Bad Guy Ty park/ ty lizards FL

[MesoCorney]

David your dismissal of my opinion is your issue, and your attitude is indicative of why this discussion moot. Also do t try to tell me what I should or shouldn't post and try to belittle my opinion. Good day

Alexander, I enjoyed your well reasoned analysis. Probably some of the best I have read in this thread. I say keep it coming.

 

[MikeCurtin]

David this is supposed to be an open forum for discussion, I find it odd that with all the speculation that has gone on as to what is or what is not, you are only taking issue with mine since it doesn't align with yours.

David your dismissal of my opinion is your issue, and your attitude is indicative of why this discussion moot. Also do t try to tell me what I should or shouldn't post and try to belittle my opinion. Good day

Well put.

David, can you please show me where Andrew expresses support for Ty Park or warrants your snarky responses?

Just curious. I thought the post you blasted him for was unbiased and thoughtful, regardless of litigious soundness.

 

[Stillbp]

Allison if you look up mass raffle laws the statute pops right up and it seems pretty clear to me from what I read. There's a post I made way back referencing the refusal, as i can see it interpreted as well.

So I just went through the mass raffle/ Bazaar laws and while it may be difficult to host a raffle in mass( which is moot as it was not held in mass.). There are no laws about any one entering one that I can find.so please show me where you found that a mass resident can't enter a raffle as I can't find it.

 

[DavidBeard]

Well put.

David, can you please show me where Andrew expresses support for Ty Park or warrants your snarky responses?

Just curious. I thought the post you blasted him for was unbiased and thoughtful, regardless of litigious soundness.

When someone is literally fabricating things about someone in order to make them look better (claiming that Ty is a non-profit entity) when others have found zero evidence of that, and he has provided zero proof to back up those claims it shows an inherent bias towards the party they are making claims for (ty in this case).

 

[Chris Kennard]

If I were a judge, I need not look past the initial post here. Ty's exact words..."how many of you would be interested if "I" ran an online raffle... He solicited people for money, stated the terms implicating himself as sole money taker and prize giver. Open and shut. He amplified the terms. He screwed the OP. Yes, it is that simple.

 

[DavidBeard]

It really seems like Andrew's modus operandi was to attempt to make Ty look good, without offering any proof. Stating something that is untrue and calling it an "opinion" is a guise used by those who do not have a grasp of the truth and wish to twist perception in their favor.

 

[caffeinecynic]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The one and only post Ty Park made on this thread will be the biggest contributor to his undoing. Not what anyone else has said; not what Michelle has said against him; not even this massively long thread.

His one post was enough, because that one post said outright that he deliberately did not tell Michelle what he was sending her as a 'test.' I cannot see any jury trial appreciating that obvious manipulation attempt, whatever else notwithstanding.

He admitted, outright, that he didn't tell her what he was sending her on purpose.

I agree with Rich: The best thing to do would be to send her either the money or the tegu and be done with the whole thing. Ty's got a lot of balls in the air and unlike some, I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's handled this situation horribly, though, and I do think that how you handle a bad situation is - at the end of the day - more reflective on you than what good you do.

Ty could end this for everyone. Probably not come out smelling like roses, but he could still put a stop to it. I don't understand why he's fighting this so hard. I do understand why Michelle is - but I feel like in his case it's probably a matter of pride. Pride always cometh before a fall.

 

[AllisonLeigh]

Well said Jamie, I hate to see this thread turn into one of those argumentative back and forths that end up muddying the original issue more than clarifying. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, and we shouldn't be berating anyone for sharing theirs if it's done if a respectful way.

I still don't see anything backing your statements though Andrew? From my understanding, typically the delivery address of an order dictates the freight on board location, determining where the vendor is responsible for the order to. This also determines the tax rate/receiver. I don't know how this works in raffles, that's for sure, but since Ty (nor the charity) required Michelle provide her address prior to buying her tickets, then how can anyone determine what state her involvement would fall under? Unless he had delivered the Tegu of course, which he didn't, so that's a moot point.

For example, how do they even know she was in Mass. at the time she made the donation? Does simply having a legal address in a particular state mean every transaction you enter in to is governed by your home state?

I'm not trying to say my understanding is right, I'm just not seeing facts that convince me it's wrong. I am open to any sources you can provide that will convince me otherwise though. I'd much rather be accurate than right

 

[Milesd_87]

If I were a judge, I need not look past the initial post here. Ty's exact words..."how many of you would be interested if "I" ran an online raffle... He solicited people for money, stated the terms implicating himself as sole money taker and prize giver. Open and shut. He amplified the terms. He screwed the OP. Yes, it is that simple.

 

[Casey Hulse]

Alexander, I enjoyed your well reasoned analysis. Probably some of the best I have read in this thread. I say keep it coming.

Agree. Just try to ignore the attacks, and the people who they come from. They want attention, do not give them any.
Michelle, I understand your perspective. No you did NOT call him a liar or scamy

If you're trying to help educate future buyers in similar circumstances as to how their behavior, even when in the right, can push a salvageable transaction sour, then I suppose I understand... but I still don't see any upside for you to attach that advice and your good name to this thread and Ty Park.

Exactly. I do not think either party handled this situation correctly, Ty was the one who needed to perform, and Michelle disrespected him by calling him out, and she even got Ty to offer up a prize he wanted to keep, but left an option open for her to get nothing.

In his mind he was not obligated to send any further information or pictures. I think the $3000 was not at all what he wanted to give anyone. He wanted to give a $3000 (or $5000) tegu. What is the write off on $3000 cash? If Michelle had been more respectful, She would have something right now. Some people feel that Michelle had every right to be doubtful, and ask for pictures etc...it did not serve her very well.

AllisonLeigh, how would you feel about someone who called you dishonest or shady?

 

[JimM]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:


I agree with Rich: The best thing to do would be to send her either the money or the tegu and be done with the whole thing. Ty's got a lot of balls in the air and unlike some, I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's handled this situation horribly, though, and I do think that how you handle a bad situation is - at the end of the day - more reflective on you than what good you do.

Only problem I see with this is Michelle now deserves MORE than the original prize she entered the raffel for. She should now get whatever expenses she's spent trying to collect and seeing how greedy Park's is, that will never happen unless a judge orders Park's to pay it. She's won the case once it gets to court, but I want to see her get her expenses paid besides. That a****** took it this far to hurt her in the pocket book and I want to see it blow up in his face.

As far as a 'bad guy' .... I doubt he'll have the respect he had before all of this happened and many will now spend their lizard-money elsewhere.

Seriously, who would take the chance with dealing with him after seeing and hearing about this thread ? I certainly wouldn't spend $20.00 with him.

 

[yeloowtang]

AllisonLeigh, how would you feel about someone who called you dishonest or shady?

I can't answer for her of course, but myself, if a situation like that would happen and I must say most of everyone I know.

I would for starters do everything I can to prove them wrong and make them feel at ease.
that's by sending pictures, answering questions and respecting that person. I've never been called a liar or scamy but have had people ask many questions and requesting photos when buying an expensive snake.
they are after all, sending $$ to a stranger.
I even have a customer now that is waiting on the weather to warm up before I send the snakes to her, well, I answer questions, send her pic updates, videos of the snakes eating..I do absolutely everything I can to make her feel good about the wait and transaction. something Ty could have done by simple saying OK I will send you one of the purples.I just need your address.

unfortunately, Ty's way of dealing with this was to ignore important questions and simply not supplying her with a picture of what he had decided to send her. He did everything in his possible power to create problems. At the start of all this, all she ever asked for was a picture or to know who he intended to flip from. He how ever made sure to post a picture of the person who got HER prize just to rub it in more !!!
I totally agree with your point about, what's in it for him giving 3000$ cash. It's much better to give out a lizard that in the end, lets face it, is free for him.
and with the lies Ty made, games he played, the doubt he set in her mind, the absolute no she got twice for getting a T+. anyone would lose trust in someone, no matter how great they are said to be.

 

[EdwardK]

If Michelle had been more respectful, She would have something right now. Some people feel that Michelle had every right to be doubtful, and ask for pictures etc...it did not serve her very well.

So when did it become required for a person to be respectful in order to be awarded a prize that they were entitled to receive? You keep circling back to this while saying both parties didn't handle it well. Why aren't you also focusing on Ty's lack of respect to the OP? If he had shown her the respect due what is effectively a customer, she would have had the prize and it wouldn't be the big issue at this time. He could ban her from future raffles or even refuse sales from her, but once payment was accepted he had an obligation regardless of comments by the OP.

Once the money was sent, if she won, she was due her prize as outlined in the raffle rules, regardless of attitude or comments or any other actions on her part. She did win, and Ty took it upon himself to change the rules and deny her the prize. It doesn't matter if she actually was rude to Ty, she won the prize. To continue to stress the whole "respect" angle is simply a way to excuse Ty from having to award the prize to a winner (any winner) as no one can know what another person may decide is disrespectful if they decide they have cause.

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[AllisonLeigh]

AllisonLeigh, how would you feel about someone who called you dishonest or shady?

How would I feel about them, or how would I treat them?

1. If someone implied that I was dishonest or shady, I would look at my behavior and try to put myself in the other person's shoes. That way I can tell if something I did could have caused this feeling in the other person. Had Ty done that, we wouldn't be here.

2. Even if the person said to me "I regret entering into this agreement with you as I believe you are shady and dishonest and I don't like you" for no reason I would fulfill the agreement as was previously dictated and make note that this person probably isn't someone I want to deal with in the future.


How I feel about someone, and how I treat them in a business transaction such as the one between Ty and Michelle, are completely different things. For example, I hate dealing with phone calls. As a programmer I find them distracting and a time waste when we could do it in email and have clear documentation of the request. When I get contacted by phone for something I could have dealt with in email I may feel annoyed, but that's my problem, not the client's. Just as Ty's sensitivity over someone covering their butt in what was looking like a shady transaction (because it was) is his problem, not Michelle's.

I'm not arguing that Ty should invite Michelle to his 4th of July bbq, I'm saying he should have fulfilled the business transaction he dictated the terms of.

 

[Lucille]

One cannot change the past. We seem to be stuck there, dredging and pointing, and I certainly was no different but maybe it is time to think about future possibilities. Maybe, everyone can be happy, or happier than they are now at least.

What can be done so that Ty and Michelle are closer to a decent agreement? All of y'all who are married or in close relationships or who are responsible for company business agreements know that when parties come together to arrange a deal, no one gets everything they want.

Going forward, what are some proposals that might satisfy both Ty and Michelle? They can't each get the whole pie, how can it be cut so each of them feels the arrangement is fair?

Speaking of pie, a story from when I was little: When there was one piece of cake or pie or whatever that had to be divided between the three of us, one person a different one each time, would cut the pieces, and the other two got to choose their pieces first, and the divider got what was left. This assured amazingly equal portions.

 

[MesoCorney]

Does the fact that the prize we are talking about here is a living being, not change things a little? I agree that someone is better off fulfilling an agreement than let pride win out when dealing in inanimate objects. In my opinion if you are selling an animal you have extra responsibility to make sure that animal ends up in a good environment. I am not saying that you will always succeed, but one should certainly always strive for this. I guess that is why I am confused about why are upset about Ty trying to test Michelle. I know if I had seconds thoughts about selling someone an animal I would certainly try to apply some sort of test to gauge their worthyness. Now was this Ty's intention? Only he can say for sure.

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Does the fact that the prize we are talking about here is a living being, not change things a little? I agree that someone is better off fulfilling an agreement than let pride win out when dealing in inanimate objects. In my opinion if you are selling an animal you have extra responsibility to make sure that animal ends up in a good environment. I am not saying that you will always succeed, but one should certainly always strive for this. I guess that is why I am confused about why are upset about Ty trying to test Michelle. I know if I had seconds thoughts about selling someone an animal I would certainly try to apply some sort of test to gauge their worthyness. Now was this Ty's intention? Only he can say for sure.

Please show where the worthiness or quality of her care was tested.

 

[EdwardK]

Does the fact that the prize we are talking about here is a living being, not change things a little? I agree that someone is better off fulfilling an agreement than let pride win out when dealing in inanimate objects. In my opinion if you are selling an animal you have extra responsibility to make sure that animal ends up in a good environment. I am not saying that you will always succeed, but one should certainly always strive for this. I guess that is why I am confused about why are upset about Ty trying to test Michelle. I know if I had seconds thoughts about selling someone an animal I would certainly try to apply some sort of test to gauge their worthyness. Now was this Ty's intention? Only he can say for sure.

You do realize that none of the tests applied were any indication of the care or husbandry experience of the purchaser of the raffle tickets much less the ability to care for the animal? Since there was no requirement set forth in the raffle rules and there clearly wasn't any attempt to discern her ability to care for the animal post raffle, we can easily discount this argument.

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[Guy Castro]

Does the fact that the prize we are talking about here is a living being, not change things a little?

Could you explain how you feed and water $3000?

 

[yeloowtang]

there's nothing to be confused about because Ty did not try to test her about the care of the animal. Some of his facebook followers did accuse her all kinds of things.
Ty invented this greed story and said he wanted to (lets use your word for it) test her and see how greedy she was. because she dared ask that he respect his terms and give her the 3000$ in cash because he did not produce any albino blue tegus.
so TY tried to squirm his way out of that by wanting to buy and flip someone else's tegus. Her ability to care for it was not what he was doing.

he set terms to lure people into buying 100$ tickets for a chance to win one of HIS, not just any tegu. when he wanted to pull a switch and she didn't like that, again she never said NO, she asked who it would come from and can I have pictures ..
every single possible things Ty could have done to work it out, He failed at it. He's the one who stubbornly refused to answer simple questions.