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Trans x Trans Breeding???

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i know theres other threads talking about the trans breeding with other trans, but is that a fact, you cant??? is that proven tha you cant breed them together??? has anyone bred trans x trans and had no problems???
 
Ive heard yes & Ive heard NO. I have a leather trans that came from a leathertrans het hypoXtrans het hypo breeding. Guess If its breed out enough than back in you should be ok?. But pure transXtrans would be a realy bad idea Id say...
 
Trans to trans lines are recommended not to breed as they result in low hatch rates, mutations, weaker gene, exc. but theres oppositions on both sides.

If you use distant lines, far removed, , nothing closely related you can successfully breed trans to trans as a stronger gene.
 
kaco said:
Trans to trans lines are recommended not to breed as they result in low hatch rates, mutations, weaker gene, exc. but theres oppositions on both sides.
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This is correct

kaco said:
If you use distant lines, far removed, , nothing closely related you can successfully breed trans to trans as a stronger gene.
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This is not. The trans gene has been around long enough to be crossed out enough. There are trans, hypo trans, trans leathers, and hypo trans leathers. I dont think it took this long to cross hypos out. (before my time in breeding these genetics) But even with ALL this over the last 4-5 years. I and other breeders (reputable breeders) will to this day still not cross a trans to trans or any other visual trans gene.

You may cross a trans to a trans and get a good clutch. BUT that is just it. It more and likely will only be one and then problems will arise.

I have had problems over the years with breeding a trans to a het trans. Until I can go a few years and not have the problems. I know there not ready to be crossed. So why push the issue, to only produce something that is not genetically ready.

Its a beautiful thing watching your baby dragons hatch. But when you hatch a deformed dragon only because you wanted to make a dollar. Well I wont say whats on my mind. I will just say, This isnt the hobby for you!

In my closing statement because I have argued this enough,

Create life. Do your best to produce the strongest heartiest dragon that you can. DONT play god!
 
I know theres alot of debate on trans to trans breeding. Im still fairly new to the trans gene myself but it has become one of my favorites :) I prefer breeding a trans to a het trans opposed to two visual trans.

I know several breeders that will cross visual translucents. Bloodbank being the most well know, and if you ask them they will say the same thing I posted. Ive shared several emails back and forth on the subject with a few breeders.

I personally would not recommend it, and was not trying to say removed lines would be trouble free, just that in theory or not the farther removed the better and stronger the gene would be. Just touching base on both sides of the opposition.

Believe me I was wary of responding, Ive seen too many trans x trans post debates and feel your pain :p
 
kaco said:
I know theres alot of debate on trans to trans breeding. Im still fairly new to the trans gene myself but it has become one of my favorites :) I prefer breeding a trans to a het trans opposed to two visual trans.

I know several breeders that will cross visual translucents. Bloodbank being the most well know, and if you ask them they will say the same thing I posted. Ive shared several emails back and forth on the subject with a few breeders.

I personally would not recommend it, and was not trying to say removed lines would be trouble free, just that in theory or not the farther removed the better and stronger the gene would be. Just touching base on both sides of the opposition.

Believe me I was wary of responding, Ive seen too many trans x trans post debates and feel your pain :p
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I know bloodbank has crossed the two gene's. I know another breeder that has done it. I cant comment on bloodbanks end, only speculate. An one BIG thing i noticed from them is over the last few months. MOST of there animals are no longer 6 inches and ready for retail, but I seen his babies being sold at 10 inches. Much longer and much more time. More costly too. Is it because it gives them time to sort out the healthy ones from the un-healthy ones? :shrug01:. That is something he would have to comment on. An from prior post I doubt he would comment on his trans X trans breedings.

The breeder that I know crossed the two from two different breeders. trans x hypo trans. He had a few that didnt hatch and a couple of deformities. An the babies was nothing special that I couldn't hatch myself, but in a healthy cross.
 
dragonluver83 said:
I know bloodbank has crossed the two gene's. I know another breeder that has done it. I cant comment on bloodbanks end, only speculate. An one BIG thing i noticed from them is over the last few months. MOST of there animals are no longer 6 inches and ready for retail, but I seen his babies being sold at 10 inches. Much longer and much more time. More costly too. Is it because it gives them time to sort out the healthy ones from the un-healthy ones? :shrug01:. That is something he would have to comment on. An from prior post I doubt he would comment on his trans X trans breedings.

The breeder that I know crossed the two from two different breeders. trans x hypo trans. He had a few that didnt hatch and a couple of deformities. An the babies was nothing special that I couldn't hatch myself, but in a healthy cross.
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Personally was wondering that my self. With all the dragons they produce I wouldn't be surprised if that was their route now.
 
man that sucks ! . i just bought two translucent bearded dragons from josh at phantom dragons and i wanted to breed them . i was just about to ask if i was able to breed 2 translucent . so . from what i have read here is that i have to get me a het trans to breed with my trans is that correct ? this web site is awesome you can find out anything love this site :)
 
dragonluver83 said:
This is correct



This is not. The trans gene has been around long enough to be crossed out enough. There are trans, hypo trans, trans leathers, and hypo trans leathers. I dont think it took this long to cross hypos out. (before my time in breeding these genetics) But even with ALL this over the last 4-5 years. I and other breeders (reputable breeders) will to this day still not cross a trans to trans or any other visual trans gene.

You may cross a trans to a trans and get a good clutch. BUT that is just it. It more and likely will only be one and then problems will arise.

I have had problems over the years with breeding a trans to a het trans. Until I can go a few years and not have the problems. I know there not ready to be crossed. So why push the issue, to only produce something that is not genetically ready.

Its a beautiful thing watching your baby dragons hatch. But when you hatch a deformed dragon only because you wanted to make a dollar. Well I wont say whats on my mind. I will just say, This isnt the hobby for you!

In my closing statement because I have argued this enough,

Create life. Do your best to produce the strongest heartiest dragon that you can. DONT play god!
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I couldn't agree more, health first, color second.
 
dragonluver83 said:
I know bloodbank has crossed the two gene's. I know another breeder that has done it. I cant comment on bloodbanks end, only speculate. An one BIG thing i noticed from them is over the last few months. MOST of there animals are no longer 6 inches and ready for retail, but I seen his babies being sold at 10 inches. Much longer and much more time. More costly too. Is it because it gives them time to sort out the healthy ones from the un-healthy ones? :shrug01:. That is something he would have to comment on. An from prior post I doubt he would comment on his trans X trans breedings.

The breeder that I know crossed the two from two different breeders. trans x hypo trans. He had a few that didnt hatch and a couple of deformities. An the babies was nothing special that I couldn't hatch myself, but in a healthy cross.
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That is a scary thought... I hope you are wrong, but we may never know.
 
Dragon heart top breeder - Markus Metz from Germany breeds trans to trans ! He has bred lots of them and told me he has only had a few that came out deformed which can happen in any clutch. He said if the dragons you breed are healthy and strong then there is no problem breeding two trans together . Different breeders have different thoughts about this ,but he markus has had many good results and his dragons are awesum , so who is right or wrong ?
 
i wish i knew who is right and who is wrong guess its one of those things you have to do your self to find out. thanks john.r1 . markus metz , i wish i knew who he was
 
Is the trans gene the actual problem or is or is it due to excessive inbreeding that has caused the problem? I have a couple of het trans and and a couple of trans, most everything else i have is hypo het hypo or normal. I am glad i read this , so i will know how to make my pairings better.
 
I have a pair of trans. The female came from an import line, the male is Josh D lines. She produced three clutches of fertile eggs, each around 28 eggs. The first clutch hatched May 15th. The babies are ten and a half inches long and weigh around 50 grams. The second clutch hatched three weeks ago and the babies are six grams and 5 1/2 inches. All are healthy, fat and beautiful deep red. I consulted my exotics vet before I bred them. Her saw no reason not to. It's been done before throughout the development of this line. My third clutch of eggs is hatching this week. I expect another two dozen healthy babies.

While perhaps it's best to discourage casual breeders from crossing trans x trans, it's NOT an absolute. I've even been accused of being "unethical". I resent that characterization. I breed dragons because I love them. The dragons I sell just about cover the cost of my hobby including the $500 in spay fees I pay when I retire my breeding females after two seasons. I did it carefully and purposely and was rewarded with gorgeous deep red dragons.
 

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You are using Josh D's brand name to add value to your breeders and help sell your baby dragons. I'd be curious to know what he thinks about trans x trans pairings.
 
I'm sorry if you think I'm using Josh D. I only mentioned his name so folks would know the male was top quality...not to try to add value to mine.
 
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