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how many people have purchased possible hets 66% ,50% hets etc from Tom and proven out the genes- please keep responses to breeding related experiences and resulting progeny /clutches
 
While I've never done business with Cypress Creek Reptiles...I think it needs pointed out that being that you've gambled with possible hets (meaning there's a good chance they aren't carrying the appropriate genetics in the first place), you can't really complain or question clutch results. If you were dealing with actual (100%) hets...Then you could bring that sort of concern up.
 
I disagree

I think the question the OP asked is a very good one. There are people out there that are labeling snakes as possible hets that in reality are not. They do it because they think it will get them more money for something. I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT TOM. I am only pointing out facts. In years past in some cases possible hets were pretty expensive, certainly a lot more then a normal. For example, a few years back a 66% possible het for Lavender Albino Ball Python was expensive, so if someone took a normal and sold it as such then they would get a lot more money for it. If anyone has sold a lot of possible hets and for the most part they do not prove out then I think that person should be questioned.

Just my opinion.
Brian Dierking
 
brd7666 said:
I think the question the OP asked is a very good one. There are people out there that are labeling snakes as possible hets that in reality are not. They do it because they think it will get them more money for something. I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT TOM. I am only pointing out facts. In years past in some cases possible hets were pretty expensive, certainly a lot more then a normal. For example, a few years back a 66% possible het for Lavender Albino Ball Python was expensive, so if someone took a normal and sold it as such then they would get a lot more money for it. If anyone has sold a lot of possible hets and for the most part they do not prove out then I think that person should be questioned.
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But the point is...How would one prove that they are in fact possible hets? You can't! Their are no visual parent and you can just get really crappy odds. It happens. If you don't want to gamble, buy 100% from an established breeder.
 
fire_flyny said:
how many people have purchased possible hets 66% ,50% hets etc from Tom and proven out the genes- please keep responses to breeding related experiences and resulting progeny /clutches
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Ok, here's a breeding related experience. With hets, anybody can tell you anything. Some people will spew information, but they wouldn't know a Punnett square if it bit them on the ass.

Its basic common sense. Ask a lot of questions. In this scenario, it all comes down to how much you trust the seller.

Most scammers are fairly ignorant. If you try to pin them down on a specific detail, they will double - talk. The other type (and more dangerous) actually know what they are talking about.

Anyhoo, I wish you luck. But, be advised, buying (supposed) hets from an unknown party is a crapshoot at best.
 
TripleMoonsExotic said:
But the point is...How would one prove that they are in fact possible hets? You can't! Their are no visual parent and you can just get really crappy odds. It happens. If you don't want to gamble, buy 100% from an established breeder.
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Not trying to start an argument here, but keep in mind that some people do not have the resourses to always buy guaranteed hets. Some people buy the possible hets with hopes of proving one or some of them out. In some cases you can get several 66% possible hets for the price of one guaranteed het. If sellers are ripping people off by selling normals as possible hets then all or a very high percentage of them will not prove out. In theory two out of three 66% possible hets should prove out. If one out of ten that were labeled 66% possible het proved out, then in my opinion the seller was lying about them and selling normals as possible hets just to make more money. I know for a fact that people do it, because people have been caught lying. I am using 66% possible hets for example, they would have visual morphs as litter mates. 50% possible hets would have no visual litter mates. There are actually people out there that believe everything they are told, so they don't even realize that someone could be taking advantage of them. I will say that when buying hets, you should buy from someone you trust if you can because it will avoid all of this.

Brian Dierking
 
brd7666 said:
Not trying to start an argument here, but keep in mind that some people do not have the resourses to always buy guaranteed hets. Some people buy the possible hets with hopes of proving one or some of them out. In some cases you can get several 66% possible hets for the price of one guaranteed het. If sellers are ripping people off by selling normals as possible hets then all or a very high percentage of them will not prove out. In theory two out of three 66% possible hets should prove out. If one out of ten that were labeled 66% possible het proved out, then in my opinion the seller was lying about them and selling normals as possible hets just to make more money. I know for a fact that people do it, because people have been caught lying. I am using 66% possible hets for example, they would have visual morphs as litter mates. 50% possible hets would have no visual litter mates. There are actually people out there that believe everything they are told, so they don't even realize that someone could be taking advantage of them. I will say that when buying hets, you should buy from someone you trust if you can because it will avoid all of this.

Brian Dierking
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Yeah, Einstein. We get it.
 
ok people - time to focus on the topic: Tom Carlton @ Cypress Creek Reptiles.
 
Brian

You are using the word "would" an awful lot where the words "Could" or "statistically should" would be more appropriate

The math is never guaranteed to work based on statistical probabilities. That is why it is not that uncommon to get none or all visuals from a het to het breeding. There is no guarantee that a 66% het would have visual siblings either.

As to Tom Carlton, I have known him for over a decade and would trust his description of the genetics without question.

To Sharpshooter...there is only one inborn effing idiot that has posted on this thread and the rest of us have already identified you. A word of advice...newbies with smart mouths tend to get well and truly roasted here.... prior to banning :shootfoot
 
i personally, would never sell poss hets as anything more than normals, with an added potential. same risk for the buyer, goes to some extent for the seller, if you want to make more money, purchase parents that will give you 100% hets, then you can mark up your price or whatever. if there is a clutch and some are going to carry the gene, and some arent, sell them at a normal (of that particular morph) price, and if that particular buyer gets lucky and has a gene carrier, best of luck and a big congrats to him. its about the hobby and having fun breeding and selling, not about money and business. by honest about it, sell poss hets as normals with an added bonus/potential.
 
Suncoast Herpetological;76 To Sharpshooter...there is only one inborn effing idiot that has posted on this thread and the rest of us have already identified you. A word of advice...newbies with smart mouths tend to get well and truly roasted here.... prior to banning :shootfoot[/QUOTE said:
Whatever you say, Jonny Boy. I guess we'll see (and taste) who's carcass is better. Or maybe not.
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reticguy76 said:
i personally, would never sell poss hets as anything more than normals, with an added potential. same risk for the buyer, goes to some extent for the seller, if you want to make more money, purchase parents that will give you 100% hets, then you can mark up your price or whatever. if there is a clutch and some are going to carry the gene, and some arent, sell them at a normal (of that particular morph) price, and if that particular buyer gets lucky and has a gene carrier, best of luck and a big congrats to him. its about the hobby and having fun breeding and selling, not about money and business. by honest about it, sell poss hets as normals with an added bonus/potential.
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Selling pos hets is a very cheap way for someone to get into a morph. Yeah, it may not luck out, but I'm sure there are plenty out there that bought a few pos het lavender balls and now have a hot new morph. It's a risk/reward scenario. If people are willing to buy pos hets for a given price then what's the problem? Nobody is being dishonest (unless they are outright liars), and a pos het is definitely more than a normal cuz it comes with a very good chance of being het for the given mutation. A normal doesn't have this even or better than 50% shot.
 
Is anybody going to bring this back to Tom Carlton or Cypress Creek Reptiles?
If not - take it to the Ball Python discussion forum....and stop the sideline bickering.
Last chance.
 
I will. As mentioned, Tom is a standup guy and at one point (back in the mid 90s) had the largest albino ball collection in the U.S. In my opinion, he's always been one of the top breeders of Ball Pythons in the U.S. I purchased my first het pieds from him in 2003 with no paperwork because I trusted his reputation. My first clutch of het to het in 2005 produced 4 Pieds from 9 eggs. You can do business with Tom and have total confidence with the transaction.

Brandon Osborne
 
If Tom Carlton is offering possible hets they probably are exactly that.

Possible hets are an affordable way to start producing morphs. its more time and work that way but enables someone on a tight budget to have a good chance at producing visible morphs.
 
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