Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[Lucille]

Dan I agree. I would definitely initiate complaints (investigated on the state's dime) and make a lot of noise (being careful with facts).
I think Michelle is getting the runaround. Time to put a stop to that.

 

[Lucille]

And if Ty is not an Az bona fide local member, it might be effective to initiate a complaint about his behavior in Florida as well, just so they can have a look at what is going on.
As I said before, John did not seem to be acting as if he was in charge of the raffle and prizes in his posts that were presented on this thread.

 

[Lucille]

And if I was filling out complaints against the parties, I would include a link to this thread. That way, Ty (and John) would be shown as they are, and their communications to Michelle would speak loudly to the truth of what she is saying.

 

[Dro B]

The one thing I think all of Ty's groupies are forgetting is that everyone who bought a raffle ticket was donating money right along with him, nobody who bought those tickets expected to actually win. $100 per ticket for a 1 in 60 chance at winning is a big risk so to say the OP expected something for her $400 and is taking advantage is rediculous. She had no clue she would win so when she gave up that much money, she was making a donation as well, she just happened to win. If he can in fact write these tegu's off, hes the one taking advantage here.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

The one thing I think all of Ty's groupies are forgetting is that everyone who bought a raffle ticket was donating money right along with him, nobody who bought those tickets expected to actually win. $100 per ticket for a 1 in 60 chance at winning is a big risk so to say the OP expected something for her $400 and is taking advantage is rediculous. She had no clue she would win so when she gave up that much money, she was making a donation as well, she just happened to win. If he can in fact write these tegu's off, hes the one taking advantage here.

i believe the "donated tegus" are a complete write off for him. i could be wrong but last year i donated 2 sugar gliders to a sg nutrition study and later i was told that it was a write off for me. also every time i donate products that i make and sell for gliders to a non profit they give me a tax deduction reciept

in mass there is whats called chapter 93a triple damages for "unfair and deceptive" business practices which i did also file because this was very deceptive and veryyyy unfair. but being in different states and them having different laws is where things get complicated, we are talking now 3 different states. massachusetts , florida and arizona ( and his residence is in chicago illinois)

this may not even be just a small claims matter anymore, we are trying to figure all of this out now. and what state would be the best avenue to pursue this.

there is a potential small claims matter,
a deformation per se, slander complaint
and criminal possibilities as well.

lawyers are REALLY expensive.
so i am hoping to get one on a contingency agreement

ALL I WANT IS MY TEGUUUUUUUUU )like the others got :/

 

[Sugarhedgie]

part of the FL laws on raffles
speaking of a non profit organization which i do not believe ty is anyway but this is interesting

"it is unlawful for any organization that is authorized to conduct a drawing by chance to require an entry fee, donation, substantial consideration, payment, proof of purchase, or contribution as a condition of either entering the drawing or being selected to win a prize.[10] Therefore, the organization distributing the raffle tickets may not require a contribution or donation in order to participate in the raffle; nor may it arbitrarily disqualify or reject any entry or discriminate in any manner between entrants who contribute to the organization and those who do not.[11] It is also unlawful to fail to notify the person whose entry is selected to win that they have won, or to fail to award the prizes in the manner and at the time stated.[12] "

 

[bcr229]

When you paid for the tickets, did you pay Ty or did you pay the IRCF for them?

 

[Fangthane]

When you paid for the tickets, did you pay Ty or did you pay the IRCF for them?

I paid with PayPal. Paid directly to the IRCF in the memo "for ty parks raffle"

It's unfortunate that he didn't seem to explicitly instruct those buying tickets to put that very text into the PayPal memo. Would have made any possible misconduct a bit easier to prove.

 

[DNAexotics]

Im just going to offer some advice to the op, as i have no dog in this fight but i noticed a very important note. In the attached convo, ty clearly offered to send a purple albino as the award, which exceeds value and was then refused due to speculation. I thought it was a dicey piece and that before you try and proceed you need to contact an attorney and show them that and get their legal advice. Even a piss poor attorney can take a piece like that and bury the case with it, and due to refusal you can be green lighting the countersuit i believe. I am not an attorney, but i have dealt with many and the i can easily see that portion being your refusal of award. Just my 0.02.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

It's unfortunate that he didn't seem to explicitly instruct those buying tickets to put that very text into the PayPal memo. Would have made any possible misconduct a bit easier to prove.

I put that in each memo of the 4 tickets I bought

I think even without him saying that. That there is enough proof of his misconduct, his demeanor, his failure to honor HIS raffle terms and he raffled off the tegu he claims was mine again for another $5,510

I really hoped he doesn't get away with what he has done because of the technicalaties of the 3 maybe 4 different state laws.

Someone I know bought an iguana from him after the raffle (that also proves that he does do business with and ships to mass residents) But she is terrified of him because it is not nice at all and he's just a baby. ;/ I'm currently helping her work with it.
when I sell a sugar glider if it has attitude (because some do) I fully disclose it to the customer.
I have never owned an iguana before and tbh would never buy one. Tegus are my preference but that's just me.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Im just going to offer some advice to the op, as i have no dog in this fight but i noticed a very important note. In the attached convo, ty clearly offered to send a purple albino as the award, which exceeds value and was then refused due to speculation. I thought it was a dicey piece and that before you try and proceed you need to contact an attorney and show them that and get their legal advice. Even a piss poor attorney can take a piece like that and bury the case with it, and due to refusal you can be green lighting the countersuit i believe. I am not an attorney, but i have dealt with many and the i can easily see that portion being your refusal of award. Just my 0.02.

Ty saying that he did produce them in that ss you posted he was referring to a t- that previously in the same conversation he had already stated that he did not produce any blues only purples but "he only owes me 2500 and he sells the purples for $5000" He told me (didn't even ask me if I was ok with that) that he was going to get one from a friend but would not tell me who the friend / breeder was and wouldn't/ couldn't produce any pics of the one he was wanting to send me. He was very evasive and not honest, trying to change HIS own terms by trying to pressure me into accepting a tegu t- that he would get from an undisclosed source (and later admitted that he could even get them from the friend anyway)
He also never posted any pics of any t- albino blues on his page because as he admitted he did not produce any. He never offered me a t+ purple not once more his only response here on this thread was .... he admits that he only produced purples that are worth more and that he did not disclose that he would send me one till the end because ty almighty wanted to see what kind of a person I was.

I never refused a tegu produced by him. The times he asked me for my shipping info I nearly wanted proof of pics of the litters of the albino blues and of the one that he wanted to send. But he didn't have one to send and didn't send any pics That is diversion

The one(t+ purple) he now claims he was going to send me he auctione off in Oct after the court papers were filed.

But I will def check unit that. Thanks

 

[Lucille]

It seems to me that John was supposed to run the raffle, and that includes distributing the prizes. There is plenty of case law all over about organizations trying to run a raffle when they don't actually have the prizes they offer, and the cases are not favorable to those organizations.
It may be that what actually happened was that the IRCF was the recipient of the funds but Ty actually ran the raffle. Your screen shot shows Ty actually saying "How many of you would be interested if I ran an online raffle"
If Ty is not a non profit, he cannot run a raffle either in Florida or Arizona.
The actual disposition of this issue may be in Arizona because it looks like the IRCF was supposed to run the raffle and if so, it is their duty to have and award the advertised prizes.
I'll look into who to contact in a little bit.

 

[zovick]

I have read this entire thread and there is no question that the stated raffle terms were not honored. Michelle should be given her tegu or the $3K as promised.

Is there no one in the IRCF hierarchy who can see this? Or recognize the fact that giving her $3K will be a lot less costly than having your books audited by the IRS and probably by at least one of the involved states' revenue departments as well?

Several things which have been stated here as being done by the organization (or in its name by others) are of questionable legality if true, and will bring the organization (and probably some of the donors as well) a good deal of scrutiny by the IRS if it becomes involved. If any fraud is suspected, the IRS can go all the way back to the year of inception with no statute of limitations as I recall.

If I were in charge of the organization, I would already have given her the money and been done with it before a big can of worms were opened. Just my opinion..........

 

[Lucille]

Opening the can of worms:

he sent the 2 other 2 winners the t+ albino purples .....
but not me because " he didn't think i deserved it" because he thinks i am "greedy" GTFOH

i am very curious if the IRCF got the whole $14,510 that he raised on this raffle
march 15 he got ....
1. $3,000 donation (anonymous donation for an albino)
2. $6,000 for the 60 tickets he sold for the raffle (winners were me and grant g.)
= $9,000.00

then in oct he re raffled the T+ albino that he claimed was mine and raised
3. $3,000 donation
4. $2,510 was the winning bidder
=$5,510

TOTAL raised would be $14,510.00 that is a lot of money that should be accounted for somewhere

i hope he doesn't do this to anyone else and i really hope he changes the way he treats and talks to people.
i hope that all of the money that is raised in future charity/ non profit auctions/raffles goes to the organizations AND i hope that every winner receives their prizes that are promised, so they aren't forced into a situation like i am now in with TY PARK.
I'm sure some people may just let it go and that is so unfortunate because if no one stands up to TY PARK when wronged then he will NEVER stop!!!!!

Since Ty Park seemed to say that the non-profit is based in Az, if Mr. Binns' organization is actually running the raffle, Mr. Park's involvement alone may put them in a bit of hot water - even if the proper forms were filed with the Az AG office. That's assuming that "bona fide local member" means what I think it does.

https://www.azag.gov/consumers/raffles
http://charitylawyerblog.com/2010/08/01/arizona-law-change-–-new-small-raffle-exception/

May be more hot water than they think. It appears that the IRCF may have received more than $10,000 from raffles, thereby excluding them from this new law change that allows small organizations to operates under a more relaxed
terms.

Easy free ways to get the can opener going for Michelle. Remember that good faith complaints are always appropriate:

Call the Arizona Gaming department and describe the issues here, including asking them how you can send a link to this thread of print it out and mail it.
https://gaming.az.gov/contact-us

https://consumer-complaint.azag.gov/publiccomplaint/begin.aspx

 

[Fangthane]

It would really be unfortunate if Ty Park's arrogance and litigious nature ended up setting the stage for a seemingly well-meaning charitable organization to find themselves in an actionable position with governmental agencies who may be interested in possible improprieties with how the raffle was run - issues that would likely never have come to light without his insistence on pushing someone to go so far in pursuit of what he owes her.

Worse than the hit his reputation will rightfully take from this, said arrogance could conceivably end up impacting IRCF's ability to collect the funds needed to continue their good work. All for one man's overinflated sense of self-importance. The easy potential for collateral damage just doesn't seem like it should be acceptable to a guy whose charitable contributions are based in anything other than egotism. His choice to allow this situation to continue escalating seems to be showing a pretty blatant disregard for anyone but himself.

 

[Afrock86]

I thought it was pretty fishy when John told Michele straight up not to involve the IRCF and tried to sweet talk her into not doing it after she mentioned she would. Starting to make sense why his "tone" in which he was talking to her changed. I think they know they might be doing something, technically, illegal. Even though I agree it's for a good cause, and I hope they got all or majority of the money, but when you leave doors open like this and let others outside of your organization to run these operations, you're asking for trouble.

 

[Lucille]

I think John made a choice here, and in my opinion, the wrong choice.

I am thinking that had he replied to Michelle and simply said he was going to look into the situation, perhaps that effort may have helped his organization, particularly if after some consideration, they chose to take an active hand in helping someone who simply wanted the advertised prize that was offered by their organization.

Instead he clearly stated he did not want to become involved. (post 117)

In my opinion, if an organization holds a raffle, it is up to them to award the advertised prizes to the winners.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

I don't know if this helps but this is the convo with John up until yesterday's convo that I already posted

 

[Sugarhedgie]

More.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

More..