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The only reason why Chris was able to get away with his fraudulent behaivor, was basically based on the fact that who ever screams the loudest is right! We are talking about a 5 & 10 cent operation, run by 1 guy, who was able to bamboozle money from good people, maintained a bully profile, and now has taken a hit. I am sure no one will worry about his pugnacious attitude any longer now that we know what we are dealing with. Smoke and Mirrors. I just hope that the 80,000 + people who have seen this post, remember his name, because he will never be able to do this again.
 
Chris@TSE said:
11-14-2005, 03:07 PM #111
Chris@TSE
Dead to the World

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 2,972
Name : Chris Johnson
Karma Power: 64
Trader Rating: (64)
Warning Level: 2

also, last I checked attempting to scam someone, local to you no less, was not a very wise move... "recourse" action is being sought as of this moment. I do not take kindly to these sorts of actions, and for some reason even though it was made apparently clear, this person still does not seem to realize we are local. No less than a few moments away...... and if they do, they certainly did not count on being "caught"

I have a few phone calls to make, I've been advised simply dropping by may not be wise, but dropping by with some company way be advisable.

It shall turn interesting I am sure. I'll keep you updated if there is anything to add in the future.
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Why don't you drop by my house, Chris. I would really look forward to your visit.
 
Have to say there, Bob, re your last couple posts, you are now the one sounding like the jerk and Chris sounding more like someone who is trying to resolve a difficult issue with restraint and maturity.
 
lucille said:
One more: going back 6 months or a year and looking at what Chris posted to others can be very educational. Here, a post he made a while back to someone else:

11-14-2005, 03:07 PM #111
Chris@TSE
Dead to the World

Lucille, I went back and reread those threads days ago when Chris said he had no responsibility in this thread because he has been out of the business since last October. If you noticed, that thread took place in November. Just one of the first of many inconsistency Chris has posted on this thread.
 
Dennis Hultman said:
Lucille, I went back and reread those threads days ago when Chris said he had no responsibility in this thread because he has been out of the business since last October. If you noticed, that thread took place in November. Just one of the first of many inconsistency Chris has posted on this thread.

I didn't catch that, Dennis: good eye. I reread those posts from him because the savage way he treated many of us, and his posts to me, were truly a dark period of Fauna life and for me, since there was never a conclusion, the harm never went away.
I think it helps people sometimes to talk about their past injuries in an attempt heal themselves, which is one of the reasons I included the post he had about me.
The other of course is just to illustrate to what levels he would stoop. His constant inclusions of the phrase 'seig heil' in many of those posts is an abomination to many people.
He put so many people down in patently hurtful ways and really seemed to get a charge out of it, I think that is pathological.
 
leaftail said:
Have to say there, Bob, re your last couple posts, you are now the one sounding like the jerk and Chris sounding more like someone who is trying to resolve a difficult issue with restraint and maturity.
Is Bob being the bully, or is the the bully just cowering?
 
Junkyard said:
Is Bob being the bully, or is the the bully just cowering?

Just saying, is it ok for Bob to be abusive and revel in it? Wasnt that the very thing that people were all down on Chris for doing?

Laura Power
 
I think Bob is trying to get to Chris on some level, like goading him into a response. Seems to work, Chris has been ignoring everyone else. If I called Chris a COWARD, maybe he would respond. He could come here and give a ?somewhat?,. honest explanation without incriminating himself (if he chose his words very carefully), but instead...silence.
 
Robert, the next time you

reply to Chris, remind him that he no longer is needed to make decisions about his business dealings. They will be settled in court either civil or criminal or both. That you are no longer obligated in following his method or approval of doing business under his terms. That their are many people who will insure that the necessary steps for grievance will cost him dearly for his arrogance and that he can run, but he cannot hide.
 
What about Alex Hue? He seemed to have quite a bit of contact with Chris during the Mack Snow fiasco. I guess he never met him, either? Alex has been pretty absent in this thread, from what I can tell. (When you see this, Alex, I'm not accusing or attacking you, just looking to see if anyone knows your actual relationship.)

Excellent question, Rob. Curious that Alex has not posted, but perhaps he doesn't want to get involved. I have no proof, but I have a couple people tell me "off the record" that Chris was getting a lot of ch balls from Mr. Hue. So it would be nice if Alex would come here and either confirm or deny that.

I've been in and out quite a bit over the past year or two, but didn't Chris have the ball python morphs on sale before he started buying up a lot of high-end leopard geckos? It seemed that way to me, but I haven't searched the threads to find out.

Yes, he most certainly did.

Trader ratings, and more particularly, a GGC vote of something like 61-1. I can probably understand legitimate trader ratings based on one good deal, and am one who believes Chris actively solicited them, if not also padded them back when it was easier to do. But the ease with which some of you decided Chris rated your vote as a "Good Guy" baffles me.

In my case, he purchased geckos from me on two seperate occasions, he didn't try to "haggle" me on the price (which was nice) and he sent payment immediately. I give positive trader ratings for good customers as well as good breeders/sellers.

As far as what Lucille brought up about the Hayden Fund auctions, what happened was that some of my friends here on Fauna were in chat the night of my son's death, and they wanted to do whatever they could to help me. Lucille was emailed or pm'ed and said she would rather not hold the auctions on Fauna, since the money raised would be helping someone other than Rich, or Fauna. When Rich was emailed/pm'd, he said that was Lucille's forum so it was up to her. Well, Chris came forward and said to heck with it, he would put up the Hayden Fund auctions on the TSE Forum, which he did. It was at that point that Rich/Lucille? became upset that Chris held some of the auctions on his forum. Why I have no idea. Why in the world would it make any difference where the auctions were held or if they were held on both forums? For the life of me I will never understand that, but I guess it doesn't matter if I do. I really do wish that people would stop putting such a negative spin on the Hayden Fund Auctions, it really is hurtful to me and my husband because those auctions and the contributions from all the wonderful people in the reptile community made me realize that people really do care. The money donated made it possible for me to continue on with my geckos, but even more than that was just the fact that it brought a little light into a very dark time, and it gave me a small bit of hope.

Ok, just wanted to clear that up about the Hayden Fund auctions and Chris' involvement, which truthfully was appreciated by me and always will be.
 
leaftail said:
Just saying, is it ok for Bob to be abusive and revel in it? Wasnt that the very thing that people were all down on Chris for doing?

Laura Power
I believe the difference is that Chris treated everyone like they were on a lower plane then him. I have not seen Bob treat everyone like that. Every once in a while we all treat a person that way, it is human nature to make such mistakes, Though to do it to so many as Chris has, that is a lot different then Bob only treating Chris that way.
 
Junkyard said:
I believe the difference is that Chris treated everyone like they were on a lower plane then him....
That is just plain wrong. "everyone" would include me and Chris never treated me like that. Quite the opposite. Just to set that record straight.

Laura Power
 
I set up a new category on Critter Auction for "Fraud Investigation Fund" auctions, and placed a couple items in there. (I'll be putting more in later)
Thanks for volunteering to be the fund's Custodian, Bob. Hopefully this will bring in a few bucks for the cause!

Here's a link to the Classifieds thread I started about the auctions(I think it's the appropriate forum for it!):

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58
 
leaftail said:
That is just plain wrong. "everyone" would include me and Chris never treated me like that. Quite the opposite. Just to set that record straight.

Laura Power

Laura, he more than made up with it, with the vicious way he treated me.
It's sort of like saying that Jack the Ripper would be a gentleman if he tipped his hat to the ladies, when in truth he was a murderer. Just because someone can occasionally be nice, never forgives his inhumane and vicious acts.
 
What can I say, lucille. you deserved everything you got from Chris, and more. You single-handedly brought on those "dark days of fauna" with your sneaky poisonous PM insinuating the worst possible motive to a beautiful unselfish deed. Chris lashed out in anger and hurt at you. I do not blame him.

Wow. I have apparently had that stored up for a long time.

Laura Power
 
leaftail said:
beautiful unselfish deed.

Chris revelled in hurting people. Look around at the people here, that have been shipped diseased snakes, or out thousands of dollars. If they open their mouth, they get to go to the bottom of the heap.
Beautiful. Unselfish. Uh huh....
 
leaftail said:
That is just plain wrong. "everyone" would include me and Chris never treated me like that. Quite the opposite. Just to set that record straight.

Laura Power
I accept being wrong, though I would not put it past Chris to lash out even to you if ever he was upset in opposition to you.
 

Regardless, if there was any other motives, the act itself that Laura is referring to was indeed beautiful. Out of respect for Kelly, there are other points of more importance and current to focus on.
 
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