieds Control Panel. So with this in mind, each author of every classified ad can manage the discussion themselves within their own ad. If a particular member is just being a gadfly with a generally annoying presence in the classifieds, then that person can be dealt with specifically.

Of course, no decision like this has to be permanent. If it appears to be causing more problems than it is solving, then I can always try another direction to try to make it better, overall. Wouldn't be the first time that I've had to flip flop from one decision to the other just to see which one seems better TODAY.

Oh yeah, as best I can recall, there is still code in place whereby the thread starter of a classified ad cannot reply to their own ad till someone else replies to it. This was done to try to limit the amount of rampant bumping taking place, and for now I don't see any reason to remove that code. Truth be known, has it really been much better with people just creating new identical ads instead of bumping old ones? Even though they will delete those ads, they are really only soft deletes, so they are still taking up a tremendous amount of space in the database. But I'll leave the anti-bumping code in place for now and just evaluate that when it appears I need to.

Will this remove the incentive for some advertisers becoming paying members so they can bump their ads easily from the Classifieds Control Panel? Maybe so. But I'm hoping the increase in traffic and just general interest in CONVERSATIONS in and about the classifieds will make up for it on the bottom line.

So there it is. Yeah, I know... Some people will hate the change and others will like it. Pretty much par for the course, but it's my job to try to look at the long term and try to do what I THINK may make things better overall for the majority of the people here. I am sorry there are no perfect answers for anything. Never have been, and probably never will be. But like it or not, let's just see what happens, OK?
 
I can omly speak for myself, but i'm sure many others do the same..
been visiting for a long time and decided to register.
I don't post that often but i do enjoy reading and BOI.. lots of good information and great people..
I'm from Canada so most of the adds in the clasified are in the States and sadly i can't buy anything... sometimes some will say the can ship but rarely so.. i did try to reply a few times just because an animal was just too amazing, either just to let the buyer know or to ask questions..but can't !!!
I know the PM is there for that... but beeing active on other forums in Canada, when you put something up for sale, answering the same things over and over can be reduced if allowed in the adds.. others will see the ???? and don't need to ask..
but i understand your point as well because, you always get people who will abuse by bumping or critisize the sellers add...

and it's always a risk of getting flamed when trying to help.. many different ways to do things right but others ,sometimes don't see it this way and will discredit others just becasue they can.. this can shy people away... i've seen that everywhere and is the #1 reason why you always see the same ones on the boards... if they can't get along and flame others... for sure the newbies and quiet ones will just stay back and read.. to be honest... nothing can be done about that unless you have a migical way of forcing respect of others to everyone..

this is a great place to get information , good deals and friends .
hats off to all the mods and owner because i would not want to have to deal with all the issues it involves.. just like herding cats :)
 
I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed seeing these old ads hauled up from the depths so people can ask if the animals are still available...
 
Indeed. How difficult would it be to either auto lock or delete classified ads after a certain period, like maybe a year? Just throwing that out there.
 
Maybe it will bring the people back who originally posted those ads that haven't logged in here for a while. :shrug01:

But at least those people posting the queries aren't asking us why they can't post there or just scratching their head and leaving in frustration because they can't figure out why.
 
Indeed. How difficult would it be to either auto lock or delete classified ads after a certain period, like maybe a year? Just throwing that out there.

AutoLock - I have no idea.
Deleting - The old answer was that those ads still brought traffic to the site by coming up in searches. Were that not the case; I'd be largely in favor of ads going poof at the one year mark...even though I leave a few of my old ads up as examples of my animals.
 
I know auto delete is possible aka Pruning. My forum has the setting to auto prune threads with no activity for a year and move them to another category. Where i can either reset it and move back to original category or just delete it
 
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