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Info Triple Moons Exotic

Who said anything about the identity must be known. I just stated that it hasnt been made known, and it seems hipocritical since you are the one whining about the mystery of the so called phantom breeder. Personaly I really dont care, and doubt that anyone else does either.

I also just stated they could be related. Maybe it is just the phantom fauna member.
 
I think I'm understanding better. Andrew isn't upset that his email was shared...He's upset that I consulted friends about the transaction, my concern over the underweight female that was bred and the resulting implication that I could potentially being ripping him off...Which resulted in one of those friends contacting him directly (which was absolutely not solicited by me). Since "the Phantom Breeder" is not myself or Charlene, the email from him has nothing to do with the headline Triple Moons Exotic. This just leaves the fact that Andrew does not want any negative/concerning transactions being talked about to unrelated parties, which is what I did "wrong" here.
 
First off I dont know either party. But what the heck hey Andy what ya got for sale so you can lie to me then post something negative on here about me sounds fair. Thats what I got out of this whole deal. :D
 
VAsnakeman12 said:
If you feel my complains are "petty" then by all means delete the thread. I respect the fact that you may know Stephanie, and maybe the "Reputable Breeder" personally. I have nothing to gain, and everything to lost by this thread and it truly is disappointing to see threads like this are received.

A final detail I would include is the "Reputable Breeder" signed the final email as "Phantom Breeder". So that was the most fresh name in my mind.
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Show me where I said anything about your complaint being "petty".
I don't know Stephanie, and I rarely interact with her here....if anything, we tend to be somewhat antagonistic toward each other; but have sort of a mutual tolerance.
As you can probably guess from the above, I haven't had any discussion about this situation with her, so I have no clue who Reputable Breeder is. I'll be honest - I barely skimmed the emails, so I'm not fully aware of the content...but WTF good is an anonymous endorsement and self stroke? None at all. If the person wasn't saying negative things about you - shrug it off.


As far as naming Stephanie in this thread - I guess I understand the choice, under the circumstances...but, all I really got out of it was that she handled her interaction with you professionally when she felt you misrepresented some animals, and that she chose to discuss the situation with friends prior to choosing a course of action. I don't feel that it reflects poorly on her; but if you choose not to do business with her because one of those friends contacted you, that's your decision...as was the one to broadcast it.



BTW, since you referenced (in the original thread) Stephanie having the deleted ad brought back - that wasn't quite accurate. She requested it, I declined....but I did give her the listed weights for reference. Since she posted the advertised weights (4xx grams, and 1xxx grams), and you did not dispute them, I don't really see any reason to undelete the ad at this time.
 
hhmoore said:
Show me where I said anything about your complaint being "petty".
I don't know Stephanie, and I rarely interact with her here....if anything, we tend to be somewhat antagonistic toward each other; but have sort of a mutual tolerance.
As you can probably guess from the above, I haven't had any discussion about this situation with her, so I have no clue who Reputable Breeder is. I'll be honest - I barely skimmed the emails, so I'm not fully aware of the content...but WTF good is an anonymous endorsement and self stroke? None at all. If the person wasn't saying negative things about you - shrug it off.


As far as naming Stephanie in this thread - I guess I understand the choice, under the circumstances...but, all I really got out of it was that she handled her interaction with you professionally when she felt you misrepresented some animals, and that she chose to discuss the situation with friends prior to choosing a course of action. I don't feel that it reflects poorly on her; but if you choose not to do business with her because one of those friends contacted you, that's your decision...as was the one to broadcast it.



BTW, since you referenced (in the original thread) Stephanie having the deleted ad brought back - that wasn't quite accurate. She requested it, I declined....but I did give her the listed weights for reference. Since she posted the advertised weights (4xx grams, and 1xxx grams), and you did not dispute them, I don't really see any reason to undelete the ad at this time.
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My statement was unclear, I was not intending to insinuate you actually said petty.

I am not going to argue my case. I've stated my concern, and posted emails. Those that continue to misconstrue my intentions or statements are fully entitled to do so, I just hope any other viewers carefully read the details.
 
Your intentions weren't misconstrued on my account and earlier you tried to make it clear to me that this thread isn't about the mix up about the weights and I understood that from the beginning. You made this thread because you are mad that Stephanie talked to contacts about what they would do in the given situation because it had to do with the hickup that occurred during the transaction. And you are upset that this phantom breeder or whoever emailed you but it doesn't matter why the thread was started, now everyone can see everything that happened (which consists of you sending mis-represented animals, Stephanie keeping 100% composure during the entire thing, and you making multiple threads after telling Stephanie that you wouldn't) This whole thing should have stayed in PM's or emails between the buyer and seller.
 
Wait a second, let me make sure I am understanding this whole thread correctly...You make a sale, but misrepresented the snakes. Stef tells you about it, you come up with the idea of a partial refund and the issue is taken care of. Stef actually goes as far as making a POSITIVE BOI post about you after all of it, and then even goes as far as giving you a second chance with another purchase, so you decide to drag her name threw the mud?

From what I saw and read in those emails, it doesnt really seem like anywhere that you were really arguing the fact that the snakes were not grossly under their listed weights, which leads me to believe that you probably didnt fight it that bad because you knew they were underweight...
 
Im just curious wasnt the het female given for free with the purchase of the male butter het something?. Sorry I thought I saw that on the last thread that was deleted.
 
Newport said:
Im just curious wasnt the het female given for free with the purchase of the male butter het something?. Sorry I thought I saw that on the last thread that was deleted.
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Andrew implied that in an email or a post somewhere, but from what I remember the listed price on the Butter het Hypo was $500 (which was listed at 400g and arrived at 268g) and Char paid $625 for the pair.
 
"Who said anything about the identity must be known. I just stated that it hasnt been made known, and it seems hipocritical since you are the one whining about the mystery of the so called phantom breeder. Personaly I really dont care, and doubt that anyone else does either.

I also just stated they could be related. Maybe it is just the phantom fauna member."

So you just asked for the heck of it? Cool. And I will work on by "hipocricy". And I will try to make my future posts consist of less whining. My sincere apologies.

"This just leaves the fact that Andrew does not want any negative/concerning transactions being talked about to unrelated parties, which is what I did "wrong" here."

Interesting theory. Doesn't line up with the fact that I posted about it on the BOI. I just want negative transaction treated appropriately. And not in a misrepresenting, behind my back way. Seems you left out several details about our previous transactions. First, you made it sound like Het papers were in the original deal. Despite the fact that you were not a part of the original deal. Also you've failed to point out that I payed you above and beyond your minimum requested refund. But that is a fine detail to leave out as well.

"First off I dont know either party. But what the heck hey Andy what ya got for sale so you can lie to me then post something negative on here about me sounds fair. Thats what I got out of this whole deal."

Larry, I would almost be offended if I had the slightest hint that you actually read the original post. You'd quickly realize that is not what this thread is about.

"Your intentions weren't misconstrued on my account and earlier you tried to make it clear to me that this thread isn't about the mix up about the weights and I understood that from the beginning. You made this thread because you are mad that Stephanie talked to contacts about what they would do in the given situation because it had to do with the hickup that occurred during the transaction. And you are upset that this phantom breeder or whoever emailed you but it doesn't matter why the thread was started, now everyone can see everything that happened (which consists of you sending mis-represented animals, Stephanie keeping 100% composure during the entire thing, and you making multiple threads after telling Stephanie that you wouldn't) This whole thing should have stayed in PM's or emails between the buyer and seller."

So, Stephanie kept composure (which I agree, she did) but you can tell I am mad? How so? In some sense, at this point I agree. It seems the loudest voice gets heard on here. My point is not to smear Stephanie, it is to post an informational thread. Especially after the message I received. I realized other people may have related experiences.

"Wait a second, let me make sure I am understanding this whole thread correctly...You make a sale, but misrepresented the snakes. Stef tells you about it, you come up with the idea of a partial refund and the issue is taken care of. Stef actually goes as far as making a POSITIVE BOI post about you after all of it, and then even goes as far as giving you a second chance with another purchase, so you decide to drag her name threw the mud?

From what I saw and read in those emails, it doesnt really seem like anywhere that you were really arguing the fact that the snakes were not grossly under their listed weights, which leads me to believe that you probably didnt fight it that bad because you knew they were underweight..."

This is a poster-child of someone that didn't read the post.

Her party identified the refund amount by giving me a window. The numbers they sent were "75-100 dollar refund". I sent $90 on the spot. According to the buying party, this was largely because of the female, not the male. Which again, had you read the original post, you would realize the female was included for free. Finally, I was not the one that originally publicized the transaction. Stephanie felt it appropriate to share misrepresented transaction details to third-parties.

See my response to Stephanie. There was an adjacent ad with the correct weight. It was not intentional.

"Andrew implied that in an email or a post somewhere, but from what I remember the listed price on the Butter het Hypo was $500 (which was listed at 400g and arrived at 268g) and Char paid $625 for the pair."

The ad specifically stated the Hypo was included free. We closed on terms with the hypo included free.

Finally Stephanie, I am still waiting to hear your explanation on why the het female only gained 13 g after feeding. I didn't want to keep bringing the weight issue up, but since you continue to do so...

For reference, the snake's prey items weigh in the 80-200 g range.
 
So what sort of response were you looking for from this thread?

And is this ultimately a discussion about whether or not it's okay to consult with more knowledgeable parties when a problem arises in a transaction?

Stephanie said she forwarded emails, so I don't think she misconstrued the transaction. If anything I'm guessing the Phantom Breeder misinterpreted what was happening on their reading of the emails....
 
Andrew - I'm guessing that the opening remark in that last post was directed at me. Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not whining about anything in this thread. My comment about the anonymous endorsement and self stroke were not intended as criticisms toward you (comprehension issue?). The point was that nobody should care about an anonymous email praising a person...it might have meant something if the person had given a real name - at least then you might have thought, Wow, XXXXXXXX seems to think pretty highly of Stephanie. That Reputable Breeder seemed to think saying how great he was might lend credence to a lame gesture was downright laughable. Want your words to mean something, RB? Attach your name to them.


Now, back to Andrew - is it true that Char paid $625 for the pair, and they were shipped to Steph? Because I distinctly remember seeing a quote of $570 shipped for the pair to Spokane, WA. (yes, the female was offered free, if somebody purchased the butter at the asking price)
 
Who said anything about the identity must be known. I just stated that it hasnt been made known, and it seems hipocritical since you are the one whining about the mystery of the so called phantom breeder. Personaly I really dont care, and doubt that anyone else does either.

I also just stated they could be related. Maybe it is just the phantom fauna member.
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I think Andrew was replying to this comment by mikeyt, not to your statements, hhmoore.

As for this thread, it amazes me that it's turned into this sort of back and forth nonsense. Someone asked what the OP wanted from this, well seeing as it's an info thread, I would assume he wanted to inform the community about this particular deal and subsequent events.

No matter how much people want to make this thread about misrepresented animals, it just simply isn't. Even if it was, the OP made good on that to both parties approval.

The issue is giving out someones private email without permission, whether it was done intentionally or not. In some situations this can be illegal(not saying it is here) but at the very least it's somewhat unethical from a business standpoint. Is it really that big of a deal? Probably not to most people but I can see where it would bother someone especially when it's not shown in the best of light.

It seems to me that most likely the email address was shared unintentionally. However when this "reputable breeder" got it and the information that the OP had refused another deal, he decided he would try and throw a little weight into getting the OP to reconsider. Although I don't think they realized all the name dropping means nothing when you can't even give out your own name.

All in all I think the only person that looks bad from this whole situation is this reputable breeder. It's just too bad they aren't man or woman enough to admit to it. Then I would actually have someone to add to my list of people to not do business with.
 
I think Andrew was replying to this comment by mikeyt
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I see that now....it's so much easier when people use the quote tags, even if they don't attribute the name. Guess I'm the one with the comprehension issue this time :shootfoot
All in all I think the only person that looks bad from this whole situation is this reputable breeder. It's just too bad they aren't man or woman enough to admit to it. Then I would actually have someone to add to my list of people to not do business with.
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Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong IS a fairly good reason to conceal one's identity...no sense dealing with the fallout that might come from it.
I don't know that I would go so far as to not do business with the person...but that's an individual call. FWIW, I can see where it could be considered a nice gesture to send an email in Steph's defense....it loses something when done anonymously, though. In fact, it pretty much falls flat.
 
VAsnakeman12 said:
"Wait a second, let me make sure I am understanding this whole thread correctly...You make a sale, but misrepresented the snakes. Stef tells you about it, you come up with the idea of a partial refund and the issue is taken care of. Stef actually goes as far as making a POSITIVE BOI post about you after all of it, and then even goes as far as giving you a second chance with another purchase, so you decide to drag her name threw the mud?

From what I saw and read in those emails, it doesnt really seem like anywhere that you were really arguing the fact that the snakes were not grossly under their listed weights, which leads me to believe that you probably didnt fight it that bad because you knew they were underweight..."

This is a poster-child of someone that didn't read the post.
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I would love for you to fill me in on how this makes me a poster-child of someone who didnt read the post, because I obviously did read it to get all of that information, which all seems to be correct. Maybe you are the poster-child of someone who got caught trying to pull a fast one and now are bitter over it?
 
Ok,
The OP is upset because someone Tripple Moons told the story to more than one person after he made good on the situation and because his contact info that he wishes to keep private was obviously passed around... Not the end of the world for the OP ut I can totally understand why he would be upset...

A refused to sell again to Triple Moons because he did not feel comfortable after the first transaction... Knowing triple moons reputation, I personally would not have refused a sale to her but I can see how one may be a bit uneasy if they had not known the buyers reputation...

I would also like to say that it is not unheard of for 1000 gram females to be bred... In fact, they are frequently bred at that size... Suggested breeding weights are just rules of thumb... A 1000 gram female will have no more chance of getting eggbound than a 2000 gram female...
 
Gregg Madden said:
Ok,
The OP is upset because someone Tripple Moons told the story to more than one person after he made good on the situation and because his contact info that he wishes to keep private was obviously passed around... Not the end of the world for the OP ut I can totally understand why he would be upset...

A refused to sell again to Triple Moons because he did not feel comfortable after the first transaction... Knowing triple moons reputation, I personally would not have refused a sale to her but I can see how one may be a bit uneasy if they had not known the buyers reputation...

I would also like to say that it is not unheard of for 1000 gram females to be bred... In fact, they are frequently bred at that size... Suggested breeding weights are just rules of thumb... A 1000 gram female will have no more chance of getting eggbound than a 2000 gram female...
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First response to all this that is just laying it out there and NOT trying to SOLVE something. All of the others "go get'm Sherlock"
 
Gregg Madden said:
Ok, The OP is upset because someone Tripple Moons told the story to more than one person after he made good on the situation and because his contact info that he wishes to keep private was obviously passed around... Not the end of the world for the OP ut I can totally understand why he would be upset...
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Actually, that's not quite correct. "TRB" knew about the situation since the underweight female arrived. I sent the email to Andrew about them arriving, then I immediately consulted "TRB" on the underweight female and the probabilities of her being gravid and the medical issues surrounding that.

VAsnakeman12 said:
Interesting theory. Doesn't line up with the fact that I posted about it on the BOI. I just want negative transaction treated appropriately. And not in a misrepresenting, behind my back way. Seems you left out several details about our previous transactions. First, you made it sound like Het papers were in the original deal. Despite the fact that you were not a part of the original deal. Also you've failed to point out that I payed you above and beyond your minimum requested refund. But that is a fine detail to leave out as well.
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I discussed my interaction with this situation with two people, very close friends of mine. You made it public, thus you must live with the results of that. You forget that you are not the only one in this transaction, both myself and Charlene are involved. This means we both have the right to consult and inquire to others about the situation. You do not get to dictate who either of us speak to about our transaction.

I did not misrepresent anything, "go behind your back" or "fail to point out" anything. I simply forwarded the emails to a third party to get a different aspect of the situation. How they misinterpreted is not in any way my fault.

VAsnakeman12 said:
Finally Stephanie, I am still waiting to hear your explanation on why the het female only gained 13 g after feeding. I didn't want to keep bringing the weight issue up, but since you continue to do so...
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You never asked. But if you must know, I fed her a smaller then usual prey item because she just came in on Tuesday. Does that meet your scrutiny?





At this point, I retract my "Good Guy" post about Andrew. This is childish and unprofessional.
 
I would also like to say that it is not unheard of for 1000 gram females to be bred... In fact, they are frequently bred at that size... Suggested breeding weights are just rules of thumb... A 1000 gram female will have no more chance of getting eggbound than a 2000 gram female...
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eggbound maybe wasn't a good word of choice for breeding an underweight female but there are medical complications that can come from this practice which may/may not have changed Charlene's mind about recieving the het ghost female. But at this point it doesn't matter anymore because Steph already said she would take care of the snake should the need arrise so there's no reason to argue about what weight a ball python can be bred. As far as this thread goes, this is all pretty retarded now because it keeps going around and around in circles. I really don't understand you purpose in this thread anymore Andrew, you originally said you it was because the phantom breeder but then I got that you just didn't want Stephanie giving wrong details of the transaction so you put up the thread to just lay it all out there. It still seems like this could have all been settled between the two of you. Also Andrew you asked me why I said you were mad, ok maybe your not mad but I get the hint in all of your posts that you are irritated. All in all the fact of the matter still stands that if you would have weighted your snakes right before they went out it never would have came down like this.
 
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