Info TRUTHS ABOUT THE HIDDEN GENE WOMA THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF KEVIN MCCURELY(NERD)

[greensnake88]

if your all a bunch of haters give it a rest, both animals show the same blushing .flames even the white trim. theyre obviously the same . if he reversed them you would all be saying the same crap.bottom line you dont like it dont buy it.we saw the hatchlings make your own decisions. if someone has pics put em up or shut up dont go bashing stuff because nerd sold you a nice pastel 10 yrs ago or own one of his now famous hg lessers [which is actually grand theft] everything looks legit except for alot of petty name calling. i dont need to marry a geneiologist to see what the majority of the people on this thread are trying to do . give it a rest

 

[Joe at PHR]

Just for the record for everyone. Here is Kevin's Founding Hidden Gene WOma. That he posted on his facebook page and was posted here.

Now here is our Founding Hidden Gene Woma Dam out of shed. Clearly not a regular Woma

Just wanted to post this pic out of shed and now everyone can bury it like Clark said.

I don't want to hear how it was a mistake putting up or anything like that. You guys tried to show a Granite Enchi Hidden Gene Woma in the Ballboutique's ball python forum thread as Kevin's founding animal period. Nice try guys.

Our animal is the Original Hidden Gene Woma. Everything we said was true. Now the hijackers can bury this and be careful of slander.

We had this picture out of shed the whole time. I just wanted Kevin to show his true colors which he did.. I was waiting for the pic of the founding animal and thanks Kevin for putting it on your Facebook page. I also personally want to thank SASHIA for bringing it over to the BOI as well.

Way to go guys and totally give it up... We had the picture of the founding animal as soon as it was posted on the Facebook page... Ray Charles could even see that this is the Hidden Gene Woma Lineage.

Not to mention it looks so much more like its FOUNDING animal Than the Granite Hidden Gene Woma that throws no GRANITES and ONLY REPRODUCES ITSELF.. Thanks Everyone...

As I stated before. Our animal was released by Kevin back in the day. None of you other than Kevin can show any woma looking like this. Because it is an "Original Hidden Gene Woma"

By the way Matt and NERD Cheerleaders give it up and don't PUKE on yourselves....LOL Everyone acted just the way we thought they would...

Finally Signing off. Joe Capone Power House Reptiles

 

[Willow]

OK...here we go...this might make it a little easier to compare animals. Side by side, smaller pics.

The top two pics are the founding animals...the one on the left is Kevin's hidden gene woma...the one on the right is Joe's

The 3rd pic, underneath....is my NORMAL woma

Now...would someone like to tell me which snake Joe's looks IDENTICAL too

 

[mountain top]

I guess maybe I need to take my glasses off so I can see what you guys are saying, because I'm sitting here holding a spider and It don't look like it to me.
mike wilbanks I do exist why don't you ask wes harris if you had a conversation with me about guitars and my son. I am very real.
K. Matthews. P.S. hey joe nice hgw.

 

[Willow]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d164/hamster666/woma1.jpg

and here is a shot of my woma at a better side angle to show the yellowing coming up his sides...just like Joe's animal, who is laying a bit more on its side in the pic in the first place...Joe's animal has higher side color, and my animal is obviously cleaner then his. But other than that....

His snake matches my snakes colors...not Kevins

his snake matches my snakes webbing pattern (solid black webs) and not Kevins (blushed brown webs)

His animals pattern sharpness matches my snakes...not the softness of the pattern on Kevins

MY SNAKE IS A NORMAL WOMA...do the math.

 

[Willow]

posted the stupid link wrong

 

[Willow]

As I stated before. Our animal was released by Kevin back in the day. None of you other than Kevin can show any woma looking like this. Because it is an "Original Hidden Gene Woma"

I have now posted a picture of a NORMAL woma that looks darn near identical to your own. Mine is cleaner of course, but that merely has to do with my pickyness for clean snakes.

You also keep spewing that Kevin's animal looks different because of the "granite" gene...yet you claim his animals don't hold the granite gene...dude...really??

 

[Randy F]

I have held back but feel it is time to post a couple pictures. This is my hgw to super pastel, and one of his offspring. You will notice all the white calico type speckling one it along with the incredable flames. This is one of Kevin's older hgw's. Yes it is a hidden gene woma granite yb.......if it had no granite in it, just was speculated would I care? Nope, its insane enough for me and makes incredable babies. I can buy a granite for $100 and breed it if I really needed to. Now as far as the two pictures.........Kevin's looks to be a fully grown adult that may be going into shed. Joe's is smaller (you can tell by the tub) and just finished shed. Are they the same animal? Who knows and who cares? I will put a picture of a white snake and tell you it is a hidden gene woma granite yb lesser pastel to an pastel enchi mojave yb hidden gene woma hatchling that is a killer ivory granite enchi bel pearl that I call the unabtainable. If you believe me good for you and if you dont oh well. If your not buying said snake I will let you call it whatever you want, If you have $17,500 to spend on one snake you should know what your looking at. All this name calling is just kinda childish. Kevin is the evil morph god like it or not, Brian is a great guy, I hope to meet Mike this year at Tinley because I know people that are friends with him and say he is great, Jeff Luman rocks, and the list goes on. Just because they dont agree with you does not make them bad.......when they screw you over makes them bad. No matter what we think it is what they buyer thinks. Its not about the best price, its how you feel walking away with what you bought.

 

[mountain top]

if your all a bunch of haters give it a rest, both animals show the same blushing .flames even the white trim. theyre obviously the same . if he reversed them you would all be saying the same crap.bottom line you dont like it dont buy it.we saw the hatchlings make your own decisions. if someone has pics put em up or shut up dont go bashing stuff because nerd sold you a nice pastel 10 yrs ago or own one of his now famous hg lessers [which is actually grand theft] everything looks legit except for alot of petty name calling. i dont need to marry a geneiologist to see what the majority of the people on this thread are trying to do . give it a rest

I could not have said it better myself sir. Willow are you serious spider, nope not even close, no cigar for that 1. the picture joe showed is a hidden gene woma. K. Matthews

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Hey Kenneth,

The majority of the people on this thread see hidden gene womas, hidden gene woma combos, and then there's a normal woma plain and simple. You mentioned the white trim. Hidden gene womas have it and it stands out...normal womas have more of a yellow trim like Joe's snake. The general color of Joe's snake says normal woma also. Sorry but it is what it is.

I'd also like to that Kevin, Sashia, and Ray Charles (love the songs and courage), but most of all I'd like to thank Joe for "finally signing off".

 

[Ghi Reptiles]

Hey Kevin,

Since you are so knowledgeable and well versed on all of the characteristics of the hidden gene womas...please enlighten me and tell me what each one is.

Thanks so much...and Montana rocks!!!

 

[Willow]

I could not have said it better myself sir. Willow are you serious spider, nope not even close, no cigar for that 1. the picture joe showed is a hidden gene woma. K. Matthews

LOL wow

if his snake is "not even close" to mine...then it looks like a freakin clown next to Kevin's

 

[wyldwurm]

I have now posted a picture of a NORMAL woma that looks darn near identical to your own. Mine is cleaner of course, but that merely has to do with my pickyness for clean snakes.

You also keep spewing that Kevin's animal looks different because of the "granite" gene...yet you claim his animals don't hold the granite gene...dude...really??

I was thinking the same thing....the second pic and your snake look almost like the same snake...yours is much cleaner but that first pic looks different than the other two

I think this Joe guy is just trying to discredit someone he is obviously extremely jealous of. IMO

 

[bxjoon]

 

[Willow]

I was thinking the same thing....the second pic and your snake look almost like the same snake...yours is much cleaner but that first pic looks different than the other two

I think this Joe guy is just trying to discredit someone he is obviously extremely jealous of. IMO

THANK YOU!! Someone with eyeballs!!

Joe's snake DOES look near identical to mine

cept mine is prettier =)

 

[leeverc]

To Joe S.,

Joe the reason people are reacting against you is because you do not have an inferno or a soul sucker. You have a snake that has a broken up patter because it has cinnamon in it, and you have a snake that has "green" flames in it that are the same as one that was made with a regular woma - as we all saw the pictures of.

Additionally your entire post was based on the idea that there was NO EXPLANATION for the genetic linkage between hg woma and grantite - which I provided an explanation for in post #416. The whole basis for your claims have been PUT TO FLAMES by so many people in so many different ways Joe.

Speaking of flames Joe, get back to us when you make an inferno. WHERE IS YOUR INFERNO JOE?????

WHERE THE HELL IS IT?

What a friggin sad sad bad bad joke.

Chad Leever

 

[Randy F]

kind of funny how this whole thread was condensed and now in the classifieds! People seriously, if you produce a QUALITY product let it sell itself not try and discredit the competors. Mike, Matt, Jeff, etc......you all have something you produce better than some of mine......congrats and thanks for setting the bar for me to reach. I appreciate you guys providing a path for the rest of us to follow to produce quality animals that we truely are proud of. I promise if I ever have to try and bash someone in order to sell my animals I will quit breeding and walk away with some pride and dignity.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Joe's snake DOES look near identical to mine

cept mine is prettier =)

Your snake is a cleaner version of Joe's.
I don't understand how anyone can say that Joe's snake is a hgw, the color isn't right, the eyes are too dark, the stripes are too thin (not a ball expert so I am gonna call them stripes).

I think this whole debate is silly. With all the pictures provided, only someone blind or delusional would continue to assert the Joe's snake is a hgw. If a non-ball python Peron like me can spot the difference, then it must be painfully obvious that Joe is either lying through his teeth, or he really doesn't know what he has.

And to all of Joe's "customers" I have no bone in this fight. Here is a simple observation- y'all are hoping and praying that we are all wrong, because you have bought into his delusion and hope your snakes aren't just normal womas, as that (in my observations here) would devalue it greatly. Come back in a few years and show us pictures of your snakes offspring. If the offspring look anything like (I think it was GHI) hgw mixes/crosses then you can say told you so. Till then you have no proof, just Joe's word.

 

[radera5]

Your snake is a cleaner version of Joe's.
I don't understand how anyone can say that Joe's snake is a hgw, the color isn't right, the eyes are too dark, the stripes are too thin (not a ball expert so I am gonna call them stripes).

I think this whole debate is silly. With all the pictures provided, only someone blind or delusional would continue to assert the Joe's snake is a hgw. If a non-ball python Peron like me can spot the difference, then it must be painfully obvious that Joe is either lying through his teeth, or he really doesn't know what he has.

And to all of Joe's "customers" I have no bone in this fight. Here is a simple observation- y'all are hoping and praying that we are all wrong, because you have bought into his delusion and hope your snakes aren't just normal womas, as that (in my observations here) would devalue it greatly. Come back in a few years and show us pictures of your snakes offspring. If the offspring look anything like (I think it was GHI) hgw mixes/crosses then you can say told you so. Till then you have no proof, just Joe's word.

Too bad I'm all out of Karma

 

[HerpVenue]

You came here to make accusations. What have wee seen from you?

Just the outrageous claims.

Then these people asked you for proof. What happened? You ended up asking everyone else to provide proof for you.

Rob this is clearly not what we asked for. Those are NOT Granites which are codominant in nature and look like these animals pictured in this link:

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/index.php/Ball-Python-Base-Morphs/granite.html

We want to see multiple pictures of multiple clutches of Granite HGW's, Non-Granite HGW's, Granites (real ones), and single Non-Granite mutations or normals all coming out of the eggs together (with the eggs clumped together NOT a bunch of individual eggs or fleshly hatched snakes). With as many breeding Granite HGW's as there are out there this should not be a problem to produce these pictures.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker

I mean seriously. is that what the world has come too? Will it be okay for me to make baseless accusations that you and clark are lovers...... and then ask you to provide pictures as proof to my baseless statements?