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After calming down :rofl: I errased who ever was on the ingnore, sometimes they do have some sort of intelligence worth reading. La La Land Bites lonly as heck. :rofl:
 
Well, I have read all 2640 posts on this thread as they have been posted on a daily basis over the last few months. I've been sitting on the edge of my seat hoping to see Chris get what he's got coming to him...... it is looking incredibly bleak and I am thoroughly disgusted that it appears he's going to get a walk. No criminal prosecution, no civil litigation... no satisfaction or closure for those of us that have watched this from the beginning because of our distaste for Chris.

Chris never got my money, but he did his best to try to make me feel "stupid" and was mean and rude to me personally. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I've rather enjoyed watching his fall from grace. I feel very bad for the honest, decent people that have been ripped off by him. I guess the time has come for me to let go of my nosiness and let the secret breeding program or whatever remain secret.

I wish I understood WHY this recooperation project needs to remain secret. It leaves me with a feeling that my interest in Chris's case was invalid and that I have wasted my time by following this drama.

My sincere best wishes to everyone that lost money, all I lost was time. I hope that it all works out in the end for you. Time for me to move on.
 
Where was it ever mentioned by a single person directly involved that its a "secret breeding project"?

The project, from what I gather, would be in a public member forum with participation to include those who made donations, were scammed with fake hets, or received nothing for the money they spent. In addition I would presume that whomever is selected to moderate the forum would be updating the forum with information as to the progress being made. That hardly seems like a secret. However if I'm wrong and the group decided to do this via a private connection outside of public view on fauna....I'm for that as well.

I'm just happy that these guys found a silver lining. I hope they have fun and come together to make new friends and share with others the very lessons they learned from it all.

Anyway....the committee name sounds ok, but I was thinking...Critical Bills Marvelous Idea. CBMI for short. It has a nice nuclear missile ring to it, don't ya think?

And speaking of nuclear missiles...I had a bad beef gyro this afternoon so I gotta run.

Focker Out!
 
critical bill said:
Where was it ever mentioned by a single person directly involved that its a "secret breeding project"?

The project, from what I gather, would be in a public member forum with participation to include those who made donations, were scammed with fake hets, or received nothing for the money they spent. In addition I would presume that whomever is selected to moderate the forum would be updating the forum with information as to the progress being made. That hardly seems like a secret. However if I'm wrong and the group decided to do this via a private connection outside of public view on fauna....I'm for that as well.

I'm just happy that these guys found a silver lining. I hope they have fun and come together to make new friends and share with others the very lessons they learned from it all.

Anyway....the committee name sounds ok, but I was thinking...Critical Bills Marvelous Idea. CBMI for short. It has a nice nuclear missile ring to it, don't ya think?

And speaking of nuclear missiles...I had a bad beef gyro this afternoon so I gotta run.

Focker Out!
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You are absolutely correct, Chuck. The idea is not to keep anything that is going on a secret, but to prevent people who have no real interest other than starting trouble and taking things off topic from doing so. Updates will be offered as things happen, and I think this presents a fine chance for folks to see how we really CAN work together as a community. It is just unfortunate the circumstances that brought us to it.

I still hold hope that something will be done criminally, and it's just taking time. If not, well...... I hold a firm belief that he will try to scam the wrong person some day, and everything he's done will bite him in the :censored: good and hard. I just hope it makes the news so we can all see it. ;)
 
I am sorry that I misunderstood. To clarify, then you are opening a forum where anyone can view, but only involved parties can post? My perception was a forum only for involved parties with p/w protected entrance, similar in style to HELL forum where there is a "price" to pay to be involved.

It's different in the BOI, what is said stays, but wouldn't the moderators have the "keys" to delete posts that were negative in the new forum? Are there really that many people out there that are fighting and being negative against a good resolution to this whole mess with Chris?
 
luvchondros said:
Are there really that many people out there that are fighting and being negative against a good resolution to this whole mess with Chris?
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I would say it would be due more to the reiterative nature of some folks than any feuding.
 
OK, I heard nothing against it......so the official name will be "Recuperation Committee".
I have just finished setting up a Yahoo mail account, and will be sending the password to Derek as soon as I'm done here.

The email address will be: [email protected]. From now on, please address any email that you have been sending to other addresses for Derek or myself regarding this whole matter to this address, so we can keep them all together. I don't know what Derek's schedule is, but I can try to get all of the names and email addresses that I currently have for those involved put into the address book this weekend.
 
cahrens said:
Lucille,
The problem with other people being able to contribute ideas is that it will create small squabbles everywhere. These last few posts are a perfect example. :
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Well said. This whole BOI concept of anybody being able to comment on a public forum is bogus. I say all threads should be private, and only actual victims (with court level proof) and the scammer having access. Whose with me...................wait....I guess I, and a large number of other posters who saw Chris as an arrogant, rude, smart@ss and wouldn't buy from him shouldn't even be in this thread anyway, so disregard.

Personally, I think if you guys want to have a members only forum or whatever, that you should take it somewhere else....buy your own website. I think Rich allowing this to happen is going the wrong way for the BOI, and goes against what it is all about. Many, many, bad guys, thieves, con artists, etc have been exposed by people who didn't actually pay, or lose money.

Supposedly it's only to talk about this new "business venture", though there are a lot of "got info from Officer Brown if you are directly involved e-mail or PM" or "found something out about Chris, e-mail or PM" I don't want to put it on this very forum that helped expose him to begin with. Otherwise if those who donated money for a lawyer or whatever decide to let their money be used for this new purpose that's their choice, but it is now becoming a business venture (even if the matter is to help reimburse people), so should it get it's own exclusive place here on faunaclassifieds? I didn't donate because I've seen way to many of these things fall apart and the money disappear, so.........
 
reptilebreeder said:
Personally, I think if you guys want to have a members only forum or whatever, that you should take it somewhere else....buy your own website. I think Rich allowing this to happen is going the wrong way for the BOI, and goes against what it is all about. Many, many, bad guys, thieves, con artists, etc have been exposed by people who didn't actually pay, or lose money.
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I own several parked domains and would be happy to supply one and install vBulletin for this purpose for free (I happen to have a license that I am not using at the moment). Alternatively, yahoo domains is offering a $1.95/year new domain registration and I will be happy to host one for free if you choose to buy one.

I can set it up so all new registrations must be approved and no one will have access to any parts of the site unless they are logged in. If you like I can also set it up so that there is one forum that is public and open to people outside the "inside" group. It's quite flexible.

Hosting, providing the license, and adminstering the board will be my contribution in kind to the effort.

Cathy, you can PM me if you are interested and we can discuss.
 
reptilebreeder said:
Well said. This whole BOI concept of anybody being able to comment on a public forum is bogus. I say all threads should be private, and only actual victims (with court level proof) and the scammer having access. Whose with me...................wait....I guess I, and a large number of other posters who saw Chris as an arrogant, rude, smart@ss and wouldn't buy from him shouldn't even be in this thread anyway, so disregard.
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Why are so many people taking exception to the idea of these people recovering some loss? Or wanting to keep the monkeys from flinging pooh all over the place. Take a look, 2600+ posts and half of them had nothing to do with the situation. Just petty bantering and bickering for the sake of doing it.

I didn't contribute but a little time reading this, But I say more power to 'em.

Rick
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
Why are so many people taking exception to the idea of these people recovering some loss? Or wanting to keep the monkeys from flinging pooh all over the place. Take a look, 2600+ posts and half of them had nothing to do with the situation. Just petty bantering and bickering for the sake of doing it.

I didn't contribute but a little time reading this, But I say more power to 'em.

Rick
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Read again. Where does it say I don't want them to recoup their losses? My "exception" has nothing to do with what you are trying to say I said. It has to do with the whole concept of the BOI. This thread does have bantering and bickering, but almost all BOI threads do. The BOI still works well and as intended. You just have to decide what is wheat and what is chaff, they want to make a private forum where they want only wheat, and feel since they lost money that their opinions are wheat and the rest is chaff, fine, but that is not what the BOI is about so it is my opinion only that this is turning into a business type deal and since we're not worthy that it should be taken somewhere else. I also don't think that just because I didn't buy from that moron and lose money directly that I don't have a right as a breeder, hobbyist, ethical person etc, to find out what, if anything, ever happens to him. I, and I'm not alone on this, feel this will affect the hobby pretty significantly, both for people who sell online, and those scammers who feel that nothing will happen to them if they do the same thing.
 
reptilebreeder said:
This thread does have bantering and bickering, but almost all BOI threads do. The BOI still works well and as intended.
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I won't argue that one, that's for sure.

I'll leave it at that, so as not to add more OT.
 
Being part of what is going on, I don't understand where people are getting the idea that this who thing is a secret society, A pass word is needed to post on it,( only if you have something vested) It is also my understanding that people who are not granted access could be able to read it, So where is the problem with any of this, OK now take step back and ask yourself if this was you, would you not want people to come to your aid, and try to help you recover something ? It was mentioned that this is using the BOI for new business venture, I don't see it that way, I see as investing money that was collected, To help those that lost an estimated $ 20,000 to this piece of stinking awful.
 
reptilebreeder said:
Read again. Where does it say I don't want them to recoup their losses? My "exception" has nothing to do with what you are trying to say I said. It has to do with the whole concept of the BOI. This thread does have bantering and bickering, but almost all BOI threads do. The BOI still works well and as intended. You just have to decide what is wheat and what is chaff, they want to make a private forum where they want only wheat, and feel since they lost money that their opinions are wheat and the rest is chaff, fine, but that is not what the BOI is about so it is my opinion only that this is turning into a business type deal and since we're not worthy that it should be taken somewhere else. I also don't think that just because I didn't buy from that moron and lose money directly that I don't have a right as a breeder, hobbyist, ethical person etc, to find out what, if anything, ever happens to him. I, and I'm not alone on this, feel this will affect the hobby pretty significantly, both for people who sell online, and those scammers who feel that nothing will happen to them if they do the same thing.
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John,
It's posts like this that we're trying to avoid by going private. Nobody is saying you can't know what's going on. You say that's not what the BOI is about, this forum is not going to be on the BOI. It's going to be a private forum where only financially affected parties can post. I can't imagine trying to accomplish anything if that forum turned into a circus like this thread has. Some people are using the word "worthy" to describe the access to this forum. Get real. Stop playing the pity card. This was never about worthiness, it's about whether you're involved or not. If you're not financially involved then you don't get to help decide how it all works. That's it. Nothing more to it than that.
Also, I'd like for the forum to stay here in Fauna. Not on the BOI but in the private forums. I feel as though since it started here we should keep it here. -Chris
 
I am just curious about one thing. Why are the people that donated money or purchased items involved? Either they agree with the concept of the victims recuperating their losses or they don't. If they don't agree then ask for the return of the funds etc. now. If they do then let the victims work it out without being under the threat of having the funds withdrawn later, if the contributer doesn't like the outcome.
To me this also opens the door for more fund raisers and/or donations later when a project is decided upon.
 
kmurphy said:
I am just curious about one thing. Why are the people that donated money or purchased items involved ? Either they agree with the concept of the victims recuperating their losses or they don't. If they don't agree then ask for the return of the funds etc. now. If they do then let the victims work it out without being under the threat of having the funds withdrawn later, if the contributer doesn't like the outcome.
To me this also opens the door for more fund raisers and/or donations later when a project is decided upon.
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Kevin I speak only for myself here when I say this, if no agreement can be reached, I for one would not pull my money back, As for future Fund raisers/ donations, I believe that Rich said that this will be the last time this will happen here, So unless some one sets up a site to do fund raisers/donations and not linking it back to here, this will be one time only thing, unless Rich changes his mind, and likes how this whole thing worked out. I doubt he will but we can hope. I feel that this will have a positive out come for those that lost out.
 
As for future Fund raisers/ donations, I believe that Rich said that this will be the last time this will happen here,
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I don't think Rich would delete a post that said "We have decided to purchase 2 male ? and we are short of funds by X anyone wishing to help can do so at ****.
Anyway I'm not really involved, just wanted to get my 2 cents in before you guys went underground. :)
 
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