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Tracking down a vendor at the Hamburg show??

garweft said:
Aren't venomous snakes for advanced keepers? I would think an advanced keeper could tell a dying animal from a healthy one. Not to mention an advanced keeper would have gotten contact info.

I'm starting to believe that you sir are no advanced keeper. This may be a blessing in disguise for you. If the snake would have made it you may have been envenomated at some point and I doubt that you have a supply of antivenin on hand for that particular animal. You may have been the one who ended up belly up in container. :shootfoot
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Rather frightening, isn't it? Any beginner can walk into a reptile show and purchase venomous snakes. It's an accident waiting to happen, and most likely a highly publicized accident.
 
What does being an advanced keeper have to do with getting contact info? I've purchased venomous snakes at shows and not cared enough about who the vendor was to inquire.
 
I believe "garweft's" post was directed at me...:)

Aren't venomous snakes for advanced keepers?
I agree and I believe everyone else will agree with your statement. But, it's considered "advanced" due to the potential risk it possess. The core basics/survival for any reptile comes down to right temps, humidity, husbandry, etc. Be it an eyelash, toad, salamander, constrictor, whatever...these basics need to be provided. I've been doing this for a number of years so I have good grasp of the basics...and I bit more :). In addition, I've owned other venomous snakes in the past. And "No", I'm not going to list out a resume of what I've owned. :eek:

I would think an advanced keeper could tell a dying animal from a healthy one.
Nope, I can't do that. I'm sure others can't as well and have been equally surprised. If you can "GREAT", maybe next time you can help me sniff out the sick ones.

No Contact info received:
Again, I've been doing this for years and NEVER had an issue. I never had a need to contact a vendor. In addition, the Hamburg show is CRAZY. This was one of their busiest shows to date. My objective, shared by others, is to look and get out as soon as possible.

At the end of day, it' a lessoned learned. It was a $200+ lesson versus thousands. I can live with that. I'm still a little pissed, but moving on...

Thanks to all who have sent me a PM... :) :)
 
hhmoore said:
What does being an advanced keeper have to do with getting contact info? I've purchased venomous snakes at shows and not cared enough about who the vendor was to inquire.
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It doesn't. My post was stating that I don't think anyone other than a very advanced keeper should be able to purchase venomous snakes. It was more of a reply to Matthew's post directly above mine than it was to the thread starter's post.
 
phatjoe said:
I would think an advanced keeper could tell a dying animal from a healthy one.
Nope, I can't do that. I'm sure others can't as well and have been equally surprised. If you can "GREAT", maybe next time you can help me sniff out the sick ones.
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I didn't say a sick snake from a healthy one, I said a dying one. One that you claim was hours away from dying even in your expert care. Big difference there.
 
hhmoore said:
What does being an advanced keeper have to do with getting contact info? I've purchased venomous snakes at shows and not cared enough about who the vendor was to inquire.
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OK so I am stretching a bit on that that one. But it's important info when keeping track of bloodlines, animal history, etc. I would put it on par with feeding records, shed dates, and so on. It's importance does seem to vary depending on what type of animal it is.

The original post just gives me a weird vibe. Add that to the feeling I get everytime I hear the word Hamburg......

When this was started as a BOI post I wasn't going to go anywhere near it since I didn't think I can stay on topic and neutral. But since it was moved I don't have to worry about that so much.
 
phatjoe said:
Aren't venomous snakes for advanced keepers?
I agree and I believe everyone else will agree with your statement. But, it's considered "advanced" due to the potential risk it possess. The core basics/survival for any reptile comes down to right temps, humidity, husbandry, etc. Be it an eyelash, toad, salamander, constrictor, whatever...these basics need to be provided. I've been doing this for a number of years so I have good grasp of the basics...and I bit more :). In addition, I've owned other venomous snakes in the past. And "No", I'm not going to list out a resume of what I've owned. :eek:
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phatjoe said:
lid removed
placed within cage
snake has the chance to climb out of cup on his own

End of the day, if aspen is the culprit why on earth even use aspen in the first place...
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So you have husbandry down packed yet aren't sure if aspen bedding is an acceptable bedding?

What cage did you put it in?

Did you go looking specifically for an eyelash viper? Research it's needs? I thought you wanted a horned viper.
 
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