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Tony Dongarra Inquiry

TONY D

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Recently there has been an attempt to call my reputation into question pertaining to my honesty in dealing with locality snakes. Most of this stems from long standing differences of opinion with a group of individuals who hold positions on the subject that are relatively extreme to mine. Even though this issue is years old, it keeps rearing it head. I'm tired of defending against this and would like to finally get to the root of the matter. As such I’d like to invite ANYONE with first person experience with me that feel’s I was not honest with them about any locality animal they got from me. Thanks in advance.
 
This is an Inquiry, Tony is asking for anyone that has bought from him to step up and say he was less than honest in his dealings with them. he also is saying that some have said otherwise and he is offering an opportunity to speak up and clear the air so to speak :)
LadyOhh said:
Well this doesn't really seem like an inquiry, now is it?
 
Most of this stems from long standing differences of opinion with a group of individuals who hold positions on the subject that are relatively extreme to mine

Tony, what is the above quote supposed to mean? What is your "position on the subject" and what exactly is the subject?
 
Tony, Im sorry, but I do not know what type of locality snakes your working with. Gray Bands? Rosies? Dwarf boas? :eek:
 
Thats a good question and I wish I had a simple answer. As an example, I tend not to breed locality pure in my hpyo coastal plains milk project and only look at locality data as a means of ensuring I'm getting unrelated stock to outcross into a line that was once quite inbred. For my purposes its sometimes OK to speculate on locality and be wrong because its in the context of a non-locality project. As the others are very serious and enthusiastic about locality snakes speculation doesn't go over well.
 
these guys are full of crap....tony would never misrepresent or sell a bad animal....he is top shelf
 
Tony

I have known you for close to ten years and consider you to be both honest and ethical. I would trust your word without question
 
Thanks Bob and John but over the years I have made mistakes and had a few who felt their expectations were not met and a couple of these continue to pop up in a certain circle. Though I feel I've done more than I should in these instances, I thought I'd give them the opportunity to publicly step forward on it.
 
I've only bought animals from Tony once: 2 Coastal Plains milks back in 2005. They are two of the most beautiful animals in my collection, not to mention they were great eaters from day one. One of them is a mixed locale (NC Coastal x MD hypo blood), but that is why I bought it so that I could pursue a hypo coastal that has the looks of the NC locale. I'll also mention that Tony has helped me many times with questions that I've had on feeding, etc for Coastals. I can highly recommend Tony and his animals.
 
TONY D said:
over the years I have made mistakes and had a few who felt their expectations were not met and a couple of these continue to pop up in a certain circle.

Tony, everybody makes mistakes as long as you do your best to correct them, what more can you do? There is always a few in every bunch/group/circle that you cannot please. It's a part of doing business.
 
In my experience Tony is one of the most knowledgable and ethical guys around.
I would expect nothing but honestly represented animals from him and would not hesitate to recommend him in any circle!

Mark Kenderdine
 
TonyD

Ive never dealt with you in regards to animals but I have found you to be a troll on the forums who has taken many cheap shots at me and others. In my opinion that speaks to a persons character and as such I wouldnt do business with you for that reason.

Keith Hillson
 
TONY D said:
Thats a good question and I wish I had a simple answer. As an example, I tend not to breed locality pure in my hpyo coastal plains milk project and only look at locality data as a means of ensuring I'm getting unrelated stock to outcross into a line that was once quite inbred. For my purposes its sometimes OK to speculate on locality and be wrong because its in the context of a non-locality project. As the others are very serious and enthusiastic about locality snakes speculation doesn't go over well.

I have nothing wrong with speculating locality in production of non locality as long as you state it as such.

IE - I'm breeding a locality cal king to an unknown origin amel cal king.
The amel has traits that appear to me to indicate a predominantly southern california genetic history. You can see SoCal influence in the head pattern and in the tail pattern, for example. Specifying her as a SoCal king would be incorrect, specifying she shows SoCal traits is correct however.

If you call a snake of unknown origin a locality specimen, that I think is wrong. If you say it has the appearance of a given locality, I think that is fine.

What's really funny though - locality snakes are often line bred, and sometimes no longer represent the actual locality. IE you can take a snake from the wild at a specific locality - and sometimes it will look nothing like the line bred snakes from that locality sold in the pet trade. Try going to Davis, CA and finding a Cal King that looks like the Davis locality in the pet trade. They are there, but not common. I suspect the same is true with other locales.

I've got two male normal looking Redding locale cal kings. This year I found a female with an unusual belly. Actually I found two - but only kept one (bag limit). After 3 or 4 generations of selective line breeding, the locale snakes I'll be offering will likely be unusual representatives of the locale - and may even be bred to extreme that isn't found here.

People tend to keep and breed the unusual from a locale.

Anyway - my opinion, if it resembles a locale there is nothing wrong with claiming it resembles a locale. As long as you note it resembles the locale and can't be traced to the locale. That's my opinion.
 
:thumbsup: Tony is an honest a person as you can find. A long time ago I bough an adult pair of red mole kings from his and they were absolutely the best looking mole's i've ever seen. I wish I still had those snakes. Tony is honest and knowledgable. :thumbsup:
 
Michael I agree with you post, the thing I've learned is never assume the other guy understands you are speculating. Be very specific.
 
now

getula said:
Ive never dealt with you in regards to animals but I have found you to be a troll on the forums who has taken many cheap shots at me and others. In my opinion that speaks to a persons character and as such I wouldnt do business with you for that reason.

Keith Hillson

NOW THATS FUNNY :D :rofl: :D (considering the source)
FTR i have never done business with tony but surely would not hesitate to do so or refer people to him. like someone else said tony's top notch :thumbsup: ,,,,,,,,thomas davis
 
That I clash with a few personalities on the forums I think is an understatement but please I don't want this to be sidetracked on that issue.
 
That I clash with a few personalities on the forums I think is an understatement but please I don't want this to be sidetracked on that issue.

Tony, I am having a tough time figuring out why this is on the BIO. Are you trying to get into a locality/morph debate? You don't want to be sidetracked with issues that others have with you on other boards. So what are you after here? BTW - once you put it on the BIO you really don't get to choose what happens from then on.

This entire thread is cryptic. It seems there a few insiders that know what's going on but that leaves the rest of us in the dark.IMO
 
In my opinion Tony posted this thread to see how many people love him. Knowing full well his guys will support him and give him some warm fuzzies. I have no problem with that I dont think he is a bad guy or is dishonest I just think he is not a nice person and I choose not to do business with guys like that.

Thomas please get ahold of yourself having you chime in is like that small kid that hung around the bully in the flick "A Christmas Story". You just buzz in like a tiny insignificant bully with worthless comments after the big boys have debated or argued for awhile.
 
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