Bad Guy Tony121204/Anthony Pappas is a scammer

[KEllis1209]

Anthony asked for the picture and I allowed him to use my email and I agreed to send and receive packages not knowing what was going on. I was seeing him sending out animals and receiving animals and I sent out western union's and received, so it looked legit from my perspective. When I became aware of things, I made it very clear that when he was released, there is no more illegal bullshit. I do not tolerate it nor do I want my son or family around it. I gave him another chance to be a normal citizen to society and pray he's learned his lesson by the time he's released from prison. I understand how you can feel the way you do, but I am just trying to make it right. And I did state I'd like to speak to those who were victimised by his actions. I don't have $1200 ,but I can definitely make some kind of payment arrangement. I didn't just come on here to spew a bunch of bullshit. I came on here to address the situation and make things right as much as I can. I should have looked into things a little closer back then and maybe I could have prevented it from happening, but I didn't and I regret that. I never would have imagined what was going on right under my nose to be what it was. Which is part of the reason I feel guilty and came on in the first place.
I'm going to look back through the thread and private message people individualindividually. Also, the difference between sending a photo then and now is that a sign would be held up stating something to prove its the same person typing as who's holding the sign. I think that'd be the only way as well as actually resolving the issues instead of just talking about them.

 

[Michael Brown]

Anthony asked for the picture and I allowed him to use my email and I agreed to send and receive packages not knowing what was going on. I was seeing him sending out animals and receiving animals and I sent out western union's and received, so it looked legit from my perspective. When I became aware of things, I made it very clear that when he was released, there is no more illegal bullshit. I do not tolerate it nor do I want my son or family around it. I gave him another chance to be a normal citizen to society and pray he's learned his lesson by the time he's released from prison. I understand how you can feel the way you do, but I am just trying to make it right. And I did state I'd like to speak to those who were victimised by his actions. I don't have $1200 ,but I can definitely make some kind of payment arrangement. I didn't just come on here to spew a bunch of bullshit. I came on here to address the situation and make things right as much as I can. I should have looked into things a little closer back then and maybe I could have prevented it from happening, but I didn't and I regret that. I never would have imagined what was going on right under my nose to be what it was. Which is part of the reason I feel guilty and came on in the first place.
I'm going to look back through the thread and private message people individualindividually. Also, the difference between sending a photo then and now is that a sign would be held up stating something to prove its the same person typing as who's holding the sign. I think that'd be the only way as well as actually resolving the issues instead of just talking about them.

I know this will go against the grain in regards to the general consciousness of this thread, but I commend your attempt to make things right after all of this time, if you are indeed who you say you are of course. Not sure this is a battle you can win, due to all of the lying and deception that has already taken place (in this thread). Regardless still noble imo.

I personally don't believe in guilty by association (with regards to character). That being said, your reputation will inevitably be linked to your fiance by the majority (with good reason). "Fixing" the mistakes he made with your help (willingly or unknowingly) is a great step in the right direction.

This thread is humongous. I read it from the beginning and I am still kind of lost as to what is still "owed". I could be wrong, but I don't believe that Mr. Green is owed $1,200 correct? He received 2 torts, 1 of which was accurate, the other not accurate + sick. I recognize this took much more time than expected and was a massive headache.

Perhaps we can compile a list of individuals + contact info that are still in the "wrong" in an attempt to speed up the process? Just a thought

 

[Robert Walker]

I can definitely make some kind of payment arrangement...I'm going to look back through the thread and private message people individualindividually.

I'll be the first to tip my hat to you once the victim(s) come here and post that they received their refunds from you. Please understand, that we have already heard this all before previously in the thread. So some of us error on the side of caution until said time occurs.

 

[KEllis1209]

I even offered to send Ricky money back after shipping the turtles I contacted robert and emailed him and said I needed one more day. So what is the real scam here?

I know this will go against the grain in regards to the general consciousness of this thread, but I commend your attempt to make things right after all of this time, if you are indeed who you say you are of course. Not sure this is a battle you can win, due to all of the lying and deception that has already taken place (in this thread). Regardless still noble imo.

I personally don't believe in guilty by association (with regards to character). That being said, your reputation will inevitably be linked to your fiance by the majority (with good reason). "Fixing" the mistakes he made with your help (willingly or unknowingly) is a great step in the right direction.

This thread is humongous. I read it from the beginning and I am still kind of lost as to what is still "owed". I could be wrong, but I don't believe that Mr. Green is owed $1,200 correct? He received 2 torts, 1 of which was accurate, the other not accurate + sick. I recognize this took much more time than expected and was a massive headache.

Perhaps we can compile a list of individuals + contact info that are still in the "wrong" in an attempt to speed up the process? Just a thought

I agree, that it's hard to just believe what I am saying initially because of all the previous non sense and similar things being said with no actions to back it up. The phrase , "Actions speak louder than words" fits well in this situation. I've contacted Mr. Green via private message and I sent him a text so he and I can go over the details of the original deal that was made and what actually came of it. I also agree that this thread is extremely wrong and it's hard to keep up with it because some posts were deleted and I don't know the details of certain subjects. However, I do believe there was a man named Sam that received $550 via Western Union as part of a refund, but I don't think that was all that was supposed to be returned. I think it'd be very helpful if a list were made up on who I need to speak to.
I am no where near wealthy and it's going to take me awhile to get this all taken care of,but I'm definitely going to get it started. The sooner I get it going, the sooner it will be completed. I feel extremely guilty and I am full of regrets because I felt I should have did some digging back then and maybe I could have prevented things from happening. I understand the feeling of working hard, every single day for the money I've made and to have it taken away under false pretenses. It's a very shitty feeling.

 

[KEllis1209]

I'll be the first to tip my hat to you once the victim(s) come here and post that they received their refunds from you. Please understand, that we have already heard this all before previously in the thread. So some of us error on the side of caution until said time occurs.

I understand completely. Is there a way I would be able to easily find out who is owed what and whom I should speak to? Or should I just look back through the thread? Like I said, it's going to be a time consuming process, so I'd like to get the ball rolling.

 

[hhmoore]

this thread is extremely wrong and it's hard to keep up with it because some posts were deleted and I don't know the details of certain subjects.

Kate, I just skimmed this entire thread - there were approx 6 posts removed... absolutely none of which contained anything of importance to this situation.

 

[KEllis1209]

I wasn't sure because it looked like some posts were missing and I wasn't sure if they were important. I contacted Mr Green. And I saw the man named Sam was refunded and it appeared that was the total amount he was owed. If I'm wrong, please correct me.is there anyone I may have missed? I'd appreciate the help. Thanks

 

[KEllis1209]

I wanted to add something else real quick. On page 47, Dennis Hultmen stated that one of the accounts, not sure if it was the Dnareptiles or the tony account, but they're the same person so it doesn't really matter which one said it, but they were upset that my name (Kate Ellis) was being mentioned in the threads. And the reason for that was because I was not involved or aware of what was going on, he didn't want my name out there with the chances of people thinking I personally was the one scamming because I obviously had to show valid ID to send and receive via Delta and Western Union. And then when Layla0511 came on as "Kate Ellis" , they didn't seem to be too upset that their name was being used as a part of a scam. And I find that odd because the way I reacted when I found out about this thread was not at all how they sounded. Which was what seemed like to be a calmly manor and just casually coming on to "clear up some things " as well as using "LOL's" and things like that. Anthony knew I would have been livid and embarrassed if I knew my name was all over the Internet for something that involved stealing money and endless lies. That's why he freaked out initially.
Especially, because when I was sending and receiving packages and Western Unions, I didn't know the truth behind it. From my perspective, I was seeing animals being sent and received as well as sending and receiving money via Western Union. So, to me it didn't raise any red flags. To me, it seems obvious that Layla0511 is the same person as the Dnareptiles and Tony account. All three accounts type exactly the same. And the Layla one is trying too hard to sound different so it's coming out all wrong.
I just wanted to add my thoughts because I keep going back and re reading things and trying to put some pieces together for my own reasons. I'm still trying to fathom why anyone would do any of this in the first place.

 

[KEllis1209]

Oh and by the way, just cause it is mentioned on the same page I was speaking about in my previous post. Michael A Ellis is my older brother. He is a real person.

 

[Snake-Queen]

I'm still trying to fathom why anyone would do any of this in the first place.

That would be a good question to ask your fiancé when you visit him. He is the one who posed as you.

If you can't see that he was using you, I feel sorry for you.

It's nice that you have offered to make those who were scammed by Anthony whole; I will believe it when one of those affected parties posts here that payment has been made.



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[KEllis1209]

I made a mistake on the page number, by the way. It was page 42, not 47.

 

[KEllis1209]

That would be a good question to ask your fiancé when you visit him. He is the one who posed as you.

If you can't see that he was using you, I feel sorry for you.

It's nice that you have offered to make those who were scammed by Anthony whole; I will believe it when one of those affected parties posts here that payment has been made.



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I have reached out to Richard Green, I spoke with him on the phone the other day for some time and explained my end of the story. He appreciated my call and said that was enough for him that I took the time to reach out after all this time and declined my offer to come up with a payment arrangement for him to get back what he is owed. I insisted on still doing something and I'm going to push the issue with him because it's the right thing to do. I'm still trying to find other people that were scammed, but it's taking some time to do so.
Also, I asked Anthony the day I found out about this website why he did all this behind my back and how betrayed, hurt, embarrassed, etc. I felt. Well, the reason he's in jail is because of theft charges and his problem is he's addicted to money and making it fast. And if that means stealing people's hard earned money in the meantime, he'd do so. And under our specific circumstances we were under at the time, according to him, the options were limited on how to make enough money to run the life he was living. Bottom line, there is no excuse and it is not acceptable no matter what way you look at it. I just explained that I hope he does enough time behind bars to realize his mistakes and own up to them. And when he's released, it will not be tolerated in my life. We have a son together and I believe everyone deserves a second chance. It's worth it to me to give him the opportunity to do the right thing so our son can have a decent life and grow up in a normal environment. I understand if some don't agree with my decisions, but I think these kind of flaws can be fixed with the right kind of help. Also, there is a lot to lose if he decided to return to his old ways. I would hope his child would be more important than a quick buck.

 

[Snake-Queen]

I do hope you are right, but I've seen men like him before … they only love 2 things, money & themselves.

I would think more about your son & the values he is raised with, than trying to save a scam artist. I wouldn't want one of my sons to grow up thinking that taking money from people is acceptable.


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[texassaddleman]

I said I didn't want to take food from your son while you were trying to pay me for his mistakes. If your situation is as you discribed, I don't see how you could pay me back without negatively affecting your son. And if what you say is true your not responsible. If your boyfriend wants to make it right when he gets out that would be great but I consider that money lost and never expect to see it again. Sorry, I don't think he will change and I don't think anyone else does either. Good luck to you but I don't think I would waist any more of your time on him, find someone you can trust and move on. How much of your life will you have waisted on him if in a few years you find out that we are all correct?

 

[KEllis1209]

I understand what you're saying. I'd just like to think there's room for change and I wouldn't feel right if I didn't give him a second chance to do the right things. Once you're in the situation, it's not as easy to just give up. Especially, with a child involved. I want my son to grow up learning respect and manners. I want him to be surrounded by stability and be a normal, happy, boring family. I grew up with parents that were divorced at the age of two and I'd like to at least try to keep us whole before just giving up. If I end up to be proven wrong, then there's only one option left.

 

[KEllis1209]

I said I didn't want to take food from your son while you were trying to pay me for his mistakes. If your situation is as you discribed, I don't see how you could pay me back without negatively affecting your son. And if what you say is true your not responsible. If your boyfriend wants to make it right when he gets out that would be great but I consider that money lost and never expect to see it again. Sorry, I don't think he will change and I don't think anyone else does either. Good luck to you but I don't think I would waist any more of your time on him, find someone you can trust and move on. How much of your life will you have waisted on him if in a few years you find out that we are all correct?

I appreciate your consideration, but like I said previously, I feel like I should have been nosey and looked into things better back then and maybe I could have prevented so much from happening. I understand your opinion, but as I said in the post above, I have to at least try and I guess I grew up differently than some. I think people with issues like that need help as well as love and support in order to change. I'm sure some people never change, I know that. I'm just being hopeful, but I also am not naive and will not tolerate nonsense around myself or my child. If he doesn't change, at least I could say I tried, ya know.

 

[KEllis1209]

You realize that you make no sense. It doesn't matter if you didn't know, you LET HIM USE YOU! If you lay with dogs, you're going to get fleas. So You KNEW he couldn't use HIS identity to legally do any of the above things you said; but it was ok for him to use YOUR identity and yet you still see nothing wrong with that?



For you to still try to explain why what he did was ok, and still want to be associated with him and all his crud; then I have absolutely no sympathy or empathy for your name being drug through the mud. As I said before; if you're willing to lay with the dogs, then you're willing to get the fleas.

Just to make another point; if you were pregnant during all of this and you willingly are putting your child in contact with this con-artist, then you're just as bad as him. As a mother you should want MORE for your child. You shouldn't want them to grow up thinking all this illegal BS is ok. But something tells me you don't give a crap either way, and you just want to "clear" your name so your fiance can use it again to do even more illegal crap. Good luck to you, you're going to need it because not just anyone is going to believe you and this spiel you're trying to sell.

I understand your opinion, but until you've lived certain situations, you don't know what you'd do or wouldn't do. I do not ever want my son around illegal BS nor do I want him to think its okay to do anything like this. I have stated several times that I do not condone the scamming, stealing, etc. and there is one opportunity and one opportunity only to be given to prove that he has changed. When a person decides they want to marry someone and raise a family together and spend their lives together, to me that consists of, sticking together through thick and thin, good or bad. As well as, not giving up on your spouse. If they have a problem, it wouldn't be the wrong thing to do to try to help them get better and support them through their issues. That doesn't mean support their mistakes, it means support the recovery process. It is possible it could be too late, but to just decide that they don't deserve a chance to do right, isn't fair.
I trusted him when I allowed him to use my name. I didn't expect it to be for scams. Maybe, everyone doesn't understand where I am coming from. But, I could not just read this thread and not do anything about it. It has nothing to do with clearing my name so it can be used for future scams. My intentions are no where near anything like that. And not once, did I justify or state that it was okay to do what he did. I don't know why you were under that impression that I thought it was okay. I explained the situation, I think pretty clear enough for everyone to understand. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I am not disagreeing with anyone's opinions. I am simply just saying what I personally believe and I am entitled to that just as much as everyone else is entitled to believe what they're stating.
Maybe, everyone is right and I am wrong or maybe not. One day, the truth will come out on its own and it is what it is at the end of the day. But, at least I can say I had tried and that's all that counts to me. It'd be worth the time and effort I would have wasted, but I believe not trying to help someone in need would be wrong.

Also, I don't expect everyone to just instantly believe everything I'm saying. I understand there is going to be hesitation. At the end of the day, I know the truth and I am keeping up with my word the best I can to contact the necessary people.

 

[LauraB]

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Also, I don't expect everyone to just instantly believe everything I'm saying. I understand there is going to be hesitation. At the end of the day, I know the truth and I am keeping up with my word the best I can to contact the necessary people.

Yep, you are correct, Kate. All the blah, blah, blah about your precious son, second chances and ignorance to your partner's activities is almost laughable, especially given your own drug possession (freaking heroine/coke!) and conspiracy charges back in January of this year ... sheesh. Half the family is now in jail. All of you are such good role models for your precious son, yeah

Good of you to own up and try to make amends with those robbed, but please stop with playing the victim card. You want to be a good parent to your son, then freaking do it and leave the shite behind ... and by shite, I mean the shite that are now incarcerated. And stop making excuses for that bunch of dishonorable, disrespectful and dishonest people.

And yeah ... I know all about "certain situations". I need no education. It's about common sense and choices.

You've not helped your or your conspirators case here since this thread was started. I guess you now realize that in real life and in virtual life, the bad guys are always outed and nabbed in the end Common sense and choices.

 

[LauraB]

Sorry, hit "enter" when I intended to just "preview". At any rate, please continue to work with the scam/robbery victims, Kate. That IS a start.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Kate, while I do believe some of your aims come with a difficult road that may not ultimately be probable for reasons of patterns of human behavior (I am not sure the perpetrating party here will ever pass the "marshmallow test"), I find your advances to make restitution with the negatively impacted persons to be respectable and the way you have been maintaining your responses here have been cool-headed despite the encounters of resistance. I recognize this and appreciate it for what it is worth, as it would have been all too easy to default in the other direction.