Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[Fangthane]

It is so amusing to me to know that there was a resolution in court. Michelle, as I have searched, has not admitted what that resolution was.

What resolution would that be? Based on the photographic evidence she's provided, she requested that the case be dismissed without prejudice, so she'd be free to pursue other legal avenues. What is it that you think she's hiding from us? I suspect you're basing your thoughts on the small snippets that Ty chose to show. Sadly, they're not nearly representative of the whole story of the court case.

Then, she mentions that she will be going down to Florida to continue court hopefully with Discovery, which I assume to be the Discovery channel. A little fishy to me...

Oy vey!

Discovery, in the law of the United States and other countries, is a pre-trial procedure in a lawsuit in which each party, through the law of civil procedure, can obtain evidence from the other party or parties by means of discovery devices such as a request for answers to interrogatories, request for production of ...

Yes, Ty's Terms and Conditions were specific, but honestly everyone, wouldn't you expect and hope for people in the reptile community to have some leniency and understanding?

Where was Ty's leniency and understanding? At any point in time, he could have simply answered a couple of simple questions and possibly straightened this whole thing out without it going public. This situation is where it is because his ego just didn't allow any room for some simple act-right to make an appearance. He could still easily end this at any moment by simply giving her what she's owed. He continually opts to make it needlessly difficult. One can't even really take your stance without having some inexplicable need to excuse Ty's behavior.

Guess I just hope for people to be admirable, but alas, I suppose not.

Maybe you could point out just what is admirable about anything Ty Park has done in this situation. The vast majority of those of us who've chosen to view this case on it's own merits can't seem to find anything very admirable about the decision to make someone seek legal action to force him to live up to his word. Again, you're clearly looking at this from the angle of needing to see him in the best possible light.

I think it should be known that after bringing Ty to court, and not getting what she wanted, Michelle then filed a lawsuit against a non-profit organization. What are you doing, Michelle? How is suing a beautiful organization that helps reptile conservation helping anyone but yourself?

I'm not sure it's gotten to the point where a lawsuit has officially been filed against the IRCF, but we're all well aware of the likelihood that that's where it's going. Unlike you, most of us have actually read this thread, so you're not making the grand revelations that you seem to believe. Legal action is never really an ideal situation, but it's a matter of causality. It very well may be that the IRCF is legally responsible for making sure that she gets her prize. Since Ty chose to play games and then simply leave her hanging with nothing to show, it's ultimately his fault that it may come to a charitable organization being sued.

Yet again, he could choose to step out of bubble long enough to listen to reason and simply make this whole thing go away by following through and living up to his word. Anyone who tries to make it seem any more complicated than that must be looking for ways to excuse him. He's had all the power, and you can see where that's led us to.

 

[dawson789]

The losses that I know will occur, especially with suing a non-profit organization. Or I pray will occur. And if she does win and take money away from conservation efforts, then it will be a huge mistake. Everything about her arguments has turned to "me, me, me." And while I understand her original argument, she took it way too far, and is being absolutely ridiculous. In my view, if she takes any money from an conservation organization, people should unite together and realize it has gone too far. Also, I for one, would never want to do business with someone who is capable of such a thing. But, I am not a major breeder out there, and of course, people are going to lash out because of what I say. Honestly, I don't care. My main concern in my life is about conservation, and when you have such a selfish drive to go and sue one...well, you're definitely not on my side of the team, then.

 

[dawson789]

I do understand what everyone was saying. I absolutely recognize that Ty chose specific words for his terms and conditions of the auction - I do not deny that, at all. But, mistakes happen. And any Tegu, especially a nice morph, for $400 is a great deal. Also, just by looking at the very beginning photos of Michelle and Ty's conversations via Facebook Messenger, as much BS as was going on, he did in the end just ask for her address to send her a Tegu. The thing that strikes me most is that she refused to give it...which makes me think that once she realized he had fudged up his words, she grasped on and went with it in order to screw him. I find it very interesting that people on this thread just lash out and get hostile the second you don't agree with the majority...pack mentality, I suppose. And no, I am not a ridiculous Ty follower. I saw a video of his facility once in a Youtube video, and have not heard of his reputation. I have not done any business dealings with him, so I am not what you would call a "cult-follower" of his. I am going on a gut feeling, and what I have read of what Michelle has posted.

 

[Cletus Marley]

The losses that I know will occur, especially with suing a non-profit organization. Or I pray will occur. And if she does win and take money away from conservation efforts, then it will be a huge mistake. Everything about her arguments has turned to "me, me, me." And while I understand her original argument, she took it way too far, and is being absolutely ridiculous. In my view, if she takes any money from an conservation organization, people should unite together and realize it has gone too far. Also, I for one, would never want to do business with someone who is capable of such a thing. But, I am not a major breeder out there, and of course, people are going to lash out because of what I say. Honestly, I don't care. My main concern in my life is about conservation, and when you have such a selfish drive to go and sue one...well, you're definitely not on my side of the team, then.

Nobody is lashing out. They are just calling you out because what you said makes no sense and is just plain wrong. Nobody has called you deranged and dangerous like they did the OP over on FB. Nobody here has expressed the need to take up arms to and use their god given right to defend themself like Ty's people over on FB. Nobody is going to ban you because of what you say here no matter how ignorant (your words not mine).

 

[dawson789]

I must agree with what you have just said. (Cletus Marley)

I do apologize with my inability to post correctly and my making a mistake of thinking I read everything (I would have never posted if I didn't think I had read everything). I do not apologize for where I stand on it. There seems to be a certain selfish drive here by Michelle, hence why I felt my opinion (again, only my opinion, I do not wish to start an uprising against her) should be posted and read.

 

[Fangthane]

In my view, if she takes any money from an conservation organization, people should unite together and realize it has gone too far. Also, I for one, would never want to do business with someone who is capable of such a thing.

But you have no problem supporting someone who'd refuse to follow through on his word and provide the OP's prize - thus necessitating the legal action? You have no problem with someone who did a friend like this in a business deal?:

Last year 2015, I purchased 2.3 Ctenosaura bakeri from Ty, he guaranteed me 2 males & 3 females, in addition I had to pay a premium price for the females, $200 more ea. 9 months went by, low and behold 5 MALES, all turning a pretty blue, and all have hemipenes.

I called Ty, he said I used my best guess, I told him I didn't pay him $200 more ea. for 3 females, for him to guess. Here I am months later, with nothing done.

That's the reason my friendship with Ty, is no longer, and will NEVER be again.

That's what he'll do if anything goes wrong.

Charged a friend premium prices for females that he never supplied, and never made good on fixing the issue. Nice. And you want to try to paint the OP as greedy!? I think your stance here tells us all we need to know about how important business ethics really are to you. Right and wrong only truly matter when they don't interfere with your narrow world view, eh?

 

[dawson789]

Fangthane - You are quite rude and haughty.

My posts here are to talk about this specific situation on this specific thread. I did not post on that other thread, and do not take it into consideration, honestly.

I am in support of the non-profit conservation organization above all. Hence why I do not support Michelle in any way, shape, or form.

Clearly, everyone in this time period has an issue with people who have differing opinions. "Submit to what we believe or burn at the stake" is the vibe I am getting.

Due to this, I see no reason to continue stating anything on here. I apologized for my mistakes, explained my opinion and why I had it, and there is no more to add. All that will be posted now is a bunch of people quoting things, and my mind is already made. I do not agree with the majority of people on this thread, and I have no problem with stating that. I suppose I will just have to focus on positive threads, because threads with a huge divide is just no use in getting involved with. What a shame, I used to enjoy a good debate.

 

[Cletus Marley]

I must agree with what you have just said. (Cletus Marley)

I do apologize with my inability to post correctly and my making a mistake of thinking I read everything (I would have never posted if I didn't think I had read everything). I do not apologize for where I stand on it. There seems to be a certain selfish drive here by Michelle, hence why I felt my opinion (again, only my opinion, I do not wish to start an uprising against her) should be posted and read.

I've been critical of that drive as this thread has progressed and have been somewhat vocal about it in my limited number of posts. Once I saw how he and his cronies were ragging on her on FB that all changed. Yes he did ask for her address and all she did was ask what he was sending and then he got mad and decided she was greedy and decided he wasn't sending anything or honoring any part of the deal. He drew first blood here. Had his ego not gotten in the way this would have been over a long time ago. He could have ended this at any time by simply honoring his end of the deal. That's all it would take. It's crazy to me that so many people don't see it like that. They are sitting over there blowing smoke up his ass talking about how crazy she is and he appears to be loving it. Someone needs to speak up and ask the simple question "Why don't you just give her what you promised you would"?
It's because he would be ban them from his group if they dared to cross him.

 

[filenamex5100]

Amber....dont leave yet!! I havnt gotten a chance to tell you that you have just proven to be yet another person i would never deal with!!

 

[dawson789]

You do have a very good point. There are multiple times where Ty has banned someone, and she has shown proof of that. I definitely can agree with that. What made up my mind was that she is going after the non-profit organization. I know that I keep reiterating this, but it is extremely important and influential in my decision. No matter what went down between Michelle and Ty, and unless you were either her or Ty, you can't truly know what went down. Things that were posted could be limited, one-sided information. We just can't know 100% for sure. I do understand exactly what people are saying about Ty, and totally get it. My reasoning for not agreeing is because even though they had a fallout, the non-profit organization should not get the brunt of it. For example, I could not, with a good conscience, sue a non-profit child cancer research organization just because my child's oncologist and I got into a dispute. It's just not fair. I do understand that BOTH sides could have stepped up and dealt with it a different way, but it just didn't happen. Again, I am not a Ty "follower", but I do not agree with the way Michelle is going to deal with it now - by going against an innocent bystander (non-profit organization).

 

[dawson789]

Amber....dont leave yet!! I havnt gotten a chance to tell you that you have just proven to be yet another person i would never deal with!!

I find this very interesting considering you are basing this only due to my opinion on this one issue. Again, "submit to my opinion or burn at the stake."

It is so disheartening that the reptile community has come to this.

 

[dawson789]

Amber....dont leave yet!! I havnt gotten a chance to tell you that you have just proven to be yet another person i would never deal with!!

Also, it is very interesting the way you replied with this. You have a view that stating "I will not do business with you" is an earth-shattering insult, when it really isn't. There are many people out there that I have done business with, and because of this reply, I must agree with what you have also said. I really enjoy camaraderie, but I must say that I would not want to do business with anyone with an attitude such as yours. But, I am always open to mending things if you find you would like to have a conversation.

Therefore, I just wanted to add this reply to say that I will not be responding to anything more from you, because there is just no added benefit from anyone by doing that. You may seethe all you want behind the screen of your computer, and relish in the fact that you think you have "won" some type of insult contest on a forum. I am here to talk about the thread and issue, not to compare penis sizes in a grand pissing contest.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

I have stated several times on the thread that because raffles in my state arenot legal the clerk told me he would only be able to award me the $400 I spent on the tickets and the 100 filing fees. That suggested that I contact Fl attprneys and explore their laws and possibly persue it there. He gave me time to do that , I did and found a lawyer. And I ASKED THATBTHE COURT DISMISS IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE.


Judge Judy did contact me!! I never said it was because it "was unique" though when I spoke to them after I got the letter they did want us to go. Ty refused
On Ty's page on the Oct post he said I seaked out them which is untrue.

I did say I would go to Fl we would ask for discovery as in asking ty and the itch for documents. So your assumption of me wanting the "discovery channel" is THE WRONG ASSUMPTIOM THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULDNT ASSUME THINGS!!

here on fauna I did post the letter to and from the ircf and recently did say that
They have been sent a demand letter. As of right now there is no lawsuit against the ircf just a demand letter.
The ircf was fully aware and involved in this raffle. Payments were sent to them directly, the ircf pulled the winning tickets and because they are then in profit they need to comply with Fl laws 849.0935
They are just as if not more responsible.

I entered a raffle to win an albino tegu or 3000 if ty didn't produce one
To be delivered in July.

He didn't even ask me of I would mind if he got any- from somewhere else. He told me. All I did because I was being flexible was asked who it would be from and a pic. He refused to give me that important info. You may not care about where your animals come from but I do.
Ty has never had a raffle for anything other than his animals. He was fortunate to have only produced only the t+ more expenxivw ones that come from then same parents that the t- would have AND the raffle post march 10 said it was for and albino blue. With no specifications blue or purple and him stating multiple times purple is albino tegu , that was one of the prizes offered .
1. For people to say I should have just taken it and sold it is absurd. I don't flip animals
2 the raffle was not for a tegu from an undisclosed Breeder friend if he had provided me with the name and a pic I would have considered it. But he couldn't even get them from the friend so that makes your argument a moot one!!

Have you even read his only comment here # 77
He said that when he decided to send me a t+ like the others got he did NOT COMUNICATE THAT WITH ME BECuae he was red to see what type of a person I was and said I was greedy to the end.
Is that an aptopriate thing. IF and I enfasize IF he had intentions to ever even send me a t+ a notmal and ethical person would have said I could t get any t- from my friend so I've decided to ship you one of the t+ that I produce. I would have given him my shipping info and a day to ship and we wouldn't be here today.

Please don't come on here saying things that are but true and misleadin people to try and sugar coat what you did!!I have been honest with what I have said. And have proof to back it.


I've also recently found out fb has rules about doing fb online raffles
And people doing business on their personal page.

It is so amusing to me to know that there was a resolution in court. Michelle, as I have searched, has not admitted what that resolution was. Why? I have come to the conclusion that she is reveling in the attention. First, she states "Judge Judy" sent her a letter because the court case was so unique (I am not quoting to be rude, just using proper marks to indicate that it is a TV show). Then, she mentions that she will be going down to Florida to continue court hopefully with Discovery, which I assume to be the Discovery channel. A little fishy to me... Now, as most people may be unaware, she is trying to get legal action against a non-profit organization. I won't let out complete details, because I think it is her responsibility to come forth with these details. Michelle, it seems to me that you are not being honest about some things on this forum. If you are going to go public and continue this thread to such a exorbitant level, I believe you should inform everyone of your intentions. Yes, Ty's Terms and Conditions were specific, but honestly everyone, wouldn't you expect and hope for people in the reptile community to have some leniency and understanding? I know that if I was in that position, I would be pretty lenient (any type of albino Tegu for $400 is miraculous, and if genetics meant a lot to you, you could turn around and put it on the market in order to get the money to buy the Tegu with the genes that you prefer). I know that the suggestion I just made was a bit over the top, but I am an extremely understanding person, so that would have been an option for me. Guess I just hope for people to be admirable, but alas, I suppose not. I think it should be known that after bringing Ty to court, and not getting what she wanted, Michelle then filed a lawsuit against a non-profit organization. What are you doing, Michelle? How is suing a beautiful organization that helps reptile conservation helping anyone but yourself? And honestly, how could you? It is beyond selfish. Well, anyway, hope to see her admit to what is going on. If not, now you all know, if you saw the notification for my post.

-dawson789

 

[dawson789]

Michelle,

I do appreciate your reply. Unfortunately, I was with you up until started to form your decision on going against a non-profit conservation organization. I am glad that you were awarded the $400 and $100 filing fee back - that was definitely, righteously deserved. However, because I know you are very possibly attacking a very important conservation effort, after you have gotten back the money that you deserved, you lost me. And, you also made me rethink everything that I had read in this thread. Your intent seems malicious now, therefore I do not agree with what you are doing. You are biting off more than you can chew, and you are messing with a very beautiful organization to get more money.

There's not more I can add, but I am happy that I am able to have a reply from you to be able to converse and let you know where I stand and why. Hopefully, maybe, it will change your perspective.

-Amber

 

[dawson789]

My mistake. I hope, Michelle, that you get those fees back. But, only the fees that you deserve. ($500). Don't go chasing after more.

 

[filenamex5100]

amber...when you come in here trying to undermine dozens of pages before you that show clear cut evidence....you are going to get kickback. its obviously only my opinion...just as you have yours.

explain why michelle should accept some other prize and ty should be allowed to bend his own rules! michelle paid as agreed for a chance to win a specific outcome. explain to us why you think that shouldn't be honored. (this thought process of yours is why I wouldnt do business with you. I'm glad you don't care. saves us both the time and headache).

as for the non profit...if michelle chooses to sue them, I think that's a great move. just because a non profit exist does not excuse them from following the rules/laws.

 

[WebSlave]

My mistake. I hope, Michelle, that you get those fees back. But, only the fees that you deserve. ($500). Don't go chasing after more.

So, if I am reading you correctly, you believe that just because a NON-PROFIT runs a raffle, someone can WIN that raffle, and the actual winning prize being just getting your money back is perfectly OK with you?

Gee, sounds like a LOT of fun to me.

How many people would engage in such a raffle? Would you?

 

[filenamex5100]

ive got an idea amber.....maybe since conservation is so important to you, you can pay michelle the $3000 that she won!!!
that would save everyone the headache and you can be the hero!! I bet Ty would really move you up the friends list and the ircf would greatly appreciate your efforts.

let me ask you.... if you bought a lottery ticket and won $50,000 but the lottery commission said the ticket was void because of the store you bought it at.....would you settle for $1 back or would you sue the state for the prize winning that is clearly written on the ticket?? now keep in mind that the state (texas for example) donates a lot of lottery purchase price earnings to schools, hospitals, veterans, etc etc. same principles!

 

[Sugarhedgie]

My mistake. I hope, Michelle, that you get those fees back. But, only the fees that you deserve. ($500). Don't go chasing after more.

I don't think anyone that paid $100 or more for tickets wanted to win an albino tegu or 3,000 then win and be ok because you decides to do a bait and switch would be ok with just winning their raffle ticket cost back. That was not what the raffle was for.
The demand letter is for my prize I won. the t+ tegu or the value. I have always wanted the tegu. The demand letter sent to the ircf well John bins could reach out to ty and tell him that he should send me the t+ he still has them (so that wouldn't be taking anything from the ircf. Also Ty's groupies did another donation page for the ircf to show to support and raised over 3 grand. If they used that then that wouldn't be taking from the ircf either.

So we will have to agree to disagree that you think I should have accepted an undesclosed breeders animal or just be ok with the 500

I am not "chasing anything that I didn't win or deserve.

The ircf made over 14,000
They are required to make sure I get my prize

 

[Fangthane]

Fangthane - You are quite rude and haughty.

Possibly. But I also have the distinction of being well informed, since I actually bothered to read this thread. Don't pretend you didn't come out swinging, somehow managing to convince yourself that you were revealing hidden facts and scoring some points. Although your attacks were hilariously limp-wristed and ineffectual, that doesn't change the intent.

My posts here are to talk about this specific situation on this specific thread. I did not post on that other thread, and do not take it into consideration, honestly.

What "other" thread? The post I'd quoted - where Ty Park ripped off a friend - was from this thread. For someone who claims to have read it, you sure did manage to miss a lot.

Clearly, everyone in this time period has an issue with people who have differing opinions. "Submit to what we believe or burn at the stake" is the vibe I am getting.

'Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!' - the battle cry of those whose own posts make them look utterly foolish.

My issue is with simple ignorance, which you've masterfully displayed. Nuanced posts that happen to differ in opinion are generally received pretty well. Emotional knee-jerk reactions from those who've clearly made up their minds based simply on whose name happens to be in the title line...not so much.

All that will be posted now is a bunch of people quoting things, and my mind is already made.

That mindset is precisely why you're not worthy of being taken seriously. If someone's not open to changing their minds based on new evidence, they're a total waste of time.

I suppose I will just have to focus on positive threads, because threads with a huge divide is just no use in getting involved with. What a shame, I used to enjoy a good debate.