Bad Guy Tony121204/Anthony Pappas is a scammer

[hhmoore]

Fangthane, it is all about who you know, obviously that's why the thread has been started. Like they said why not just call and ask them all yourselves I happen to know these people in one way or another and I have been reading this whole thread and a lot of it is self explanatory. But it is all about who you know. Like this one it seems. I may seem out of place for posting here but I mean why are some issues dropped quick if it's a personal friend to people on the board, like a lot of these threads a lot of picking and choosing no?

Mr Pierce,
As of the last time I checked (2 hrs ago), you had not supplied the requested ID confirmation - I suggest you refrain from posting further until you address that matter.

 

[hhmoore]

Excuse me? No. Sam posted what he has. I know no differently. IF SOMEBODY ELSE KNOWS SOMETHING ELSE. THEN POST IT.

You know quite well, Moo, that we don't always lay everything on the table...especially when there are loose ends and uncertain connections. All in good time; but, in the meantime, were still trying to prevent further scams from taking place.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

You know quite well, Moo, that we don't always lay everything on the table...especially when there are loose ends and uncertain connections. All in good time; but, in the meantime, were still trying to prevent further scams from taking place.

Yes, but when people are going at the throats of people like sam, its absolutely infuriating when they alienate these people before they even have a chance to really post. Then drive them from posting further by being complete insufferable wads.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

its like, welp, you just ruined THAT entire chance.

 

[hhmoore]

By the way, Mr Pierce, I would like to reply to your post...but I will wait until your ID is received (or until the clock runs out).

 

[Robert Walker]

I believe ultimately most of us here are trying to get to the same point.

Some what the scammer found and future scams prevented.
Some what to prove that Scott is not the scammer.

If we can find the scammer, then that proves Scott is innocent. Both parties win, correct?

Some believe the scammer is still at large.
Some believe the scammer has been identified already.

If the scammer has already been identified, can someone with that belief, please fill in the blanks and give some kind of reference material: screenshot, receipt, shipping label, etc. I added two male slots to be sure we aren't missing anyone.

Male
Name:
Full Address:
Phone Number:
Email:

Male
Name:
Full Address:
Phone Number:
Email:

Female
Name:
Full Address:
Phone Number:
Email:

Feelings have been hurt, pride stepped on and exchanges that could have been avoided weren't. I am happy to share in the blame. Moving forward we can either again work together and get this over with, or we can fight among ourselves. I'm sure the tone of posts that follow this one will probably help let us know if we are going to work together or not. We also invite Scott to help fill in the blanks as well since he has first hand knowledge.

If no one can fill in the blanks above, then it is fair to say the scammer has not successfully been found and we continue digging wherever the digging takes us.

 

[Snake-Queen]

There appears to be another name in this convoluted saga ... per the screenshot attached, the signed name appears to be Alex or starts with ALEX ... I would be curious to see the entire signature.

 

[Robert Walker]

Some what the scammer found and future scams prevented.
Some what to prove that Scott is not the scammer.

Sorry long day... "Some want the..."

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

There appears to be another name in this convoluted saga ... per the screenshot attached, the signed name appears to be Alex or starts with ALEX ... I would be curious to see the entire signature.

That says AGENT SIGNATURE at the bottom. Whatever that means.

 

[LauraB]

Uh, that would be the Western Union agent who handled the transaction.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Ah ...
I misread then.

I've not dealt with western union before


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[Mooing Tricycle]

Uh, that would be the Western Union agent who handled the transaction.

Yep, here, can post this. I have never used them, so i have no idea what the layout/procedure is for them. So i dont like to say without knowing. But, here.

 

[Snake-Queen]

It's so weird that Kate E. Ellis is all over the place in this thread, the only person that seems real …


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[Pasodama]

There appears to be another name in this convoluted saga ... per the screenshot attached, the signed name appears to be Alex or starts with ALEX ... I would be curious to see the entire signature.

That would be the Western Union Agent's signature.
There should be another line for the Customer's signature (which is missing in the screen shot).

 

[Pasodama]

Yep, here, can post this. I have never used them, so i have no idea what the layout/procedure is for them. So i dont like to say without knowing. But, here.

Ah, there it is.
Thank you, for posting that. Was wanting to see that portion.

 

[Pasodama]

There is a Kate Ellis-Larkin (don't know middle name) that resides/resided in Matawan, NJ. There is info that a Antonio/Anthony Pino lives with her or used to live with her.
I have not found anything, as of this time, that links this Kate, with this scam, though. So, she may have no involvement at all. Where this is just an interesting coincidence, and dead end, or ....

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

There are two people named Kate Ellis with Matawan connections. One is in her 50s. The other in her 20s. Supposedly, anyway. The older one has a bunch of different versions of her names when listed in different databases. The younger one seems to have Kate E Ellis as the only associated name that is readily found.

If Delta was used, they ask for an ID. They may or may not accept an expired one, though.

It has been a long time since I sent money to anyone via WU, so I do not know about ID with them. I do not remember providing one back in the day.

 

[Mistyck]

There are two people named Kate Ellis with Matawan connections. One is in her 50s. The other in her 20s. Supposedly, anyway. The older one has a bunch of different versions of her names when listed in different databases. The younger one seems to have Kate E Ellis as the only associated name that is readily found.

If Delta was used, they ask for an ID. They may or may not accept an expired one, though.

It has been a long time since I sent money to anyone via WU, so I do not know about ID with them. I do not remember providing one back in the day.

I did a quick search and this is what I found: https://thewesternunion.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/363/kw/do%20you%20need%20an%20id%20to%20send%20money/related/1

Forms of Identification
Published 06/25/2012 12:43 PM | Updated 07/24/2013 09:08 AM
What forms of identification are allowed to pick up or send a money transfer?

The following are considered valid forms of Government Issued photo ID:
-State issued driver's license
-State issued identification care
-Government issued passport/tourist card
-Government ID w/ photo, or
-Alien ID.

All identification will be reviewed by the Agent at the time of presentment to ensure it is valid.

So it's quite possible that an ID was used to send the money, and it looks like it had to be a valid ID...

 

[Dennis Hultman]

There are two people named Kate Ellis with Matawan connections. One is in her 50s. The other in her 20s. Supposedly, anyway. The older one has a bunch of different versions of her names when listed in different databases. The younger one seems to have Kate E Ellis as the only associated name that is readily found.

If Delta was used, they ask for an ID. They may or may not accept an expired one, though.

It has been a long time since I sent money to anyone via WU, so I do not know about ID with them. I do not remember providing one back in the day.

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I would have responded just privately to this but what you state goes to the heart of this thread. Who you really are.

Private messages just sent.

You stated in this very thread that it was a scam, that's why you deleted the ads. Now you're stating its not and you want it deleted because you fulfilled your initial promise to supply what you advertised?

You stated under this username that you were the father and that it was your son that did the scamming and you were fixing it. Now you are stating the other username is your step-father, That makes you the son that did the initial scamming and posting of ads. Does it not?

If he truly is your stepfather then he has none to blame but you. You caused this nobody here.

While I sympathize with the person that is trying to get full restitution from you, were not going to sit by and let you make a mockery of the rules on this site.

Until you both present a valid picture ID with your correct names both accounts will be banned.

Not our problem.

So you posted the ads both on your step fathers account and this one because they are identical. Both accounts acted like they didn't know each other and now you are shipping and contacting people under the same number.

You're responsible for any headaches about your name and reputation. So don't give me grief about what you have done.

You stated on the thread that it was your son that did all of this and he was scamming people. That you were fixing it.

Now your the son?

But let me tell you, I have looked at the communication between both accounts and there is zero doubt that some of the communication on both accounts is coming from the same person.

That is also against the sites rules.
The accounts are being shared regardless.

Send a valid photo ID or don't bother coming back. That goes for both you and your other self. If it's your stepfather then he just has you to blame.

Also, you are the one using the name Kate Ellis in your communication with buyers, paypal and shipping out.
So what do you mean about the name Kate Ellis being used is a violation? You are the one using it. Just another violation on your part your admitting?


Matter of fact, the only link we have to a real name here is that one. It's on the mailing labels. Delta dash requires the ID so I'm assuming she had to provide it? Why else would you use the name to ship? Can't supply your own ID? Why? You got really upset when the name was posted on the forum then you shipped out under that name. That name seems to be touchy with you to have it removed but you keep using it when you have to supply payment information and shipping.

Kate Ellis is the name used on PayPal. It really is the only solid name that links these Alias' together. Are you really Kate Ellis? I don't know but I'm not standing here trying to figure it. Let the BOI handle it.

The information will not be deleted.

The more I think about the more I think the name Kate Ellis has a greater significance. After-all, It is the email address that "Tony's" account used to register on this site. This whole transaction centers around that name and the profile here.

 

[Robert Walker]

Running paid background checks right now on several items.

Top Signature: Delta Dash shipment to Rick
Bottom Signature: Western Union

Background check does bring up a: Michael Andrew Ellis at the address Kate has been listing.