Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[Sugarhedgie]

I give the OP credit for standing up to Ty. After reading and taking everything in and even reading what he's been posting on social media, it's truly obvious that he's in the wrong. He got greedy and now people are seeing his true colors.

Thank you for standing up to him OP. I realize it's not the easiest thing to do considering he has thousands of "fans" we need more people like you to speak up against people like him.

I created this account just to post this. I felt I had to say something to you, OP. Good job.

THANK YOU.

What he posts on his fb is not accurate and/or missing facts and when anyone calls him out he deletes and blocks them. But you can do that in fb , you can't here

his one comment on here is #77

 

[MesoCorney]

I have watched this thread from the beginning and thought I would interject a different point of view. I can understand the want for a flawless transaction for a business transaction but this was not a business transaction, this was a charity raffle for a good cause and I think there deserved to be more understanding than was given. I personally would never buy a charity raffle ticket because I expected to get a certain prize but because I want to support the cause. Even if I did win I would absolutely be understanding if some issue occurred with the prize I supposedly won, especially if the new prize I was offered was worth well more than what I paid for the ticket.

Now from Ty's point of view, not that I have met him, I can definitely see how he was upset by the apparent lack of appreciation when he attempted to do something for the community. You donate several fairly expensive animals to benefit a charity out of the good of your heart. Then once your breeding plans don't work out you have to put together another solution by finding someone else to supply the animals. At this point I do think Ty should have done a better job of protecting himself in case a situation like this occurred, but I think he got caught up in the charity goodness. One of the three people is upset they are not getting exactly what they feel they deserve even though they paid much less than the animal is worth for a ticket. I would be more than annoyed at this point and would certainly be questioning the character of the person. After that you tell the person you will send them an animal, knowing that you are sending an animal worth even more, and again the person unfriendly refuses. To be honest I don't think I would want my animals in this person's home as we. I think Ty did fire off some cheap shots after this, which was not the best move. I think after the court case is settled the thing that is really going to suffer the most from this is the charity that this was all supposed to help in the first place, unfortunately.

 

[DavidBeard]

Goodness of his heart? LOL.....I've got one thing to say: tax write-off.

After that you tell the person you will send them an animal, knowing that you are sending an animal worth even more, and again the person unfriendly refuses.

You've missed some major plot points in this thread......Michelle never refused anything, Ty refused to tell her what he was sending her as some kind of obtuse "test" he deemed necessary after he failed to meet his end of the raffle.

Basically you're saying its ok to run an illegal raffle & not deliver on your terms.....because of "good intentions"? Wow....

 

[caffeinecynic]

I have watched this thread from the beginning and thought I would interject a different point of view. I can understand the want for a flawless transaction for a business transaction but this was not a business transaction, this was a charity raffle for a good cause and I think there deserved to be more understanding than was given. I personally would never buy a charity raffle ticket because I expected to get a certain prize but because I want to support the cause. Even if I did win I would absolutely be understanding if some issue occurred with the prize I supposedly won, especially if the new prize I was offered was worth well more than what I paid for the ticket.

Now from Ty's point of view, not that I have met him, I can definitely see how he was upset by the apparent lack of appreciation when he attempted to do something for the community. You donate several fairly expensive animals to benefit a charity out of the good of your heart. Then once your breeding plans don't work out you have to put together another solution by finding someone else to supply the animals. At this point I do think Ty should have done a better job of protecting himself in case a situation like this occurred, but I think he got caught up in the charity goodness. One of the three people is upset they are not getting exactly what they feel they deserve even though they paid much less than the animal is worth for a ticket. I would be more than annoyed at this point and would certainly be questioning the character of the person. After that you tell the person you will send them an animal, knowing that you are sending an animal worth even more, and again the person unfriendly refuses. To be honest I don't think I would want my animals in this person's home as we. I think Ty did fire off some cheap shots after this, which was not the best move. I think after the court case is settled the thing that is really going to suffer the most from this is the charity that this was all supposed to help in the first place, unfortunately.

Just commenting with this:

If I was entering a charity raffle, it would absolutely be a combination of wanting to support the cause and wanting a chance, however slim, at winning the animal.

If all I wanted to do was support the cause, I'm sure that they have a donate button on their FB or website.

The whole point of the charity raffle is for the animal itself and yes, knowing what you're receiving does matter. Bait and switch is a thing.

 

[Lucille]

I think after the court case is settled the thing that is really going to suffer the most from this is the charity that this was all supposed to help in the first place, unfortunately.

You mean the IRCF? Yes, in my opinion (predicted much earlier in this thread) Ty can throw them under the bus by saying (despite all the talk/pleadings of running the raffle) that he was merely a supplier and thus they should bear the legal responsibility of awarding the advertised prizes to winners.

Of course, they can always sue him.

 

[MesoCorney]

Goodness of his heart? LOL.....I've got one thing to say: tax write-off.



You've missed some major plot points in this thread......Michelle never refused anything, Ty refused to tell her what he was sending her as some kind of obtuse "test" he deemed necessary after he failed to meet his end of the raffle.

Basically you're saying its ok to run an illegal raffle & not deliver on your terms.....because of "good intentions"? Wow....

With that qoute I was referring to how he said he would find the same animal from a different breeder and the op demanded a Ty Park animal. I am saying that this situation should afford more patience and understanding because of good intentions, please do not put words in my mouth.

 

[MesoCorney]

Just commenting with this:

If I was entering a charity raffle, it would absolutely be a combination of wanting to support the cause and wanting a chance, however slim, at winning the animal.

If all I wanted to do was support the cause, I'm sure that they have a donate button on their FB or website.

The whole point of the charity raffle is for the animal itself and yes, knowing what you're receiving does matter. Bait and switch is a thing.

I guess we have different intentions when entering a raffle. To me I would enter a raffle because I appreciate the work that goes into putting it together to bring attention to the cause, any prize would be secondary. I do not believe the bait and switch was ever Ty's plan as the two other winners ended up with animals that worth more than was advertised.

You mean the IRCF? Yes, in my opinion (predicted much earlier in this thread) Ty can throw them under the bus by saying (despite all the talk/pleadings of running the raffle) that he was merely a supplier and thus they should bear the legal responsibility of awarding the advertised prizes to winners.

Of course, they can always sue him.

That could happen, sure, but I don't think it will. I was more thinking the chance of losing an important donor. Regardless of what his reputation is here, he still garnishes quite a bit of respect in the industry. Also the bad publicity the charity has received by being attached to this.

 

[MesoCorney]

With that qoute I was referring to how he said he would find the same animal from a different breeder and the op demanded a Ty Park animal. I am saying that this situation should afford more patience and understanding because of good intentions, please do not put words in my mouth.

Ugh it's early, sorry I somehow misread you're qoute of my statement. The rest of my statement stands. I think you are really over playing what has to gain from a tax write off from this.

 

[SnowflakeTyler]

Lol Ty might of done this out of "goodness of heart." But you'd be irrational if you think he didn't have anything to gain from this, aka tax right off or even money back into his pocket.

Ty screwed up and he was caught. Thank god it was by someone who would ultimately stand up to him.

Just because someone has been proactive and "trustworthy" in the past doesn't mean he hasn't ever done someone wrong.

I'm never doing business with him because of how he treated the OP and I'm sure my friends and family won't either. They've all seen this thread.

 

[MesoCorney]

Lol Ty might of done this out of "goodness of heart." But you'd be irrational if you think he didn't have anything to gain from this, aka tax right off or even money back into his pocket.

Ty screwed up and he was caught. Thank god it was by someone who would ultimately stand up to him.

Just because someone has been proactive and "trustworthy" in the past doesn't mean he hasn't ever done someone wrong.

I'm never doing business with him because of how he treated the OP and I'm sure my friends and family won't either. They've all seen this thread.

It is far from irrational to think he has little to gain from a tax write off from this. With the amount of business expenses it takes taking care of as many animals as Ty owns a few thousand dollars in write offs is small change. Even if you believe that this thread will effect the sales of these animals, which I don't think it will to a noticeable degree, he had no problem selling them when he donated them. I am fairly sure there is still a long waiting list for this type of animal. I do think he has made some mistakes, I just don't think this entire picture paints the op as infallible as many here seem to think.

 

[Casey Hulse]

I agree with you Anthony. I think once Michelle called Ty dishonest and shady she should have known their "relationship" was over.

 

[snakesareawesome]

I think it's one thing to never deal with X person again, but to rip them off and not even send what is owed is entirely another thing and based on that shady is probably a fitting term.

 

[ElliotNess]

I agree with you Anthony. I think once Michelle called Ty dishonest and shady she should have known their "relationship" was over.

So if I purchase something from you and before you ship it, I find out you are a POS, and make my feelings known, then you are entitled to back out of the deal. Sounds childish and pathetic to me..

 

[DavidBeard]

I think both Anthony and Ty have underestimated how much this will affect his business, otherwise he wouldn't be making Facebook posts about the topic, or receiving messages from people on FB about it......this thread has more views than any other in BOI history that I can recall, and is the number 2 thing that comes up when you Google Ty Park's name.

 

[ElliotNess]

It will be #1 soon enough especially as the court date approaches. Every time Ty Park is typed here, good old google adds Ty Park's names to their search engine and next thing you know Ty Park in the Fauna BOI thread tops the Ty Park search.

 

[Lucille]

.....this thread has more views than any other in BOI history that I can recall

Considering that this thread has not been up for years like some of the others, it really has a huge number of views and I agree with Timothy the views will increase quite a bit. But Ty himself has garnered all this negative publicity in my opinion, it would have been easy enough for him to simply give Michelle her prize.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13&daysprune=-1&order=desc&sort=views

 

[tegusaurus]

The complaint specifically notes he is "one of the largest suppliers" to the "Retail pet chain." Nothing in the complaint references acting as an agent, it all relies on the damage done to his business.

So, either he's an agent of a non-profit, or a business. Which is it?

This is puzzling to me. I have watched videos of Ty Park's farm, and I just don't see the breeding stock there that would put him in the category of "one of the largest supplies to the retail pet chain." So I looked into it.

The name "Lasco Inc" pops up when you search on the address of Ty Park's farm. 33900 Bermont Rd, Punta Gorda, FL

http://www.petsglobal.com/website/buyerhome_12766/Lasco_Inc..html

Note the "Business Type: Importer, Distributor/Wholesaler"

And there is this curious business description.
https://start.cortera.com/company/research/k9s4oyp9n/lasco-inc/

And then there is an online invoice showing 45 kgs of iguanas being shipped to Lasco Inc from Mexico.

https://panjiva.com/Lasco-Inc/31487853

Somehow that claims of Ty Park that he does all this only for his "love of the animals" doesn't ring true. Certainly a very odd perspective of a wholesaler of live reptiles to the pet trade. That love must be spread pretty thinly over the thousands of animals being imported through his hands and coldly sold to pet shop chain stores.

So why all the facebook love for just a flipper to the pet trade who has a sideline hobby of some other higher profile lizards? The hobby side obviously is being emphasized on his public pages and the wholesale side being downplayed to be hidden from view from his followers.

Obviously Ty Park is running a profit oriented business. How can there be any doubt?

And then we see Ty Park treating Michelle Cutler exactly as a cold blooded cut throat wholesaler of reptiles would, instead of someone who breeds and works with reptiles solely for the love of it.

 

[tegusaurus]

actually Mike, if you read the parts in post #1725, you can clearly see that he states twice that he conducted the raffle.
then at the bottom, refers to not producing albino blue tegus, which ties him to the initial raffle rules he state as produced by him or 3000$ !! the part that is not showing is him saying she refused to accept one that he would find elsewhere for her but she refused (insisted he respect his terms) he strategically mentions only parts of the communications in hopes of looking good, but forgets that all of the communications, in full are saved and will be presented.. his lies and twisted ways of expressing how he sees it, will fall apart..
but I agree, we should just leave the holes unspoken and let him hang himself in his lies. he's done good so far.

so I don't see how he can, in front of a judge, jump from one meaning to another

sorry the quote didn't add the pics of the transcript

Sorry if I missed something, but isn't the lawsuit being discussed FROM Ty Park AGAINST Michelle Cutler concerning defamation? Has a lawsuit actually been filed FROM Michelle Cutler AGAINST Ty Park concerning the breach of contract concerning the raffle?

 

[tegusaurus]

I agree with you Anthony. I think once Michelle called Ty dishonest and shady she should have known their "relationship" was over.

It doesn't matter what sort of relationship that Ty Park and Michelle Cutler had and has now ended. That doesn't mean that Ty Park can just walk away from his legal obligations towards Michelle Cutler. He is legally bound by Florida law to provide the prizes to all winners of the raffle that he held. His personal opinions about anyone or anything won't amount to a hill of beans in the courtroom. I think that when discovery is done and the facts come out about Ty Park's financial situation compared to Michelle Cutler, the judge will throw the book at him with punitive damages. Maybe even start the ball rolling for criminal charges as well.

As for Ty Park being considered as dishonest and shady, I think everything that has taken place since that statement was made shows pretty starkly just how accurate that opinion has proven to be. This could just be the tip of a very big iceberg that has gone undetected before now.

 

[DavidBeard]

This is puzzling to me. I have watched videos of Ty Park's farm, and I just don't see the breeding stock there that would put him in the category of "one of the largest supplies to the retail pet chain." So I looked into it.

The name "Lasco Inc" pops up when you search on the address of Ty Park's farm. 33900 Bermont Rd, Punta Gorda, FL

http://www.petsglobal.com/website/buyerhome_12766/Lasco_Inc..html

Note the "Business Type: Importer, Distributor/Wholesaler"

And there is this curious business description.
https://start.cortera.com/company/research/k9s4oyp9n/lasco-inc/

And then there is an online invoice showing 45 kgs of iguanas being shipped to Lasco Inc from Mexico.

https://panjiva.com/Lasco-Inc/31487853

Somehow that claims of Ty Park that he does all this only for his "love of the animals" doesn't ring true. Certainly a very odd perspective of a wholesaler of live reptiles to the pet trade. That love must be spread pretty thinly over the thousands of animals being imported through his hands and coldly sold to pet shop chain stores.

So why all the facebook love for just a flipper to the pet trade who has a sideline hobby of some other higher profile lizards? The hobby side obviously is being emphasized on his public pages and the wholesale side being downplayed to be hidden from view from his followers.

Obviously Ty Park is running a profit oriented business. How can there be any doubt?

And then we see Ty Park treating Michelle Cutler exactly as a cold blooded cut throat wholesaler of reptiles would, instead of someone who breeds and works with reptiles solely for the love of it.

But he does these things out of the "goodness of his heart" according to someone who recently joined this thread? lol.....

This dude has people in his back pocket BIG TIME and I don't understand it.