Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[Fangthane]

If she approached me and asked for money because she needed the money due to her financial need, I would have most likely to helped her by sending her the money but I felt that she was rather being greedy instead.

I think you may be spending too much time in your echo chamber, because out here in the real world - where you're not surrounded by people who may decide it benefits them to support you no matter what - I have to doubt that I'm the only one who just sees you as being needlessly petty. If it were a matter of "need," you would have given her the cash, but the simple act of her wanting what she's owed - per your terms - somehow changes things for you? Not out here, it doesn't. If you keep contorting to justify your chosen course, you may end up pulling something.

Although it wasn't explicitly stated in your initial mention of the raffle and its terms, I believe any reasonable person would have read it and come to the conclusion that they'd get 1) an animal that was produced from your own breeding stock; 2)$3000 if such an animal weren't produced. I'm not sure if you're trying to get clever with just what it means to "produce" something, but all context, as it relates to the reptile world, is supportive of the OP's position.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

This is truly disconcerting indeed.
Ty Parks HAD an awesome reputation and has indeed done much good work for great causes but.......
Old saying....hero to zero in 60 seconds flat!
It takes years to build up a good reputation and just one bad episode along these lines to ruin it possibly forever.
Now yes $3000 is a decent chunk of change and not to be thrown around freely but unless something else comes to light I would say it is pretty much cut and clear by his own statement of the terms.
The animal that HE produced as per the raffle terms or $3000 cash as per his own terms.
Not sure how much more straightforward that could be?

we need to also remember that he got $8,510 for this tegu that he claims he offered me.
$3,000 from the original raffle when i was a winner.
then when he re raffled it he got another
$3,000 donation and
$2,510 from the new winner.
i wish he had offered me the t+ like he posted that he did (but didn't) he gave the other 3 people t+ purple albinos because that was all he produced but he wouldn't give me one because he thought i was "greedy"
so he should at least pay me the money promised.

in my state it is not legal to do a raffle the clerk said when he hears the case which is now at the end of febuary i will definitely get the $400 and the $100 back for filing because the raffle was not legal here. but he advised me to retain council and see about pursuing it in his state (FL). this is why he gave me another court date.
i may have to go to FL and sue him there which IMO is ridiculous because it shouldn't have gotten to this point......
i will go to fl if i have to but it will be a big expense and i will ask for my legal fees and travel expenses too.
the state lottery and the its could check into this as well, but i have been put through enough and i wish that he would just give me a prize that was offered in the raffle either a t+ that he produced or the money.
because the other 2 original winners received a t+ albino purple and i feel like i should have received one as well.
according to his 2nd post when the official raffle started on march 10th he only specified an "baby albino" that he produced and to de delivered in july 1016
he admits to only producing the t+ purple albinos and that is whet i should have received.
I'm sorry if that seams wrong to some people.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Taesoon, name the "good friend" you anonymously quoted.

 

[Dro B]

Are you this aggressive face to face or just online?

If I was standing in front of you, you wouldn't be stupid enough to insult my intelligence by looking me in the eye and telling me to my face that because of you and the other idiot cult-like followers of this man who ripped off all these people for raffle tickets doesn't owe the op a tegu or $3,000 dollars. You are a keyboard gangster trying to imply that someone else is a keyboard gangster. I was replying to a moron who said something 110% false, regaurdless of wether he was too lazy to read, or just ignorant enough not to comprehend what he read. Nobody with cognitive brain function could read what's been posted and say that the OP, who shelled out $400 with a small chance and likely no expectation of winning something, asking for what she won, which was a tegu and which she has always wanted to be the tegu, as opposed to the $3,000 cash that was promised if the situation that arose happened, is somehow trying to take advantage of this guy who has at present time, stolen from her.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

A good friend sent me a brief message while I was in the plane getting ready to takeoff, headed home to Chicago. The message simply said in entirety as follows:
"Hey Ty,

Don't respond to the fauna BOI. She's trying to take advantage of you, plain and simple."

This was the first I heard of a recent post on FaunaClassifieds as I haven't been active on that site for a while now.

I have no time to read all the comments or even the initial complaint made by Michelle as I rather spend my valuable time during this precious season with my family and friends. It's is just a speck of irritation on my glass-is-always-full-life.

When IRCF (International Reptile Conservation Foundation) was having difficulty with it's fund raising efforts to help save some of the critically endangered iguanas, I wanted to step up and help. After couple days of thinking, I decided that the best way for me to help them right away was to run a raffle for one of my most desired species (albino tegu) that would be produced in 2016. At this point in the year, I was mostly sold out of animals that I produced in 2015 and I was also tapped out on my giving to reptile related causes, which exceeded $50,000 in 2015.

I ran the idea by IRCF, which is a registered non-profit, and they agreed that we should give it a try. The idea was for me to donate 2 albino tegus to raffle off to raise funds. In addition, I also donated a third albino tegu to a donor who wanted to donate $2500 for one albino tegu---instead of participating in a raffle. We collectively raised more than $7500 (it might be closer to $9000.00 but I can't remember the exact figure at the moment) for IRCF.

What I forgot or didn't think about at the time of the raffle was that there are two types of albino tegu: one is typical albino which are T- albino and the other is highly priced T+ or Purple albino tegu. These were produced by breeding heterozygous blue tegus, so the outcome of which albino or how many by looking at the parents or the eggs are useless. I typically sell my T- albino blue Tegu's for $2500 and T+/purple albino blue tegus for $5000. In 2015, most of my albinos were T- with only two being hatched as T+, which I kept as future breeders. That result was what I was expecting in 2016 but it didn't turn out that way---all the albino tegus I produced were, to my surprise, T+ albinos. At this point, I decided to tell Michelle and others that, although I produced albino tegus, they were all expensive type and that I would buy 3 normal T- tegus from a friend to send to them. I could have just bought the tegus from a friend and shipped them without them knowing but I wanted to be honest and open. The other two winner and buyer was more than happy and gracious but not Michelle. She wanted the $3000 instead because "I didn't produce albino tegu"---which I clearly did. If she approached me and asked for money because she needed the money due to her financial need, I would have most likely to helped her by sending her the money but I felt that she was rather being greedy instead. At this point she started to inundate me with questions which I did not want to answer knowing what kind of person she was and that anything I say might be twisted by her to her advantage, so my answer to her was none or very short. I decided also that I would send her the tegu that I produced (T+ albino) since her contention was that she wanted one that I produced and not by someone else, but I didn't communicate that with her to the end because I wanted to see what kind of person she was and she was greedy to the end. I ask for her address twice so that I could ship her the tegu but she refused each time. After the second refusal, I decided to auction off the tegu I was going to ship her to raise more money for IRCF, which we did to the tune of more than $5000.

Soon I received a registered letter informing me of a lawsuit filed by her in MA. After much thought, I hired an attorney to take care of the lawsuit and fight her claims in court. We decided to ask for change of venue as it would be difficult/inconvenient for me to attend this court case and because the farm is in FL. After few back and forth filing amendments, my attorney set up a phone session with magistrate judge on Dec. 13. At this meeting, she asked for a tegu but I refused because I didn't think she deserved it and that tegu I saved for her was auction off already. I offered her $400 to reimburse her for the raffle tickets she purchase. The next court date is in February and I'll let the judge decide what is right. All I wanted to do was to help the animals in desperate need. In the future, I would still try to help animals in need but with caution. If I see a suffering dog in an enclosed car, I am still going to break the "law" and damage someone's property.

I am currently dictating this response in flight so that once at home, I would not waste my valuable time on this. This will be my one and only post. I'll let others judge me for my actions positive or negative. This time of the year is great and fun time for me and I wish everyone the same---great holiday season filled with love of family and friendship. Here's looking at 2017 with open arms and open hearts.

Ty

i dont know how to quote certain things here but really ty....

who talks to people and about them like this???

"What I forgot or didn't think about at the time of the raffle was that there are two types of albino tegu: one is typical albino which are T- albino and the other is highly priced T+ or Purple albino tegu. These were produced by breeding heterozygous blue tegus, so the outcome of which albino or how many by looking at the parents or the eggs are useless. I typically sell my T- albino blue Tegu's for $2500 and T+/purple albino blue tegus for $5000. In 2015, most of my albinos were T- with only two being hatched as T+, which I kept as future breeders. That result was what I was expecting in 2016 but it didn't turn out that way---all the albino tegus I produced were, to my surprise, T+ albinos. At this point, I decided to tell Michelle and others that, although I produced albino tegus, they were all expensive type and that I would buy 3 normal T- tegus from a friend to send to them. I could have just bought the tegus from a friend and shipped them without them knowing but I wanted to be honest and open."

HE WASNT EVEN ABLE TO GET THE 3 FROM HIS FRIEND...


"If she approached me and asked for money because she needed the money due to her financial need, I would have most likely to helped her by sending her the money but I felt that she was rather being greedy instead."

THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO ABOUT ME NEEDING THE MONEY. I DONT NEED THE MONEY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECIEVE WHAT WAS PROMISED AND I FEEL THAT TY WAS UNFAIR ANS DECEPTIVE IN THIS RAFFLE ( AT LEAST WUITH ME)

"but I didn't communicate that with her to the end because I wanted to see what kind of person she was and she was greedy to the end. I ask for her address twice so that I could ship her the tegu but she refused each time."

TY NEVER SAID TO ME HE WOULD SHIP ME A T+ PURPLE ALBINO. THE TIMES HE ASKED ME FOR MY ADRESS I HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE SHIPPED. THE FIRST TIME HE WOULDNT GIVE ME THE BREEDERS INFO AND COULDNT OR WOULDNT EVEN SUPPLY ME WITH ANY PICS OF WHAT HE WANTED TO SEND ME....

"I didn't think she deserved it and that tegu I saved for her was auction off already."

$8,510 HE GOT FOR THIS SUPPOSED TEGU
THAT IN MY OPINION IS GREED AND HIS WORDS AND ACTIONS ARE LIKE HE FEELS HE IS THE REPTILE GOD.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND IN TYS POST HERE TO ME IT IS CLEAR THAT HE IS SOMEONE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BEWARE OF. UNLESS THEY WANT TO KISS HIS A$$ AND BOW DOWN TO HIM

I HAVENT CALLED TY NAMES, I WAS AS CALM AS I COULD BE IN MY MESSAGES WITH HIM AND ONLY WANTED WHAT WAS RIGHTFULLY MINE.
NOW HE MAY FEEL THAT HE HAS A LOOPHOLE BECAUSE OF THE LAWS HERE IN MASS AND THERE IN FL OR WHERE HIS PLACE OF RESIDENCE IN ILLINOIS IS BUT EVEN IF I DONT GET ONE CENT FROM HIM PEOPLE NEED TO USE CAUTION WHEN DEALING WITH THIS MAN.

 

[Mike (The M)]

we need to also remember that he got $8,510 for this tegu that he claims he offered me.
$3,000 from the original raffle when i was a winner.
then when he re raffled it he got another
$3,000 donation and
$2,510 from the new winner.
i wish he had offered me the t+ like he posted that he did (but didn't) he gave the other 3 people t+ purple albinos because that was all he produced but he wouldn't give me one because he thought i was "greedy"
so he should at least pay me the money promised.

in my state it is not legal to do a raffle the clerk said when he hears the case which is now at the end of febuary i will definitely get the $400 and the $100 back for filing because the raffle was not legal here. but he advised me to retain council and see about pursuing it in his state (FL). this is why he gave me another court date.
i may have to go to FL and sue him there which IMO is ridiculous because it shouldn't have gotten to this point......
i will go to fl if i have to but it will be a big expense and i will ask for my legal fees and travel expenses too.
the state lottery and the its could check into this as well, but i have been put through enough and i wish that he would just give me a prize that was offered in the raffle either a t+ that he produced or the money.
because the other 2 original winners received a t+ albino purple and i feel like i should have received one as well.
according to his 2nd post when the official raffle started on march 10th he only specified an "baby albino" that he produced and to de delivered in july 1016
he admits to only producing the t+ purple albinos and that is whet i should have received.
I'm sorry if that seams wrong to some people.

Honestly, if you're able to get the money back that you initially put in and the court costs, I'd leave it at that. Yes, you won. Ty is clearly not going to hold up his end of the bargain, and is it really worth it to go down to Florida where you may or may not get what you won?

Consider the value of your own time, as well as the added level of a contentious hearing, if he shows. If you can get your $400 and court costs back, cut your losses, and call it a day.

The point has been made, and really, this thread has served its purpose.

 

[Kristi23]

i dont know how to quote certain things here but really ty....

who talks to people and about them like this???

"What I forgot or didn't think about at the time of the raffle was that there are two types of albino tegu: one is typical albino which are T- albino and the other is highly priced T+ or Purple albino tegu. These were produced by breeding heterozygous blue tegus, so the outcome of which albino or how many by looking at the parents or the eggs are useless. I typically sell my T- albino blue Tegu's for $2500 and T+/purple albino blue tegus for $5000. In 2015, most of my albinos were T- with only two being hatched as T+, which I kept as future breeders. That result was what I was expecting in 2016 but it didn't turn out that way---all the albino tegus I produced were, to my surprise, T+ albinos. At this point, I decided to tell Michelle and others that, although I produced albino tegus, they were all expensive type and that I would buy 3 normal T- tegus from a friend to send to them. I could have just bought the tegus from a friend and shipped them without them knowing but I wanted to be honest and open."

HE WASNT EVEN ABLE TO GET THE 3 FROM HIS FRIEND...


"If she approached me and asked for money because she needed the money due to her financial need, I would have most likely to helped her by sending her the money but I felt that she was rather being greedy instead."

THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO ABOUT ME NEEDING THE MONEY. I DONT NEED THE MONEY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECIEVE WHAT WAS PROMISED AND I FEEL THAT TY WAS UNFAIR ANS DECEPTIVE IN THIS RAFFLE ( AT LEAST WUITH ME)

"but I didn't communicate that with her to the end because I wanted to see what kind of person she was and she was greedy to the end. I ask for her address twice so that I could ship her the tegu but she refused each time."

TY NEVER SAID TO ME HE WOULD SHIP ME A T+ PURPLE ALBINO. THE TIMES HE ASKED ME FOR MY ADRESS I HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE SHIPPED. THE FIRST TIME HE WOULDNT GIVE ME THE BREEDERS INFO AND COULDNT OR WOULDNT EVEN SUPPLY ME WITH ANY PICS OF WHAT HE WANTED TO SEND ME....

"I didn't think she deserved it and that tegu I saved for her was auction off already."

$8,510 HE GOT FOR THIS SUPPOSED TEGU
THAT IN MY OPINION IS GREED AND HIS WORDS AND ACTIONS ARE LIKE HE FEELS HE IS THE REPTILE GOD.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND IN TYS POST HERE TO ME IT IS CLEAR THAT HE IS SOMEONE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BEWARE OF. UNLESS THEY WANT TO KISS HIS A$$ AND BOW DOWN TO HIM

I HAVENT CALLED TY NAMES, I WAS AS CALM AS I COULD BE IN MY MESSAGES WITH HIM AND ONLY WANTED WHAT WAS RIGHTFULLY MINE.
NOW HE MAY FEEL THAT HE HAS A LOOPHOLE BECAUSE OF THE LAWS HERE IN MASS AND THERE IN FL OR WHERE HIS PLACE OF RESIDENCE IN ILLINOIS IS BUT EVEN IF I DONT GET ONE CENT FROM HIM PEOPLE NEED TO USE CAUTION WHEN DEALING WITH THIS MAN.

I agree by his wording that you should get the tegu or money promised. But please remember that the money made didn't go to Ty. It went to a non profit and he didn't profit from this. Just want to put that out there since you made it sound like he made this money and was greedy. That said, I hope he makes you right. It's the right thing to do and would go a long way for his reputation which has always been excellent. I've seen him bid up charity auctions and give large sums to USARK. I believe he's a good guy, but he does need to fix this asap. Good luck to you and I hope this is settled soon.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

im sorry i am trying to not let my emotions get in the way but he has made libelous statements about me, slandered me, called me names and i am really disappointed in ty i will NEVER purchase from him nor will i suggest anyone else purchase from him.

i am a reptile keeper and a breeder of small animals and i would NEVER talk to a person like this especially a customer.......

i have never done business with someone that has talked to me like this... my parents and kids dont even speak to me like this.

very disappointing

i think mr Ty Park needs to step back and jump off his horse.

treat people how you want to be treated.

a while back he flipped on his page because someone called him "bud"

i can only imagine what he would do or how he would feel if someone called him GREEDY, UNEDUCATED, THANKLESS and basically demand that he bow down to them.

 

[Dro B]

Honestly, if you're able to get the money back that you initially put in and the court costs, I'd leave it at that. Yes, you won. Ty is clearly not going to hold up his end of the bargain, and is it really worth it to go down to Florida where you may or may not get what you won?

Consider the value of your own time, as well as the added level of a contentious hearing, if he shows. If you can get your $400 and court costs back, cut your losses, and call it a day.

The point has been made, and really, this thread has served its purpose.

I agree something else may be best, maybe if she agrees, refund, court costs and donate the rest of the 3 grand in her name, that would be generous of her but still not fair, but at least neither will lose and at least he can walk away with a little dignity and redemption, and I think he'd go for it.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

i dont know what the purpose of promises or rules are if they can just be broken.

people say he is a man of his word. but he is not, people say he is a great guy and a respected breeder but would a great guy try and humiliate, degrade and slander someone if they are in the right? no

this all could have been avoided if he just upheld his part of the deal which he could have easily done both financially OR with offering a me a t+ like he did with the others. just because he now says that he felt that i was not worthy of receiving the money or the prize that he promised does not and should not let him off the hook.
this is an awful way of doing business.

i have never dealt with someone who is narcissistic, or egotistical and i hope i never have to again.


i donate in the sugar glider community a lot (maybe not on the same level as ty does but a donating is donating) but i dont want the praise, i dont flaunt it and i dont require recognition of it when doing business with someone.

i guess i need to accept that people treat people and do business with people in different ways.

my reputation is important and i am always true to my word, i expected that ty would have as well.

 

[Prahanien]

Honestly, if you're able to get the money back that you initially put in and the court costs, I'd leave it at that. Yes, you won. Ty is clearly not going to hold up his end of the bargain, and is it really worth it to go down to Florida where you may or may not get what you won?

Consider the value of your own time, as well as the added level of a contentious hearing, if he shows. If you can get your $400 and court costs back, cut your losses, and call it a day.

The point has been made, and really, this thread has served its purpose.

I 100% feel like this is going to be the outcome. She will get back the money she fronted in the auction, not $3000. It may have been "promised" but there's probably a little too much semantics going on when it comes to the original raffle post. By us, she is owed the $3000, but from a legal standpoint, she's really only owed the $400.

 

[3240]

If I was standing in front of you, you wouldn't be stupid enough to insult my intelligence by looking me in the eye and telling me to my face that because of you and the other idiot cult-like followers of this man who ripped off all these people for raffle tickets doesn't owe the op a tegu or $3,000 dollars. You are a keyboard gangster trying to imply that someone else is a keyboard gangster. I was replying to a moron who said something 110% false, regaurdless of wether he was too lazy to read, or just ignorant enough not to comprehend what he read. Nobody with cognitive brain function could read what's been posted and say that the OP, who shelled out $400 with a small chance and likely no expectation of winning something, asking for what she won, which was a tegu and which she has always wanted to be the tegu, as opposed to the $3,000 cash that was promised if the situation that arose happened, is somehow trying to take advantage of this guy who has at present time, stolen from her.

You insult me personally yet I'm the "keyboard gangster"? This is not a conversation that we'd be having face to face.

Can you define what it means to be a "cult like follower"? I'll let you know if I fit the bill.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

I 100% feel like this is going to be the outcome. She will get back the money she fronted in the auction, not $3000. It may have been "promised" but there's probably a little too much semantics going on when it comes to the original raffle post. By us, she is owed the $3000, but from a legal standpoint, she's really only owed the $400.

if raffles were legal in my state legally he would have to give what he promised, the march 9th post where he engages his followers is slightly different than the terms stated on march 10th when the auction actually was started. the difference being that on the march 10th post he did not specify what type of albino, it just stated a baby albino tegu assumed to still be one that he produced, because he did produce only purple albino (t +) and the other 2 winners did receive t+ albinos this is what i should have received as well...
this is why the clerk postponed it again. he wanted to give me time to contact the the appropriate agencies, FL court and counsel in FL, to discuss.

it is now my understanding that in FL it IS legal to run a raffle as long as it is run for a non prophet organization. if it is taken to fl courts with discovery we will know a lot more. it is ashame that is had to come t o this. i never imagined it would because before i entered the raffle i was told ty is a stand u guy. not until after he refused to send me one of the prizes did i find out that he is not honest and as reputable as i thought, any of his followers have pm'd me expressing their disappointment as well and one person even apologized for the way he is handling this for the whole reptile community.

i may only get the $500 back but if i knew some of the things i know now i would not have risked loosing $400 to entering into a contract (the raffle) to win something that i would never receive. i dont know many people that would.

there are many people that agree with me and feel that ty should give what he promised and i know that his loyal followers probably see things one of his many ways.
if ty is not going to uphold his end of the deal with is looking like he is not all i can hope for at this point now is that hopefully no one will have to go through what i am going through with ty again. knowing what has happened in this situation people can now make their own decision and take the risk or not. its kind of like entering at your own risk

 

[Bobby Douglass]

I've always been a fan of Ty but from what both parties have stated here and the screen shots in my opinion he certainly owes Michelle an albino tegu that he produced or $3000.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

There should not be any quotations being relayed from unidentified parties here. That needs to be curbed immediately and provided with attribution by name to avoid infractions.

 

[Lucille]

This was the first I heard of a recent post on FaunaClassifieds as I haven't been active on that site for a while now.

Yesterday, I sent you notification via Fauna email. Whether you are active or not, you should have received it.

I have no time to read all the comments or even the initial complaint made by Michelle

I think that is a real mistake. I have advised Michelle to contact the recipients of the funding of this raffle, they will read the comments.

-all the albino tegus I produced were, to my surprise, T+ albinos. At this point, I decided to tell Michelle and others that, although I produced albino tegus, they were all expensive type and that I would buy 3 normal T- tegus from a friend to send to them.

Bait and switch, you baited the raffle with the expectation of critters produced by you, and then switched the prizes after the fact because the critters you produced were too nice for your supporters.

I decided also that I would send her the tegu that I produced (T+ albino) since her contention was that she wanted one that I produced and not by someone else, but I didn't communicate that with her to the end because I wanted to see what kind of person she was

I do not believe this went down this way, but you seem to be saying that your choices are not motivated by honor, rather that you do whatever strikes your fancy at the time.

I think Ty is being somewhat supercilious, and feels that the comments that good people here have taken their time to write are not good enough for him to take his time to read. I feel that clearly Michelle deserves the prize under the original terms.
I believe sending links to this thread to assorted recipients in and out of the reptile world will help others see and judge the situation for themselves, and that some may choose to help Michelle, and that others may choose not to do business with Ty until this issue is resolved and Michelle receives what is rightfully owed to her.
I'll get started on that today. Meanwhile, thousands of views here on the site will show that others are reading the thread Ty did not have time for.

 

[Andy_G]

So...the contest said that if he produces, then he will give the winners the tegus, and if he didn't produce, then he would give the winners $3,000. If he is so well off, generous and as kind as his reputation indicates him to be...why wouldn't it be the first choice to give the winners purple albino tegus even if their market value is much higher? Wouldn't that not only be the right thing to do, but further ELEVATE him even moreso in our community? It's what was produced and not something being resold so there's nothing to recoup. I don't understand and his actions do not sit well with me...whether the OP is being greedy or not or or whether she handled it 100% correctly or not is completely irrelevant...a man of his word should deliver on his own statements. It's really that simple and shouldn't be more complicated than that. Saying all of that...OP is really only out the cost of the tickets and I wouldn't be surprised if that's all a court will grant her.

 

[Mister Internet]

There are a couple of area charities near Chicago that run "million dollar home" raffles every year. They accumulate tens of thousands of entries at $100+ a ticket, and the terms are clear... if you pay for the chance to win a million dollar house, and you WIN, you can have the million dollar house built, or you can take $1,000,000 in cash. Those are the TERMS. Now, image a couple scenarios:

A) Raffle participant pays $1,000 for 10 tickets in said raffle... their ticket is chosen, and they choose the $1M payout. Problem solved. Terms fulfilled.

B) Raffle participant pays $1,000 for 10 tickets in said raffle... their ticket is chosen, and they choose the $1M house to be built for them. Problem solved. Terms fulfilled.

C) Raffle participant pays $1,000 for 10 tickets in said raffle... their ticket is chosen. Raffle organizers specify in the terms that they are working with a builder who will already have the house BUILT by the time the raffle winners are chosen, and that the builder has promised them the final product will be worth $1M. The raffle organizers further specify that if the builder doesn't honor their agreement or doesn't finish the house in time, even though there's "close to zero chance" of that happening, the winner will instead receive $1M in cash. When it comes time to honor the raffle winner with their prize, the raffle organizers find out the house is actually worth TWO million, and they realize that they are leaving $1M "on the table" if they honor the terms of the raffle as originally specified. The raffle organizers then engage in semantic games by "Well, we promised you a ONE million dollar house, but not a TWO million dollar house... we can't give you this house because it's TEHNICALLY not what you won." The raffle participant, rightfully upset, then says "well, since THEN the builder didn't TECHNICALLY fulfill their end of the agreement, I'm now due the $1M cash prize that you said would be offered in place of the house, should the builder fail to fulfill their obligation." The organizers then reply, "But the builder DID produce a house,it's just not one that we can give you, so technically the terms were met... why are you so focused on the money, are you that greedy? You know we're a charity, right?" The participant says, "I'm focused on the money because you won't give me my house." The raffle organizers then offer, "Hey, so since we won't give you the house that was built, even though we said we would, since it's way nicer than the house you actually won, even though it's what we agreed on, and you seem to be REALLY concerned about money, how about we just give you your $1,000 back and call it a day?" The participant now replies, "No, that's not what I won and am rightfully owed." Raffle organizers say, "You know what, we were actually going to give you the house anyway if you dropped your insistence on making this right, but now that you've proved that all you care about is money instead of the charity we're holding this raffle for, you don't get anything."

I can tell you 2 things for sure... (C) is the situation that happened here, and if this had happened in real life, the people responsible for that bait and switch and resulting semantic games would be in jail right now.

This guy sounds like a good guy who got trapped by his own cavalier attitude towards his breeding prowess. He promised an albino if he produced one, but he only produced BETTER ones, and he didn't want to take the hit. This makes NO sense from a practical point of view, but it does make sense in the "leaving money on the table" point of view. If he had produced 15 tegus, 14 of which were T+, and one of which was T-, he's telling us he would have had no problem fulfilling the agreement. But, since he produced ALL T+, and they are worth more, he's not obligated to honor the agreement... AS IF IT'S THE BUYER'S FAULT THAT HE GOT LUCKY! THAT'S what's especially brazen about this... he's penalizing the buyer for his good luck. That's a low blow. If he only planned on having half T+ in total, then he's ALREADY way ahead of his game, but he has to hold on to one more T+ instead of honoring his agreement? A T+ he wasn't expecting to produce anyway?

It seems to be obvious here what the right thing to do is... what I can't understand is why someone who seems to have such a good heart and great track record is acting this way regarding an agreement with terms that HE SPECIFIED. NO ONE put a gun to his head and MADE him add the "if I don't produce one, I'll give you $3000 cash" caveat... HE CHOSE to add that as part of the TERMS. In fact, it's rather a silly caveat to add for a charity auction, as the charity doesn't get any more money than if he'd just written them a check for $3K and skipped the raffle. In the "I don't produce an albino, even though I did" scenario, he just becomes a money manager that has basically consolidated a bunch of people's tickets into cash winnings for one person, and the charity gets zero dollars. Seems like a very strange arrangement to me.

I don't see how the proper outcome is at all confusing for Mr. Park, but he may be succumbing to the echo chamber of his FB fans, which as we all know is a very poor substitute for real life. The BOI is real life, and I think the comment here in support of the OP reflect that.

 

[ShadowAceD]

Highly disappointing, Ty -- your attitude towards this situation and your own written response here suggests you believe your reputation to be so robust that you can afford the negative impact for allowing this outcome.

Your behavior also suggests you are well aware that you are likely to lose your case so you are going to do what you can to delay it and force her to endure the litigation. A concerning notion considering that the reasonable assumption at this point is even if she wins she is not going to get what the court states she is owed because it is up to her to be able to recover the verdict allowances which will be more resources used by here unless you pony up from the get go.

You do not get to take someone's money for a raffle, ignore your own terms when said raffle has concluded and then decide someone is not worthy of what you yourself said they are owed. Perhaps if you had returned her original 400.00 there could be some wiggle room here, but you are the one who stated that 3,000.00 was an option should you not produce the animals you claimed you you would be producing, that was not something she wrote nor something she "exploited".

It would seem that your charitable tendencies towards the community are something you believe make you immune to scrutiny in such a situation, but that is far from the case.

You allowed a raffle of chickens before the eggs hatched; while it was with good intention, such a thing is a very large gamble, particular if you, on your own accord and free will, state you will offer monetary compensation from your own pocket should the breeding not go as planned. This is a corner you put yourself in and instead of working your way out of the corner with dignity and class, you are lashing out at a winner as if it is her fault you failed to produce what you believed you would.

She is not obligated to accept something beyond the terms you, yourself, laid out.

She is not obligated to accept a Tegu someone else produced.

She is not obligated to accept that you did not disclose what type of Albino animal would be given and, therefore, refuse to offer up a more expensive Albino.

She is not obligated to ignore that you stated you will pay out of your own pocket if things did not turn out as the raffle suggested they would.

Ty, I implore you to do the right thing here and not become one of those people who thinks their good deeds will always protect them from the occasional bad one while you make claims against this woman to try and harm her reputation. You, as you have presented yourself over the years, should be better than that.

You made a mistake, the mistake has evolved into a larger mistake over time, but it can still be corrected.

There will be a scar, of course, but scars fade over time.

Please do not punish someone else because the odds were not in your favor and because you realized you made terms to a raffle you likely should not have.

She is owed a T- Albino you produced, a T+, if that is all you have, or the 3,000.00.

It really is that simple.

 

[srsb]

I'll join the chorus of people agreeing that the OP is in the right, and Ty is in the wrong. No one thinks that Ty set out to make the raffle go in a different direction than planned, but since it did, Ty, you are the one responsible. As Tom said, you are responsible because of your GOOD luck in producing more expensive animals! But, still, the change in circumstances was on your end, not the OPs. You owe her a tegu or $3000.

And, as Lucille mentioned, that statement about not telling her what you were "planning" to do with sending the more expensive tegu "to see what kind of person she was", sounds fishy. But, if true, it shows a lot more of what kind of person you are than what kind of person Michelle is. I see absolutely no greediness in any of Michelle's statements - only a desire to get what she rightfully is due by winning the raffle. Wanting what is yours is not "greedy".

Apologize to Michelle, and send her a tegu or $3000, and people are likely to accept that this incident was a one time case where things went a bit sideways in an otherwise pretty great reputation, but in the end you accept responsibility that falls squarely on you.

Returning her $400, while it may turn out to be all that is required by law, is not "solving" things. It is weaseling out of a deal you made, on a technicality. You will not appear to have done the right thing in resolving this for only returning her $400.