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Top Shelf Exotics (Inquiry)

Jim that was sort of the point of bringing it up. I remember all the post when the system changed from people asking what happened to their Rep power.. If the person who gives you karma has a number of points you get more and less from someone with few or none ETC ETC I was just mentioning the more points than post as an example of how it seems to be abused.

Take Chris's Karma as an example.. Many here have stated that they didn't like him ETC ETC and dang he sure made some obnoxious post here on many occasions yet I'd bet dollars to donuts that many of his points came from those who feared him here and others that just wanted to be nice to the bully.

I've had someone hit me with negative Karma for something that happened on another forum and they hit a post of mine that was months old and had received numerous positive comments from other members.

I believe I've left Karma for you Jim. I leave positive feedback for post that I think were important or made a good point ETC... OK and a couple because they were really funny.

So I for one don't just assume someone is a swell person just by the number of Karma points they have. Randy
 
Randy,
I thank you for any points given ! I think it goes without speaking that far more folks take the initiative to give out good points rather than bad, if only as a courtesy, and negative rep points sometimes escalate mini-wars. But the reputation level next to the Karma, those lit dots, is a more accurate reflection of how someone conducts themselves and writes here than just the Karma power number.
 
Fund Update

I wanted to post an update on the money collected, and give a Big Thank You and some recognition to the folks who went that extra mile for others in the Herp community.

100.00 - Ian S.
100.00 - Mike Derks, Whitewater Reptiles
50.00 - Bobby Hill, Varnyard Reptiles
50.00 - Casey Hulse, Natures Spirit Reptiles & Snake Shacks
100.00 - Shelly Dougherty, Lizard Lair
100.00 - Bob England, Tejas Chaos Reptiles

Let's not forget about the Good People that have put up some really nice animals and items on the Fraud Fund Auction, being hosted by Critter Auctions. I don't want to forget to thank Critter Auctions, who created a section just for the Fraud Fund Auction. And last but not least all the fine people who have posted on this thread. I know I speak for the others when I say "It's feels good to get this kind of support, after feeling like you were the only one for so long." Thanks, I won't forget.

PS - Chris this is all for YOU, buddy! :uzi:
 
Greg Riso said:
Where do I go to donate money for HIS lawyer? J/K LOL :raspberry
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That's what people have been donating to for the last 6 to 8 months.....
 
Fund update

tejasranger said:
I wanted to post an update on the money collected, and give a Big Thank You and some recognition to the folks who went that extra mile for others in the Herp community.

100.00 - Ian S.
100.00 - Mike Derks, Whitewater Reptiles
50.00 - Bobby Hill, Varnyard Reptiles
50.00 - Casey Hulse, Natures Spirit Reptiles & Snake Shacks
100.00 - Shelly Dougherty, Lizard Lair
100.00 - Bob England, Tejas Chaos Reptiles

Let's not forget about the Good People that have put up some really nice animals and items on the Fraud Fund Auction, being hosted by Critter Auctions. I don't want to forget to thank Critter Auctions, who created a section just for the Fraud Fund Auction. And last but not least all the fine people who have posted on this thread. I know I speak for the others when I say "It's feels good to get this kind of support, after feeling like you were the only one for so long." Thanks, I won't forget.

PS - Chris this is all for YOU, buddy! :uzi:
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More Great folks to thank:

50.00 - Bill Leverton - Clearwater Reptiles
50.00 - Golden Gate Geckos

Thank you Both, Bob E.
 
Critter Auction Question

Help,
Am I responsable for coordinating the transactions with winners of these Fraud Fund Auctions, or is that going to be handled by the sellers? If you are paying for an auction through "[email protected]", please include the auction info so we can be sure to get the right item to the right person.
Thanks, Bob E.

PS - There is some really nice stuff on these auctions. Those Geckos are cute.
 
Update- TSE Het List

I have sent out an email to the list of people I have who have purchased hets from TSE. If you didn't get the email it is because I don't have your contact info. Please send me an email or PM with the details of your deal including your contact info. I have received a few PMs from people who did not forward me their information. Every name counts and the potential damage toll is rising with each person added to the list so make sure you get involved before we move forward.

With all of the great donations from people affected by this issue as well as sympathetic members of the herp community we should be able to move quickly and let the mighty hammer of justice swing swiftly and mercilessly. Wow, that was very cliche... I felt like Oliver Wendell Douglas on Green Acres... the only thing that was missing was the Battle Hymn of the Republic playing in the background.

-Jason Northam
 
Jason, this is good information that

you are providing, the problem is I am uncertain as to how you deal with the person who has their own suspicions about their snake purchase and decides to attempt to sell their snakes as they purchased them! In actuallity, perpetuating a fraud to recoup their loss.
 
Reselling TSE Hets

Jerry, one can only hope that nobody is taking the 'easy' way out of this by passing their 'hets' along to an unsuspecting party. I don't know of anyone that has those intentions. If I end up having to eat the money, I will but I would rather have Chris Johnson make good on his deals (assuming that he has sold us all normals) or at the very least be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

-Jason
 
Chris "Derma Ball" Posts

Comment Date: August 11, 2005


First......... DITCH THE FRIGGIN CAPSLOCK. ITS ANNOYING.


:)

By the way, care to tell me how something you have not proven genetic is being marketed recessive, even offered for sale in heterozygous form? You do not even know what type of trait it is! Nothing has been proven! For all you know it could be a simple NON GENETIC flaw........... It may be different, hell... Some people may even like it. But guess what? You still have to do the same work everyone else does in this hobby before you go cashing in on something. Only a lowlife would potentially sell someone related animals as "hets" when you have NO IDEA whether they will prove or not. Confidence does not count! Who the hell cares if some moron gave you $1 or $100,000..... Personally I would not pay a dime for anything like that unless I knew it was indeed genetic, and proven. Not to mention you have not even bred the animal yet....... How the hell did you produce your imaginary "hets"
Not that I would purchase a flaw like that anyways, but that is besides the point. To each their own... Regardless, you may have the derma, but you're still scamming people. Unless you have PROVEN this genetic, I'd recommend simply asking for breeders support or assistance with the project, don't go placing pricetags on things that are unproven. Talk about destroying your reputation..... lol

Sure, ask people to fork over tens of thousands of dollars for something that is simply unknown at this point. You're either very dumb, or very naive.

So. With all that said about your imaginary hets....

What are you? A) Psychic or B) Stupid, Which is it? (you can only choose one, or both if you like)

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Comment Date: August 15, 2005


Yes, but I am sure the person Jeremy stone bought his new line of motley boas from was not claiming them to be genetic or selling "hets" when nothing was proven now was he?

The bottom line is you do not claim anything to be genetic or sell "hets" of an unproen trait........ It is simply not done. He has no idea whether or not they are REALLY hets.At least advertised it correctly, and worst of all he has stated he has not even bred this derma. WHERE THE HELL DID THE "HETS" come from?

Wait, I know...... CB normals...... The mystery is solved.

Please learn how to read before replying, you missed the argument behind this entire topic.

This is a SCAM. Buyer Beware!

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Comment Date: August 15, 2005


I cant say I'm a fan. I can certainly say it should not be marketed as a morph, more obviously a flaw. I'm one of the types that dosent exactly like culling flaws on a whim. If it can live comfortably, the flaw does not effect its ability to live a happy life, and I can ensure it does not enter someone elses hands with the intentions of breeding I'm liable to keep such animals around as pets or "mascots" :)


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Man Chris, I'll bet you would like to go back in time and remove those posts. Being the ethicial man that you are. You know even with your many "Flaws", Chris, I might make you my "Mascot". :reddevil:
 
KNOBTAIL said:
you are providing, the problem is I am uncertain as to how you deal with the person who has their own suspicions about their snake purchase and decides to attempt to sell their snakes as they purchased them! In actuallity, perpetuating a fraud to recoup their loss.
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I was thinking the exact same thing. I am willing to take the loss on the "hets" I already have in my possession from TSE if they indeed were to prove to be het for nothing, I refuse to pass them on to someone else without knowing.

Unless, of course, someone sells them for the price of "normals", I just can't see how anyone in good conscience could sell them to anyone at this point.
 
KNOBTAIL said:
you are providing, the problem is I am uncertain as to how you deal with the person who has their own suspicions about their snake purchase and decides to attempt to sell their snakes as they purchased them! In actuallity, perpetuating a fraud to recoup their loss.
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Anyone who has acknowledged this thread would be acting with 'reckless disregard of the truth' by representing that they had hets, which in many states is enough scienter for liability.

If you knew or should have known that your animals were not the real MsCoy, perpetrating the fraud further by misrepresentation is illegal in a number of jurisdictions.
 
Of course, we have not seen lots of eggs hatch: should they BE hets there would be no problem selling them as such, time will tell.
 
Did I miss the post where it was proven that his Hets were fakes? Or are we speaking hypothetically? I skipped the last 10 pages or so since the "view first unread" button hasn't worked since the poll was added and work caused me to fall behind on the reading. The last I saw no one had come forward with any eggs that had hatched yet, and even then I think proving them fake will take several breeding seasons.
 
lucille said:
Of course, we have not seen lots of eggs hatch: should they BE hets there would be no problem selling them as such, time will tell.
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Agreed Lucille......but as things stand now, I cannot see someone selling them as 100% hets. I know my conscience would not allow me to do such a thing.

Of course, lord knows I'm hoping they DO prove out, but once again, I'm not holding my breath. :rolleyes:
 
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