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Tom Carlton dishonest and unethical

I don't get it.

Dan, Dan, Dan........How many deals are going to turn out like this?
 
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I don't get it.

As long as people believe what they want to Steve No matter what I say it wont do any good so why bother. Its a lost cause.
 
The Constrictor Zone said:
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I don't get it.

As long as people believe what they want to Steve No matter what I say it wont do any good so why bother. Its a lost cause.
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Dan,

After your performance on this site and with your history, are you really surprised?
 
Dan, you going to take Tom up on his offer of a lie detector test?
What do you have to lose?
 
Im not going to

argue and get mad. I posted my experience and thats it. Ive said what Ive had to say. Im just dropin in to see whats said. Thats all
 
Im through

with it. Just like everyone said KARMA. I know what happened no one else does except Tom. Im not the one on defense here. Im not accussed of this.
 
AAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, nobody beweives wittle Dan this time, that just sucks.
 
Hey Dan, maybe this would be a good time to come on here and tell us all about what a good deal you gave yourself recently. This time just remember to use a different name in your profile :>poke2<:
 
Seriously Dan, maybe if you made an effort to answer to the many allegations that have been made against you in all of your previous threads, then we could move on. But until then, why in the world should any of ever believe you. Lets say that by some incredible set of circumstances you are actually telling the truth. Well nobody cares because you never fixed your past, so now you are nothing more than the boy who cried wolf. Basically, you have zero credibility here. So in short, it may have served you well to answer those questions that were put to you.
 
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Dan, you going to take Tom up on his offer of a lie detector test?
What do you have to lose?
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Dan, Exactly as Greg has suggested, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. You are practically begging people to believe you and have the tools you need to make that happen. I still believe there are a couple of things that are unanswered.

If you are telling the truth and Tom is stretching the truth, then why in the world wouldn't you opt to accept his lie detector offer? There would be no beginning, no middle, only the end of this thread.

I have a great solution, you accept the lie detector offer, and if it does come back that you were sincere, then any comments in the future won't be so harshly critisized and one sided. The other side of the coin is, if Tom proves that everything he has said is accurate and truthfull, then you agree to leave this arena for good for wasting everyones time and giving you the benefit of the doubt on countless occaisions.

That is ultimately fair and just and if money is an issue, I will even pitch in. Naturally the reason for pitching in would be one of two things. 1) To eliminate any future posts from you that are defamatory, accusatory, and flat out untrue for good, or 2) Put someone in the light that based on their name, credentials, and time in the hobby are less likely to be objected about.

A simple solution, and should you not accept that proposal, I will forever be biased against anything and everything you post anywhere.


Jeff Morrison
5StarrMorphs
 
Go for it Dan.

This is your chance to prove once and for all what you said about being screwed in this deal.
 
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Fine dont believe me
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Cheese with your whine? :raspberry
 

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What does Dan have to gain?

NOTHING. He posts feedback for himself, end of story.

His credibility is laying in backyard and it just came from my dog.
 
Why will you not fight back Dan? If I have a few $$$$ involved I would definitely put him on the polygraph.
 
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He honestly has alot to gain. It is no mystery about Dan's past as I could easily verify one instance regarding him and myself. Aside from that, the things that don't add up for me are very simple:

We have no idea how many animals were bred by Dan's males. No way to verify it, and just short of genetically I.D' ing all the sibs, no way to find out.

Tom Ultrasounds his animals, and that in turn reduces the risk and introduction at optimum times and does not expend a male at uneccesary times. Equating to a more productive season.

Also since follicle growth is random and not calculatory, he only ends up with one sired clutch from a hypo and the use of a male that would only serve as a backup for either expenditure or lack there of. I have a few males that will breed everything and anything put in front of them. I in the same breath have males that are monogomous at best, leaving me with absolutely nothing for an entire season. Luck of the draw? Nope. Good and bad breeders? Definately.

Having said that, I am inclined to believe that one or both are not entirely being accurate. I am quite possitive Dan also didn't write down when he received the loaned spider. That question was also not addressed when Dan contradicted the date of return.

Call it what you want, but with 1000 females and an Ultrasound, I guarantee I will have hit somewhere in the 75% range at roughly 750 clutches with enough males to breed. I just do not see the benefit of borrowing an animal that I already have in my collection unless it wasn't a good breeder or was already spent.

Lastly, I have said this in a different post and I will say it again, to not know the character of someone having been in this hobby for any great length of time is ridiculous as this arena is way to small to let someone as popular as Dan slip by.

Naturally just my opinion. As I said in the previous post Dan, if money is an issue I will help and that is as unbiased as I could ever even remotely be.

Jeff Morrison
5StarrMorphs
 
Additionally

Dan I hope that you are not sitting on the sidelines, hoping that this thread spirals away from the origional topic, which was your complaint of Tom.

The stage is set, buck up or bow out.


Jeff Morrison
5StarrMorphs
 
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