Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[JimM]

Imagine if I went to the grocery store and bought lottery tickets and one of them was a winner....then instead of giving my prize they just gave me the money back for the lottery tickets. Of course no one would accept that and why should this be any different.

Right, it isn't any different .... it's that simple. Mr. Parks could have ended this as soon as it started but I guess it bothered him too much to give up another Tegu to a third winner and decided to keep Michelle's for himself and give her the finger instead. Did someone mention GREED ?

He wasn't expecting a fight like this ... most people wouldn't think of standing up to a millionaire / bully like she is.

We're all hoping so bad the jury makes an example out of him and it it ends up costing him way, way more than the price of that Tegu.

 

[Chris Kennard]

I think this is the post I am referring to, when Michelle replied that she would not believe him, so she wants the $3000.
I also feel like this should/could have been resolved by two rational adults on day one, with a quick phone call, or if Ty had told her he planned on giving her a purple, unfortunately, that did not happen, however, I feel that when Ty told her, to "send her shipping address" or else he would re-auction the prize, and she chose not to, she should have felt/known that is was POSSIBLE, that Ty meant it, and she would have no other recourse that what is occurring now.

She didn't want a purple, and it was not a part of the deal. I've followed this thread from beginning to end, and honestly never needed to read past the opening post here. Ty solicited people to enter a raffle he was running. No mention of any organization involved. He promoted his blue (no mention of purple) tegus produced by himself to be delivered by July or 3000 bucks. Cut and dry. If I were a judge, that is the only post or piece of evidence I'd need to bury that crook. I don't give a rat's arse how much purples are worth. His first post here is false advertisement and the OP is the proof.

 

[bcr229]

It was never brought up even once in this thread until a few pages ago, and I had no idea. I thought he just worked with a bunch of high end lizards like the Tegus, Cyclura, etc....I had no idea he was wholesaling green iguanas to pet stores.

Ty brought it up himself when he and that oxygen thief Mitch Behm got into it a few years back.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308785&page=2

 

[DavidBeard]

Ty brought it up himself when he and that oxygen thief Mitch Behm got into it a few years back.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308785&page=2

One thing I find interesting after reading that thread.....with as many people who were on there defending Ty and singing his praises, not a single one of them has done so in this thread. He doesn't have "repeat" cheerleaders.....in fact one of the folks talking him up in the other thread (Lynn) ended up getting screwed.

 

[kerrek]

She didn't want a purple, and it was not a part of the deal. I've followed this thread from beginning to end, and honestly never needed to read past the opening post here. Ty solicited people to enter a raffle he was running. No mention of any organization involved. He promoted his blue (no mention of purple) tegus produced by himself to be delivered by July or 3000 bucks. Cut and dry. If I were a judge, that is the only post or piece of evidence I'd need to bury that crook. I don't give a rat's arse how much purples are worth. His first post here is false advertisement and the OP is the proof.

Actually she was fine with getting a purple T+ over the Blue T- Ty just never made it clear he was willing to send one of those. He told her at one point he wouldn't send her one because they were more valuable, then when he decided to send her a purple he didn't specifically tell her because he wanted to see what kind of person she was.

 

[Casey Hulse]

The thing here is, she never refused to give him her address, she asked what it is he would send her, pics and needed to make sure she's be home. The way Ty just shoved that at her, he would ship whatever he decided to ship, whenever without a care if she was there or not to accept the parcel.
H ignored her and said he's done, raffled off her prize and posted pictures of it too !!!! So I guess he could have sent her THAT picture when she asked !! NO ???

All I am saying is that Michelle should not have "pissed in the pond" by implying he could not be trusted, or he was scamy. She was counting on TY to perform, and she sullied the waters. It's just NOT COOL to call someone a liar and scamy, if you expect any kind of amicable relationship after that. The fact that he is South Korean may also be part of it. In my mind, Ty was saying";

I AM DONE WITH YOU!! PERIOD! You have 2 days to send your shipping, OR ELSE!!

I am NOT saying it was right, I am saying it would have been obvious to me if I had been Michelle that there would be no recourse except court.

 

[ElliotNess]

All I am saying is that Michelle should not have "pissed in the pond" by implying he could not be trusted, or he was scamy. She was counting on TY to perform, and she sullied the waters. It's just NOT COOL to call someone a liar and scamy, if you expect any kind of amicable relationship after that. The fact that he is South Korean may also be part of it. In my mind, Ty was saying";

I am NOT saying it was right, I am saying it would have been obvious to me if I had been Michelle that there would be no recourse except court.

Why do you feel there needs to be a relationship. I won something. You send me my shiht. I don't need you over for a BBQ. I don't want to go see Logan with you. I want what I won, move on.
I notice now a days that people constitute acquaintances online as friends. I think Deborah makes some awesome snakes and want to buy some one of these days. I send her a PM and she responds. Are we friends? Did we build a relationship? I send her money, she sends me snakes. Done.

 

[Sugarhedgie]

All I am saying is that Michelle should not have "pissed in the pond" by implying he could not be trusted, or he was scamy. She was counting on TY to perform, and she sullied the waters. It's just NOT COOL to call someone a liar and scamy, if you expect any kind of amicable relationship after that. The fact that he is South Korean may also be part of it. In my mind, Ty was saying";

I am NOT saying it was right, I am saying it would have been obvious to me if I had been Michelle that there would be no recourse except court.

Casey
Please show me where I supposidly called HIM a liar and where I said HE was scammy

When we were talking about the raffle terms and he wanted to get me one from a friend but would bot disclose any information and then said that he would not give me a purple one "those are worth 5000 I only owe you $2,500

I said "if I knew this was going to be scammy and shady I prob wouldn't have bought the tickets". That was about the "raffle"

If you can not show it. Please don't put words in my mouth. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance.

 

[Casey Hulse]

Casey
Please show me where I supposidly called HIM a liar and where I said HE was scammy

When we were talking about the raffle terms and he wanted to get me one from a friend but would bot disclose any information and then said that he would not give me a purple one "those are worth 5000 I only owe you $2,500

I said "if I knew this was going to be scammy and shady I prob wouldn't have bought the tickets". That was about the "raffle"

If you can not show it. Please don't put words in my mouth. If I'm wrong I apologize in advance.

That is the post I am talking about,
the other one ( I do not want to look for it) was where he stated,
:" fine, I'll send you one that I produced," and you replied,
" How do I know you produced it?"
you "implied" either he was a liar, or that he could not be trusted, either way, I think that in large part, set the tone for what followed. Again, I am not saying that Ty did the right thing, only that it was predictable to a certain extent. I could tell Ty was very irritated that you did not show the gratitude he was expecting. the relationship was in a bad place before you called him out. My brother used to say "stop talking or I'm gonna slug you" looking back, I should have known when to duck.

 

[AllisonLeigh]

That is the post I am talking about,
the other one ( I do not want to look for it) was where he stated,
:" fine, I'll send you one that I produced," and you replied,
" How do I know you produced it?"
you "implied" either he was a liar, or that he could not be trusted, either way, I think that in large part, set the tone for what followed. Again, I am not saying that Ty did the right thing, only that it was predictable to a certain extent. I could tell Ty was very irritated that you did not show the gratitude he was expecting. the relationship was in a bad place before you called him out. My brother used to say "stop talking or I'm gonna slug you" looking back, I should have known when to duck.

This makes no sense to me. Michelle has no duty to ensure Ty's feels aren't hurt when she states a truth. Ty's own behavior made it seem scamy, if he was so concerned to the implication that his raffle was a scam, maybe he should have been EXTRA careful when dispensing the prizes. Michelle owes Ty nothing... she could assume all she wants that what she said would upset him. He's an adult, being a little offended won't kill him and he should not have let it affect his professional behavior.

With your logic, if your brother raised his arm and you THOUGHT he was going to hit you, and you implied this to him, then it's your own fault if he punches you for stating that?

 

[WebSlave]

Did Ty have something else going on in his life at the time to put him on edge? In my opinion, he just made an unwise decision without fully thinking through about the consequences. As I said before, had he just told all the raffle winners he was sending the more valuable purples, basically sharing his good luck with them, what a fantastic PR bonus that would have been for everyone. What an extraordinary opportunity to put yet another feather in his good reputation cap. But no, in my opinion, he just blew that opportunity. Why? SOMETHING must have been going on that had him preoccupied and just not considering the situation clearly. He is obviously a smart business man, yet this decision just doesn't fit that profile.

So instead, now Ty is spending money on fighting the results of that poor decision that he COULD be spending on more conservation efforts. Can't this just be settled here and now and everyone can just cut their losses and move on? Hasn't enough damage been done? It's only going to get worse for both parties now, is it not? Why fight a mistake instead of just hunkering down and FIXING it?

Ty, please just make the first move to fixing this to show everyone that you really are the great guy that most people believe you are. It can't be fixed any other way. Win or lose in court, the resulting damages are going to be far more than anyone will want to bear for both parties.

IMHO, of course.

 

[Mike (The M)]

Did Ty have something else going on in his life at the time to put him on edge? In my opinion, he just made an unwise decision without fully thinking through about the consequences. As I said before, had he just told all the raffle winners he was sending the more valuable purples, basically sharing his good luck with them, what a fantastic PR bonus that would have been for everyone. What an extraordinary opportunity to put yet another feather in his good reputation cap. But no, in my opinion, he just blew that opportunity. Why? SOMETHING must have been going on that had him preoccupied and just not considering the situation clearly. He is obviously a smart business man, yet this decision just doesn't fit that profile.

So instead, now Ty is spending money on fighting the results of that poor decision that he COULD be spending on more conservation efforts. Can't this just be settled here and now and everyone can just cut their losses and move on? Hasn't enough damage been done? It's only going to get worse for both parties now, is it not? Why fight a mistake instead of just hunkering down and FIXING it?

Ty, please just make the first move to fixing this to show everyone that you really are the great guy that most people believe you are. It can't be fixed any other way. Win or lose in court, the resulting damages are going to be far more than anyone will want to bear for both parties.

IMHO, of course.

Well said.

Whether he liked it or not, he was under obligation to fulfill the raffle terms. Based on his explanation, he didn't see the terms the way they were (rightfully) interpreted, and that's where the breakdown occurred.

Save yourself the headache, send the more expensive tegu, and move on. Begrudging or not, Elliot made a great point. There is a business relationship, and those are based on goods and services. Not feelings.

The good news is, in the age of social media and the web, things are forgotten as quickly as they set fire. Hopefully all parties can just move on quickly.

 

[JimM]

Can't this just be settled here and now and everyone can just cut their losses and move on?

Yeah, wouldn't that be great ? I tune in hear everyday hoping that's what I'll be reading as the latest news ...

Still surprises me that there isn't a good enough friend in Ty's life that could talk some sense into him about doing the right thing. Maybe they have and are as surprised as we are that he'd be this way and gave up trying

Whatever the outcome is, Ty will from now on have this dark cloud hanging over his reputation.

After all this would YOU drop a few thousand dollors with him ? I'm not into Tegus but if I was I'd look for the other breeders to spend my money with.

 

[Mister Internet]

That is the post I am talking about,
the other one ( I do not want to look for it) was where he stated,
:" fine, I'll send you one that I produced," and you replied,
" How do I know you produced it?"
you "implied" either he was a liar, or that he could not be trusted, either way, I think that in large part, set the tone for what followed. Again, I am not saying that Ty did the right thing, only that it was predictable to a certain extent. I could tell Ty was very irritated that you did not show the gratitude he was expecting. the relationship was in a bad place before you called him out. My brother used to say "stop talking or I'm gonna slug you" looking back, I should have known when to duck.

Even if we grant all that, what do you feel Michelle is rightfully owed. Today. Now. Given all the evidence? If you feel she is owed $3,000, then why are you even appearing to support Park and his supporters in this thread? I don't see an upside for you here. If you're trying to help educate future buyers in similar circumstances as to how their behavior, even when in the right, can push a salvageable transaction sour, then I suppose I understand... but I still don't see any upside for you to attach that advice and your good name to this thread and Ty Park.

I'll agree with you that she started off high-strung, but I would have been high-strung too. And a buyer's behavior should have ZERO bearing on fulfilling a done deal in which my terms as a seller/provider have obligated me. She could have been the screechiest, most obstinate customer in in the history of reptile transactions (she wasn't, and I'm not implying that), and that wouldn't have changed Ty Park's obligation ONE IOTA.

Even if she went 0-60 faster than some of us would have (and far slower than others would have), it doesn't change the fact that she is 100% in the right as to what she is rightfully (and legally) owed, does it?

 

[Lucille]

Can't this just be settled here and now and everyone can just cut their losses and move on? Hasn't enough damage been done? It's only going to get worse for both parties now, is it not? Why fight a mistake instead of just hunkering down and FIXING it?

Ty, please just make the first move to fixing this to show everyone that you really are the great guy that most people believe you are.

AWESOME suggestion. And, along those lines, to perhaps make it easier for all of us to be together again as we should be, as reptile fans, maybe we should regroup and help Ty and Michelle find a way to agree to a solution.

I for one apologize for any of my posts in this thread that may have rubbed anyone the wrong way.
Let's try to unite instead of being so divided.

 

[DavidBeard]

If you ask me, Ty Park is a shining example of everything wrong in the reptile hobby.....arrogant, entitled, dealing with animals purely for profit while assuming this façade of some kind of benevolent humanitarian. The worst kind of villains out there are the ones who pretend to be a hero while sticking knives in the back of those who trust them.

 

[DNAexotics]

As a an outsider looking in I see several issues on both sides case, but my experience tells me that ty will win the legal portion in the end. There are 5 main things I see going against the op here. 1. This thread. As this was stated after a suit was filed, most judges and even arbitrators see that as you asked the court to resolve the issue, and this looks like an attempt to force a resolution in spite of that. I'm not saying that's what it is, I'm just saying that's how they often see it. 2. The raffle was for a tegu the "Will grow up to look like this" and although a matter of semantics never said prize would be produced by him. Also a matter of semantics is the whole alternate prize. Now in the case of contracts ambiguity is argued against the writer, which is ty, however as trivial as it may seem to most he did technically adhere to the strict literal writing. 3. At one point on the back and forth he did say he would send the op a blue tegu from a previous clutch, which was responded with a the how do I know your not just going to get one from someone else. That will be seen by many as a refusal of a prize that specifically fits the parameters of the raffle. 4. The op has posted on here multiple times that she doesn't care where the money comes from, ircf or ty, and that looks really bad to a judge or jury. And 5. Is probably the most important one, as a mass resident the op was not able to legally enter said raffle and could not therefore be the recipient of any prize. Even the court told her that she could only get the raffle ticket money and filling cost back. From the conversations it appears ty didn't know this either, I'm sure he does now, and would have actually given a prize that would have been by mass law not legal.

I could be wrong but I believe ty has a non profit , in fact I'm almost positive he does, and therefore could hold the raffle legally in Florida.

Also I saw some incorrect info a few pages back I wanted to address. A case may be dismissed without prejudice only if a counter claim has not been filed. If one has been filed, as tys defamation countersuit was, it can only be granted if the countersuit has merit enough to stand on its own as a claim and therefore is redirected.

I'm not here to pass judgement or say who's wrong or right, those are just the facts as I've seen in personal experience and from the bit of research I did. At this point I don't think pride or ego will allow arbitration, so we will see what the court says.

 

[Herpin Man]

Yeah, wouldn't that be great ?

Still surprises me that there isn't a good enough friend in Ty's life that could talk some sense into him about doing the right thing. Maybe they have and are as surprised as we are that he'd be this way and gave up trying

Do you suppose Ty even HAS good friends? Or does he just have people that kiss up to him and agree with whatever he says?

 

[DavidBeard]

I could be wrong but I believe ty has a non profit , in fact I'm almost positive he does, and therefore could hold the raffle legally in Florida.

This is absolutely incorrect, he has a definite for-profit business in Florida.....him being a non-profit would conflict massively with his wholesale-to-pet-shops business.

The only non-profit entity in this whole thing is the IRCF.

 

[JimM]

If you ask me, Ty Park is a shining example of everything wrong in the reptile hobby.....arrogant, entitled, dealing with animals purely for profit while assuming this façade of some kind of benevolent humanitarian. The worst kind of villains out there are the ones who pretend to be a hero while sticking knives in the back of those who trust them.

Yeah, the same reason I stopped going and vending at shows ten years ago ... too many Ty Parks on both sides of the tables.