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Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

Dro B said:
I feel they kind of have to side with him
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There are diplomatic, courteous ways to deal with differences but the bottom line is that one does not have to side with an action one feels is wrong.

Dro B said:
Say hey you've given us tens of thousands of dollars but we need you to shell out more to this lady
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It appears the IRCF is responsible for awarding prizes to their raffle. They could have simply offered Michelle some $ since of course they can't offer one of the particular lizard prizes. They would not have had to involve Ty at all in settling this matter. But John said he did not want to get involved.
 
Dro B said:
I understand the position of the charity, Ty has donated a ton of money to them and I feel they kind of have to side with him, because for all we know Ty might be the only reason they exist with the amount of money he's donated over the years, I think they are between a rock and a hard place and even if they are wrong for siding with Ty I can only imagine I'd do the same. What can they really do threaten a major contributor? Say hey you've given us tens of thousands of dollars but we need you to shell out more to this lady or we'll disown you? The position Ty has put the charity in pisses me off just as much , if not more than what he's pulling with Michelle. I really hope nothing bad falls on the charity because of this reptiles are diapering from this planet and these days humans don't even seem to care about the human race much less the animals who actually earned the right to exist on this planet.
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Are any of the officers of the charity reading this thread? Do they know what potential headaches they might prevent for themselves by simply paying out the promised $3K to Michelle?

I know some of the people listed as officers and I don't believe any of them are hurting for cash. If they are not willing to insist that Mr. Park keep HIS word, and none of them are willing or able to personally or collectively put up the $3K to fulfill the terms of THEIR own auction or raffle (whichever it is ultimately deemed to be) and save themselves a ton of government scrutiny of their operation, maybe they should start a Go Fund Me page to raise the money from those people who support their position and put this to rest.

As someone else mentioned, if you have ever experienced an IRS audit of your books, it is not pretty. I know I would jump at the chance to pay someone $3k to avoid enduring another one.
 
zovick said:
government scrutiny .
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I agree with William.

In my experience, a lot of scrutiny depends on the issue at hand. If the matter is settled to Michelle's satisfaction, that is a different issue than if she did not get any prize. The level of scrutiny may change accordingly.
 
Casey Hulse said:
I am sure I am biased, although I understand the basics of this dispute, and I do not think that Ty has gotten (nor does he want) fair representation here on the BOI. He has chosen to let his lawyers handle this, but many of you seem like you are offended because he has not come to this forum to plead his case. "because his time is too valuable". but that does not make him a "bad guy"
There are a lot of very bad people in this industry, and in my opinion his actions in this instance do not warrant the "bad guy" label some of you want to attach to him.
Do I think he screwed up? yeah.
Do I think he should be admired? Hell yes.
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Nonsense. The OP has posted numerous screenshots of Ty Park's own words. Representation doesn't get much more fair than that. I couldn't care less about his choice not to come here and justify something that he couldn't possibly justify to anything other than the group of enablers who only care about lining up to kiss his ass. If there were any significant missing pieces that would change the complexion of the situation and show that Ty is definitely in the right, I'm fairly confident that one of his mindless minions would have already rushed here to post them.

Unless he chooses to come here and say something like, "I'm an arrogant fool who let my ego get in the way of common sense and decency. Upon further reflection, I've decided to fulfill my obligation to the winner who hasn't received anything that my own terms promised." his input isn't really needed here. If your sole interest is to stand up and be counted among those enablers who are so willing to admire his past deeds and let them outweigh and soften the impact of this current situation, I think your continued input is equally useless here. His actions toward the OP are absolutely Bad Guy material, no matter how much he's given to charity; no matter how many past transactions have gone flawlessly.
 
Did someone just applaud Tys actions for addressing the op out of her prize? Wtf is wrong with people. Sorry but no amount of ass kissing to ty is going to guarantee that he won't screw you over in the future. I for one used to like ty and thought his conservation effort were awesome. But if this is how unprofessional he is when handling problems and not get his way then he's undeserving of business.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
Ty did come here and his response was in post# 77
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Yeah, I saw (and replied to) it fairly soon after it was posted. My comment was addressing this one:
but many of you seem like you are offended because he has not come to this forum to plead his case
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I guess I should have said "further justify". He pleaded his case to the extent he seemed interested in doing so, and the vast majority here seem to feel that he's wrong. If he's fully dug in his heels on the matter - which it seems he has - further input from him isn't really needed.
 
Fangthane said:
Yeah, I saw (and replied to) it fairly soon after it was posted. My comment was addressing this one:

I guess I should have said "further justify". He pleaded his case to the extent he seemed interested in doing so, and the vast majority here seem to feel that he's wrong. If he's fully dug in his heels on the matter - which it seems he has - further input from him isn't really needed.
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Well you have to give him credit for the one grain of truth in his sole post, where he stated it would be his one and only post.

:laugh:
Personally from all I have seen and read I am quite content he has not bothered to post further.
 
Black Adder said:
Personally from all I have seen and read I am quite content he has not bothered to post further.
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That was basically my point. Considering just how well this train's kept a-rollin' along witout him, it was pretty disingenuous to imply that his absence plays any kind of meaningful part in the negative opinions being expressed about him.

However, for those who may find value in examining context clues, This Thread may be an interesting read. He seems to have had no problems with very actively participating in a situation where he was pretty clearly the target of libelous statements. When juxtaposed with the the current situation, some may find themselves wondering if his choice to abstain from this discussion may give a glimpse into what he really, privately feels about the part he's played in this. Or, maybe it's just me. :shrug01:
 
KelcifersDragons said:
Did someone just applaud Tys actions for addressing the op out of her prize? Wtf is wrong with people. Sorry but no amount of ass kissing to ty is going to guarantee that he won't screw you over in the future. I for one used to like ty and thought his conservation effort were awesome. But if this is how unprofessional he is when handling problems and not get his way then he's undeserving of business.
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Looks like I'm not the only one to get infraction because of this arrogant man.
 
Fangthane said:
Nonsense. The OP has posted numerous screenshots of Ty Park's own words. Representation doesn't get much more fair than that. I couldn't care less about his choice not to come here and justify something that he couldn't possibly justify to anything other than the group of enablers who only care about lining up to kiss his ass. If there were any significant missing pieces that would change the complexion of the situation and show that Ty is definitely in the right, I'm fairly confident that one of his mindless minions would have already rushed here to post them.

Unless he chooses to come here and say something like, "I'm an arrogant fool who let my ego get in the way of common sense and decency. Upon further reflection, I've decided to fulfill my obligation to the winner who hasn't received anything that my own terms promised." his input isn't really needed here. If your sole interest is to stand up and be counted among those enablers who are so willing to admire his past deeds and let them outweigh and soften the impact of this current situation, I think your continued input is equally useless here. His actions toward the OP are absolutely Bad Guy material, no matter how much he's given to charity; no matter how many past transactions have gone flawlessly.
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Did someone make you king?​
 If all you can do is hurl insults, maybe you should take a step back, and reflect on the fact that some people are not going to agree with you no matter what you call them.
 
Casey Hulse said:
If all you can do is hurl insults, maybe you should take a step back, and reflect on the fact that some people are not going to agree with you no matter what you call them.
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If all you can do is come here and spit in the face of the person who got screwed by the man you're apparently idolizing, I think you're the one who needs to step back. By making it a point to try to paint him as someone who should be beyond reproach, even after admitting he's wrong, that's exactly what I think you're doing - spitting in the victim's face.

However, if you have such an issue with insults and name-calling, maybe you should take a look at how Ty Park and his little Fakebook posse treated the OP. Something tells me you've no real interest in delving that deeply, especially when it could possibly lower his pedestal a bit, but maybe you should give it a try.

You seem bound and determined to miss the point, but here it is in a nutshell: The screwing up doesn't make him a Bad Guy. His refusal to make it right makes him a Bad Guy. It's that simple, no matter what he's done in the past.


signed,
The King :rolleyes:
 
I don't know if Ty is reading this thread. I feel sure the IRCF must be, as at least two people sent links to this thread to them. I do not understand what purpose keeping silent, and not contacting the OP and making things right serves.

I would think it would be far better for the reputation of this foundation to do what is right, and do it early. If, on their part, there is some theory that the BOI is an isolated site with no ties to the real world, and if they ignore the BOI and this situation and instead make it difficult and expensive for the OP to collect the prize they should have given her, that it will all go away, I think that is an incorrect theory.

There are over 17,000 views of this thread, and many more to come. But the exposure is not only from people coming here and reading the thread. There are concerned members who are reaching out to others in various states.

A lizard under the tree might have been nice, and the IRCF could have shown that just as they care for the well being of critters, they care for the well being of people as well. This would certainly resound with those who like Michelle, send money to this organization.

They can still step up and do what they should. But as time goes by, the lack of a responsible response makes its own statement.

Ty valued those lizards he produced and then decided to keep at $5000. I believe Michelle is willing to accept $3,000. To me that seems a reasonable compromise.
 
Casey,

Don't tell us, show us.

Why not email Ty, and ask him to make reparations in a way that is satisfactory to Michelle? She had every right to make her requests. So far he has not approached her with a suggestion that is satisfactory to her, perhaps he should not try to be hurtful or demand that what is good for him should be acceptable to her.

If you believe he can put that hurtful behavior aside, and repair the rift and the damage, show us.
 
Mike (The M) said:
Nowhere have I blamed Michelle, or said Ty was a victim. I've stated MULTIPLE times that I agree Ty is wrong and handled this inappropriately, and sided with her that she is owed what she is entitled to.

My question was whether or not the charity was directly involved, and yes, it was already confirmed here and elsewhere to me that they had involvement.
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I really wasn't aiming that at you personally Mike, sorry for the confusion. I was answering the question about the raffle and then making some additional comments.
 
"There are over 17,000 views of this thread, and many more to come."

Never thought I'd use the word epic. I was kind of wondering you bieng a moderator if a second thread can be created using nothing but Michelles screenshots so anyone visiting can do so without sifting through 90% opinions to get the 10% of this thread that is actually relevant proof of wrongdoing and lock it so maybe his flock can see for themselves and have a chance at getting past people who are saying things that they'll likely never agree with anyways? I have a feeling these people are so convinced he couldn't have done anything wrong that they get sidetracked from the very first comment of criticism again thier dear leader.
 
Dro B said:
I was kind of wondering you bieng a moderator if a second thread can be created using nothing but Michelles screenshots so anyone visiting can do so without sifting through 90% opinions to get the 10% of this thread that is actually relevant proof of wrongdoing and lock it so maybe his flock can see for themselves
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Moderators have blue user names. Lucille doesn't happen to be one of them. The OP's attempt to create a public photo album that anyone could view, and link it to this thread, would probably have been the best alternative to your suggestion. There's no real point in having two BOI threads dedicated to one situation. Screenshots are kinda hard to miss, so if readers don't feel like sifting through the thread to find them, they must not care too much about actually knowing the details.
 
Casey Hulse said:
I am sure I am biased, although I understand the basics of this dispute, and I do not think that Ty has gotten (nor does he want) fair representation here on the BOI. He has chosen to let his lawyers handle this, but many of you seem like you are offended because he has not come to this forum to plead his case. "because his time is too valuable". but that does not make him a "bad guy"
There are a lot of very bad people in this industry, and in my opinion his actions in this instance do not warrant the "bad guy" label some of you want to attach to him.
Do I think he screwed up? yeah.
Do I think he should be admired? Hell yes.
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I was biased toward Ty too. I admire Ty and really like him but I'd never heard of the op. With the evidence presented here and Ty's own post it's just about as clear a case as it can be to me that Ty's in the wrong here though. I don't think Ty is a bad guy either. I do think his ego is keeping him from doing what any intelligent person can see he should do here. I don't know who you think is offended that Ty hasn't responded here more but I certainly am not as you suggest. I am glad to see that you are aware that he screwed up. How would you fix it if you were in his shoes?
 
Dro B said:
"There are over 17,000 views of this thread, and many more to come."

Never thought I'd use the word epic. I was kind of wondering you bieng a moderator if a second thread can be created using nothing but Michelles screenshots so anyone visiting can do so without sifting through 90% opinions to get the 10% of this thread that is actually relevant proof of wrongdoing and lock it so maybe his flock can see for themselves and have a chance at getting past people who are saying things that they'll likely never agree with anyways? I have a feeling these people are so convinced he couldn't have done anything wrong that they get sidetracked from the very first comment of criticism again thier dear leader.
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Dan is correct, I am not a moderator, just an ordinary member like you and proud to be one.
I think both objective proof and opinion are relevant in evaluating this thread. And editing a thread like that would have its own consequences, and I suspect that there would be just as much wrangling over decisions about what is 'relevant'.

Besides, it is to me a bit of an insult to 'his flock' to imply that they are not intelligent as the rest of us who must discern in this thread ourselves what we feel is relevant, without being told which posts are relevant by someone else.

Yes, it is an 'epic' thread, and I am sure there will be many more posts and possibly tens of thousands more views. That to me is certainly an incentive to create a satisfactory conclusion.
 
I know very little about Ty other than what I read on his FB from time to time. He is from South Korea, very wealthy, close family, apparently he retired from some successful business, and decided what he wanted to do with his free time is work with reptiles, many of which are locale specific iguanas that are considered vulnerable or threatened.
I do not know what type of culture his beliefs are based on, American or Korean? I do know that as an American it would be nessesary to fullfil his obligation to the OP to the letter, and err on the side making her happy. She really wanted one of his Tegu, not $3k, and when Ty could not provide the animal, he should have given her what she wanted instead. I do not know how this would be handled in a Korean culture, but as we have seen many many times just recently, some succesful people have a very hard time addmiting they were wrong, and/or appologized. Maybe it is pride that is keeping him from doing what we all see as being the right thing, I am not sure?
I think he has gotten bad advice from someone close to him. If I were to make a suggestion to him, I would say. "pay her the $3000, it is the right thing to do" otherwise you will have people like
King Joffrey trying to drag your name through the mud until he tires of it,
and trolls someone else
 
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