Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[Sugarhedgie]

I highlighted the statements that I find the most confusing in this issue. Ty states that he will send Michelle an albino tegu, "like the one on the photo". What photo? The photo provided in the raffle? If that is true, I thought the photo for the raffle was of the "blue" version, which Ty admitted that he did not produce, and was unable to procure from any other source. If Ty was sending her a "blue" albino, where did it magically come from? If Ty was actually sending her a "purple" version, doesn't that variety *look* differently than the "blue" version? So how would it be possible for Ty Parks to send Michelle an albino tegu that would look just like the photo if he admittedly could not get a "blue" and the "purple" does not look like the provided photo in the raffle?

Now, admittedly I know next to nothing about the albino lines of tegus, so perhaps it IS possible for a "purple" albino to look just like a "blue" albino, but I doubt any typical judge in a court room will be any more versed than I am on this subject. So please convince me about how I am wrong about how this looks to me, personally.

So, considering the above, how could Michelle NOT have been confused about Ty's statements? I sure as hell am....

"You will get a tegu just like the one in the raffle photo " was definately why I kept asking show me when they were produced. Show me a pic then he says Purple is an albino

Even twords the end of our fb private messages he was still saying like the one in the photo

he couldn't get and didn't produce a t- albino and said no when I asked for a purple , so yes I wanted to know what I was getting.
A t- and a t+ definitely do look very different.

Because people don't want me to repost pics. If you go to the very 1st post (mine) there is a picture of the t- (the one that was in the raffle photo) and a t+

 

[Robert Walker]

After all, Robert is calling for more perspectives.

I haven't called for any more perspectives? I am however, not shying away from "different" ones should they be presented by either side.

I think the OP deserves what she is owed but getting what she is owed could very well end up costing way more than the initial investment or even the prize itself.

Yep, this unfortunately is the cost of seeking "justice" sometimes.

Even if everything goes against Ty and he flat out loses, that is only half the battle. It isn't like a Tegu or $3,000 is going to arrive the next day, next month or possibly ever for that matter. It only means that Ty has lost on paper. Enforcing that loss is a different story, one that may never come to fruition. Unfortunately easier traditional ideas of wage garnishments, property liens, etc. probably have zero bearing on Ty as a self-employed person who may(?) not need to sell his property for a long time, if ever.

A court victory is a boost to the "I'm right, see a court even said so", but it isn't any guarantee of getting anything else in your hands. Doesn't make it right, doesn't mean I'm suggesting she doesn't go through with it (despite what some have falsely suggested), it's just a potential reality.

Years ago I was involved with some heavy duty court cases, on an international level. My partners and I were seeking justice and we were clearly in the "right". Fairly early on, after enough games, loopholes, lawyer shenanigans I decided to cut my losses and return back to the states. Being with my family and moving forward with life was more important than being right. One of my partners however, would not let it go. It had become "personal" to him, a crusade of sorts. He unfortunately could not see the mathematical reality that he didn't have the financial resources to combat our much wealthier opponent. He remained international to fight it longer, even years. He lost all of his savings, his wife divorced him, etc. and to this day he clings to the hope of returning to fight again. It has consumed him.

I realize this is small claims court, not some multi-million dollar case, but the concepts are the same. Ty appears to have dug in his heels. Even if Michelle wins, who is to say that Ty doesn't come back, outside of rinky dinky small claims court and drag her through the mud of real court for his perceived losses? Both seem super stubborn, a perfect recipe for seeing you all back here on page 300 of the BOI four years from now. Right now Michelle is in control of taking the fight to Ty. She gets to decide to go through with it while Ty is at her mercy. The flip-side is, if Ty comes after her and she wants to be done with things, that option may no longer exist as she is now at his mercy.

One of the sides is unfortunately going to run out of resources (endurance, care, $) before the other.

 

[Lucille]

One of the sides is unfortunately going to run out of resources (endurance, care, $) before the other.

That is true of many differences between people. But that is the value of the BOI, there have been many cases of financial inequality, where clearly the person of lesser means ends up victorious.

 

[juliasara]

I think filing a complaint with the BBB is a good idea. I got scammed for a car part, filed complaints with paypal and the cc company, paypal denied the claim because of a mistake they made and the cc company told me it was too late to file. The BBB was able to get the seller to respond and return my $600. It only takea a few minutes, it might help or maybe it won't, you'll only lose a few min if it doesn't.

Michelle,
Have you filed BBB complaints against Ty and the IRCF? Maybe more eyes and a wider perspective might help, just like Robert suggested. I'm going to spend my day finding more eyes, pm me when you get a chance.

 

[Lucille]

Yep, this unfortunately is the cost of seeking "justice" sometimes.

Is that where you are coming from? It is pretty unusual for a moderator here to persist in telling a member that they might lose. The whole point of the BOI and why it was created, is to allow people to talk about their transaction problems, regardless of how much is in their purse or pocket.

Is Ty threatening Fauna?

 

[WebSlave]

Is Ty threatening Fauna?

For the record, no he is not. I have not received any communication from Ty Parks or anyone associated with him in any way.

 

[Robert Walker]

Is that where you are coming from? It is pretty unusual for a moderator here to persist in telling a member that they might lose. The whole point of the BOI and why it was created, is to allow people to talk about their transaction problems, regardless of how much is in their purse or pocket.

Is Ty threatening Fauna?

1. No moderator has told Michelle that she might lose.
A member of Fauna has shared his opinion, one of which he is entitled to share like anyone else, even it has only been to share observations and life lessons learned.

2. Who here disagrees with why the BOI was created? Not me. Everyone should feel free to talk about all their transactional successes or shortcomings. I've said nothing to the contrary.

3. I speak for myself. Do you suddenly think so low of me now, that I would bend to any pretend threat from Ty? Additionally, I'm not Fauna. Your Fauna insinuation is flat faced absurd and frankly idiotic. I find it insulting and I'm sure Rich's opinion wouldn't be much different.

Is this about the time the attempts to character assinate start? (See, I put a question mark on the end, that way I can make a statement but hide behind a pretend question instead)

 

[AppEcto]

I think Michelle was saying
"no blues = $3000 cash" you did not produce blues, you owe me $3000" ...I feel that Michelle was determined to get that $3000.

It has already been shown more than once that Michelle attempted to accept a "purple" as an alternative, but Ty refused (despite his contradictory statements after the fact). I've posted screenshots where she asks for a "purple" tegu instead of the albino blue pictured in the auction and he refuses. At that point, she says he owes her $3,000...because he said he would give the winner $3,000 if he didn't produce any.

 

[Fangthane]

I have not received any communication from Ty Parks or anyone associated with him in any way.

I'm guessing you mean any further communication. Maybe they're content to wait for the threats they issued, outlined in post #418, to have their desired effect. I'm sure you're right on the verge of folding under the pressure. One of the threats having come from his personal email address, there's no real reason to believe that he - or someone officially acting on his behalf - wasn't the author.

Let it not be forgotten that Ty Park apparently felt so confident with the righteousness of his chosen course of action, that he felt the need to try to have all of the OP's posts completely removed from the BOI, via threat of lawsuit against the site. Makes total sense, right? Considering the thread I'd previous linked to, where someone was quite clearly making entirely unsubstantiated, potentially damaging statements about him, Ty's interest in silencing this particular discussion - while having no real interest in seeing the other one removed - seems extremely interesting.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

For the record, no he is not. I have not received any communication from Ty Parks or anyone associated with him in any way.

Didn't his "lawyer" that someone found out was really ty ( same ip
Adress) message fauna and asked fauna to remove this thread ??

I thought that was mentioned a while back

 

[Sugarhedgie]

I'm guessing you mean any further communication. Maybe they're content to wait for the threats they issued, outlined in post #418, to have their desired effect. I'm sure you're right on the verge of folding under the pressure. One of the threats having come from his personal email address, there's no real reason to believe that he - or someone officially acting on his behalf - wasn't the author.

Let it not be forgotten that Ty Park apparently felt so confident with the righteousness of his chosen course of action, that he felt the need to try to have all of the OP's posts completely removed from the BOI, via threat of lawsuit against the site. Makes total sense, right? Considering the thread I'd previous linked to, where someone was quite clearly making entirely unsubstantiated, potentially damaging statements about him, Ty's interest in silencing this particular discussion - while having no real interest in seeing the other one removed - seems extremely interesting.

Yes that was the post that I was remembering. Thank you for linking it

 

[WebSlave]

I'm guessing you mean any further communication. Maybe they're content to wait for the threats they issued, outlined in post #418, to have their desired effect. I'm sure you're right on the verge of folding under the pressure. One of the threats having come from his personal email address, there's no real reason to believe that he - or someone officially acting on his behalf - wasn't the author.

Let it not be forgotten that Ty Park apparently felt so confident with the righteousness of his chosen course of action, that he felt the need to try to have all of the OP's posts completely removed from the BOI, via threat of lawsuit against the site. Makes total sense, right? Considering the thread I'd previous linked to, where someone was quite clearly making entirely unsubstantiated, potentially damaging statements about him, Ty's interest in silencing this particular discussion - while having no real interest in seeing the other one removed - seems extremely interesting.

Sorry, but yes, you are correct. I forgot completely about that earlier message. Honestly, I get so many threatened lawsuits that I don't even pay attention to them any longer and obviously don't dwell on them. Sorry about my unintentional inaccuracy.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I got a hernia laughing at Ty's post. Can I sue him for that? I know...take it to the discussion forum. I'm out!

 

[Casey Hulse]

I have been going over the initial posts between Ty and Michelle that start on 7/31, then on 8/16 the messages start again. On 8/16, there apeared to be a good relationship between Ty and Michelle, but it all escalated very quickly, at 5:29 Michelle

8/16, 5:39pm

Michelle Cutler
you already said you did not produce any and that you only produced purples....... so how would i know now you aren't just going to get one from the other breeder??? and pass it off as one of yours? you said the other breeders are the same quality as yours would have been. so why would you have said you didn't produce any. then say you were going to get one for me from another breeder. instead of just telling the truth and honoring your promise. this is shady and if i had known this was going to be shady and scammy i prob wouldn't have bought tix for the albino/blue











I will assume Michelle was confused, and really just wanted clarification, and not acting naive, but she really jumped the gun, and should have known that this message was going to have a very negative effect on their relationship.

8/16, 6:38pm

Ty Park
Again u are getting nothing from me going forward except one baby albino tegu that will grow up to look like the on in the raffle photo. This is my last communication. If u want the tegu, send me the shipping info if not, I'll run another give away for charity. U are a thankless person. I gain nothing from this and donating two albino for a good cause










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8/16, 6:43pm

Michelle Cutler
all I'm asking is for you to show me the post on your wall with the baby albino blues that you hatched. i haven't seen any pics the raffle was for an albino/blue tegu (not just an albino and albino blue) and if you didn't produce any you would pay the winners 3,000 out of your own pocket . it did concern me when you said at 4pm that you didn't produce any only the purples, and said you would go somewhere and get one for me from another breeder this weekend. but then you said you did produce some. why cant you tag me on the post where/when they hatched? i just want tp see a pic of what i won










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8/16, 6:46pm

Michelle Cutler
i asked for the breeders name that you said you were getting them from because i like to know where my animals come from ....... i am not thankless, you are being very evasive. i won what was in the raffle description. thats an albino blue ego or 3,000 is what it said.










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8/16, 6:46pm

Ty Park
U have till midnight Sunday to send me ur address for shipping. If not I'll run a charity auction for this baby albino tegu and you can sue me in court.










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I would say Ty had no business giving this ultimatum, the tegu belonged to Michelle. ( We can not assume we know how Ty felt about being called dishonest etc...I know I would have been very offended if I was Ty)
AS I have stated before, I wish Michelle had provided her shipping info. and we would not be here.
No matter what the courts decide, I would like to see Ty "step up" and make this right. It is what a man with integrity would do.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1968730&postcount=12

Here is the whole conversation.
Definately wasn't naive or jumped the gun

I have been going over the initial posts between Ty and Michelle that start on 7/31, then on 8/16 the messages start again. On 8/16, there apeared to be a good relationship between Ty and Michelle, but it all escalated very quickly, at 5:29 Michelle

I will assume Michelle was confused, and really just wanted clarification, and not acting naive, but she really jumped the gun, and should have known that this message was going to have a very negative effect on their relationship.

I would say Ty had no business giving this ultimatum, the tegu belonged to Michelle. ( We can not assume we know how Ty felt about being called dishonest etc...I know I would have been very offended if I was Ty)
AS I have stated before, I wish Michelle had provided her shipping info. and we would not be here.
No matter what the courts decide, I would like to see Ty "step up" and make this right. It is what a man with integrity would do.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

The winner of the auction for the tegu in question was announced on oct 14th

I have been going over the initial posts between Ty and Michelle that start on 7/31, then on 8/16 the messages start again. On 8/16, there apeared to be a good relationship between Ty and Michelle, but it all escalated very quickly, at 5:29 Michelle

I will assume Michelle was confused, and really just wanted clarification, and not acting naive, but she really jumped the gun, and should have known that this message was going to have a very negative effect on their relationship.

I would say Ty had no business giving this ultimatum, the tegu belonged to Michelle. ( We can not assume we know how Ty felt about being called dishonest etc...I know I would have been very offended if I was Ty)
AS I have stated before, I wish Michelle had provided her shipping info. and we would not be here.
No matter what the courts decide, I would like to see Ty "step up" and make this right. It is what a man with integrity would do.

 

[Im-tbone]

92 pages to resolve something that was crystal clear. I read them all, and I would never buy anything from the defendant. Beyond him not honoring his own agreement, his defense here is laughable. He may indeed be a person of character to many other people but he really made himself look suspicious on this debacle.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Ty sold a t+ today and is gong to be auctioning off another T+ albino.

He had told the courts that he already auctioned off mine and had no others available (Looks like that was a lie too)
(I knew he had 6 holdbacks)

I'm efforts to try and resolve our issue the dept of agriculture consumer services and the Fl seniors against crime are involved so far.

I Will update

 

[juliasara]

Does he say anywhere that he produced those?

 

[Sugarhedgie]

Does he say anywhere that he produced those?

In our go messages he had stated over and over that he didn't produce the t- but that he has only produced the t+ Ones like in the pics I just posted.

He also said that on his fb posts and in post #77
He only produced the t+ this year and backnin July and sept he posted on his fb abfew different litters of many t+ albinos he produced