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Of course he is reading the thread. I don't think anyone had any doubts about that one. He is reading as a "guest".

He needs to be up to date on what people plan on doing about his scam, so that he can plan ahead. He also needs to be on the up and up about all his lies that get discovered...so that he will have new excuses ready for each one.

He is reading alright.
 
Rich said""I don't believe anyone could disprove bad luck as a "without a shadow of a doubt" defense.""
In a criminal case you must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt but in a Civil case it is what is most likely to be true. As an example OJ beat the murder charge but in civil court he got nailed.

So it depends on where you go after Chris and it's unlikely the het issue would be a criminal matter so in Civil court on that issue he'd have the pooch doing bad things to him instead of the other way around. Well if the hets don't prove out. Randy
 
Are you guys absolutely sure both e-mails originated from the same house? Because one came from Glenn on 10/24/05 at 12:14 pm and reads:

----- Original Message -----
From: Top Shelf Exotics
To: 'Alvaro Garcia'
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Sumatran black blood

Hello Dan, We accept cash, credit cards, and e-checks through PayPal. Chris is home today, he can be reached at [email protected]

Glenn

Sales Department

Email: [email protected]
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The other one came half hour later from Chris (supposedly from his house), after I sent an inquiry about the payment method and it’s the one below:


----- Original Message -----
From: C. Johnson
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: Sumatran black blood

If you want you can just do concealed cash priority method, that should be no problem. Either way, whatever works.

I recommend using a fedex or ups cardboard paper type mailer for such a delivery, helps to conceal contents.

C. Johnson
Owner – TopShelfExotics.com / LeoMorphs.com

Email: [email protected]
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I’m no computer wiz and I would like someone with absolute certainty to tell me if both e-mails originated in the same computer/house. I reiterate that the money was sent in the envelope no problem whatsoever, and the snake was sent, arrived safe and sound, and when it was supposed to.

Thanks.
 
The other one came half hour later from Chris (supposedly from his house), after I sent an inquiry about the payment method and it’s the one below:
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Almost two and a half hours later and not half an hour.
 
The BoidSmith said:
I’m no computer wiz and I would like someone with absolute certainty to tell me if both e-mails originated in the same computer/house.
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You cannot be certain if they came from the same computer. But the two emails posted above (in the first post where you asked) did originate from the same ISP connection. That means that either it was the same computer, or two computers that were both hooked up to the same internet connection (such as through a router that is then connected to a single cable or DSL modem)

If the last two are different emails from previously, you'd need to post the full headers again, so we can see the originating IP address.
 
Those two email headers you posted Dan both originated from the exact same identical IP address, 64.18.1.45. Which means they came from the same cable modem. Which means they came from the same home or office.
 
67.20.229.210 is the IP where TSE is located...
Location: United States [City: Cheektowaga, New York]

64.18.1.45 is not TSE... (It's probably the IP Dan's connection used at the time.)
Location: United States [City: Santa Clarita, California]
 
Serpwidgets said:
67.20.229.210 is the IP where TSE is located...
Location: United States [City: Cheektowaga, New York]

64.18.1.45 is not TSE... (It's probably the IP Dan's connection used at the time.)
Location: United States [City: Santa Clarita, California]
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Yep, sorry... copy and pasted from the wrong spot. The 67.20.229.210 is the IP addy I meant to copy and paste.
 
(FYI this is all accomplished with a Reverse DNS Lookup. You can find any number of websites that perform this service, just google the term "reverse DNS lookup" and on sites that offer the service you can paste the IPs from email headers and find out whom they belong to and where they are located. And you don't even have to be a computer whiz. :D )
 
I was looking at the Similar threads deal at the bottom, of the page here and came across this from the general Herp talk forum. A quote from Chris talking about his trip to Montana and Idaho

"'The 114F degree summer day ensured that....... Montana however was wonderful as always, I try to make it up there every other year or so. I own a cabin outside of missoula."'

Gee has to be worth something, well if he actually owns it.. Randy
 
The same LAN. Very interesting, as I always suspected Chris/Pat/Glenn/Sybil. Same LAN, Same Syntax, Same Smarmy emails, Same Ego, Same Person. Which one will get arrested?
 
From the TSE Ball Python Morph page:


We offer hundreds of quality captive bred and imported exotics.

New shipments arriving weekly, excellent pricing, professional packaging, and unmatched customer service!

Try Top Shelf Exotics Today!​
 
The headers I posted first are the ones corresponding to those two e-mails posted later. We know already it's an apartment bldg. and although there is a chance they are all the same person (as suggested by several here), there is also a possibility they are occupying two different apartments in a same bldg. (Just trying to look at all the options here). From my perspective, and related to my purchase, it still doesn't make sense to go through the trouble of sending messages as Glenn and Chris separated by a couple of hours. As I said there was no need for it, they received the money and they shipped the animal, there was no need to stage all the rest. It's way to farfetched in MHO. This would be far more simple is Chris were here to address it...
 
Like already said, they came from either the SAME computer or the SAME house where more then one computer are connected per router.

So unless the "Sales Department" is down the hallway, the same computer was used.

And IF the sales department is down the hallway, I don't know why Glenn couldn't just walk a few steps and give Chris messages in person, instead of emailing him..lol

He could have always just hollered down the hallway, too...
 
Misty,

It was me who e-mailed Chris, and not Glenn. We already know that there's at least one other person who lives in the same apartment bldg. and who knows Chris. It seems to me that the explanation that both e-mails came from the same bldg. (not the same apartment though) could be quite logical.

Regards
 
Has anybody heard from Chris or anyone from TSE in the past week? None of my emails have been returned. Has anybody heard of anyone receiving any animals from them in the last week or two?

Thanks,
Dave Schroeder
 
Um...I believe Dan said a friend of his received a "het pied" female this past week. I haven't had any of my emails answered, but Bob (tejasranger) got some nice ones. THey are posted a couple of pages back.
 
Not everyone has the same number of posts per page Bob, depending on how they have their settings set. But the post number is helpful....thanks. :)
 
It really does not matter if anyone has heard from Chris. He is out of business! If for no other reason, you need money to operate a business. His accounts are frozen, and I am sure his bank account is no longer active. No one is going to provide credit, so its just a question of time before he declares bankruptcy and needs the protection from the court to keep creditors away..............criminally of course is a different story.
 
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