Updates to the infraction system

[SirenSanJose]

Sounds like a reasonable answer. thanks M

Yes, that appears to be the case. Ed, I just viewed your profile, since I'm a normal user, and did not see an "infractions" tab on it.

 

[Ed Clark]

Yes, that appears to be the case. Ed, I just viewed your profile, since I'm a normal user, and did not see an "infractions" tab on it.

I was starting to think I was the only 1 with infractions on the site.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Don't worry, I got one too people.

Although, I did manage to let mine expire.


Just follow the rules, and there won't be any need to cry about a warning or how long it lasts.

 

[WebSlave]

Bear in mind, guys, that an infraction is just a warning, not a penalty. It is a warning that if you continue on the path you are traveling, then a REAL penalty is in your future here.

 

[vapres9686]

Wow, I received an infraction because I informed others that the item a member was selling they could obtain for free through Sprint directly.

 

[Focal]

Was it your ad? If not, then it wasn't your place to say anything.

 

[WebSlave]

Wow, I received an infraction because I informed others that the item a member was selling they could obtain for free through Sprint directly.

You were given THIS infraction:

Disruptive posting in classified ad

for THIS comment you placed:

WOW, Sprint is giving that same phone away for FREE. So why would you want $185 for it, come on have some respect for others. What happened to being FAIR?

in THIS ad:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1171093

Sanyo Zio Brand new Sealed Xmas Deal

It appears that the facts support the actions of my moderator.

 

[vapres9686]

I did not cause separation or division into parts or rioting behavior so how was I disruptive? I have the freedom of speech (with respect to others) and the right to inform my peers of other options. This is America, where freedom of speech (with respect of others), is guaranteed by law and constitution. United States laws override ANY and ALL administrative enities; demonstrated here. If a friend or family member of yours wanted to purchase something at Walmart and Kmart offered it cheaper would you not inform them Kmart offer the same product cheaper? Should you receive disciplinary action because you informed others of such? I DID NOT tell others not to buy from seller, I only gave them other options. So, tell me how that was wrong? I can almost guarantee everyone either have done, will do, or agree with me on that.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Wow, I received an infraction because I informed others that the item a member was selling they could obtain for free through Sprint directly.

Although I'm not the one that gave you the infraction let me help you out.

The ad specifically states that sprint charges "New from Sprint without contract is 349.99."

Looking at Sprint's website that is correct. Yes they are offering the phone for free if "Requires new line or eligible upgrade with a 2-yr contract"

But there value put on the item without contract is 349.00 and that is what they will sell it to you at.

Sprint doesn't own this phone. The author of the ad does and he is offering it at 189.00. It's his property and he didn't post anything deceptive. He is offering it lower than the price put on it by sprint.

Even if he was offering it at more, it's his property and can offer it at whatever price he wants.

Your interruption of his ad didn't mention the fact that he was offering the phone for less that what sprint would sell it to you for under the exact same conditions. With no new line activation or if you are a qualified up-grader with an contract of an additional two years. No, you just stated you can get this phone for free, so why buy from his ad. Actually, his ad is more factual than your comment of, "you can get this for free".

All that aside, You disrupted the seller's ad for no reason but to tell people
not to buy from him. That is disruptive to the sellers ad here. Disruption for that purpose isn't allowed. If you have a problem with the seller you can bring it to the BOI. We provide that forum for feedback. I can assure you tho that it will not be well received there simply because you disagree with the seller's price.

What is allowed in the classifieds is to post a link to a BOI thread if one chooses. Feel free to start a thread there and post a link on his ad.

BOI http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

I think you would regret it on this issue. It really isn't your business what he sells his property at and what someone is willing to pay for it. Coupled with the fact that he isn't asking something unreasonable for an item that has a lot higher value put on it by the company that sells it.

It isn't our responsibility to help someone find the best deal. Nor is it yours, at least not here.

He isn't stealing or misrepresenting anything with his ad. He is selling his property at the price he would like to receive for it. You just don't like the price and it really isn't any of your business. It's up to the buyer to research and decide.

If you would like to refrain from receiving more infractions I would recommend to stay off peoples ads if you plan on chastising sellers for their price.

If not, don't whine about receiving infractions points.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I did not cause separation or division into parts or rioting behavior so how was I disruptive? I have the freedom of speech (with respect to others) and the right to inform my peers of other options. This is America, where freedom of speech (with respect of others), is guaranteed by law and constitution. United States laws override ANY and ALL administrative enities; demonstrated here. If a friend or family member of yours wanted to purchase something at Walmart and Kmart offered it cheaper would you not inform them Kmart offer the same product cheaper? Should you receive disciplinary action because you informed others of such? I DID NOT tell others not to buy from seller, I only gave them other options. So, tell me how that was wrong? I can almost guarantee everyone either have done, will do, or agree with me on that.

Your speech here is limited by the rules. You are standing on private property.
Are you that dense? Your freedom to speak here is a privilege not a right.

This is America, where freedom of speech (with respect of others), is guaranteed by law and constitution. United States laws override ANY and ALL administrative enities;

No, this is fauna, a website and privately owned and if you can't follow the rules you will not participate here. Got it?

I DID NOT tell others not to buy from seller, I only gave them other options. So, tell me how that was wrong? I can almost guarantee everyone either have done, will do, or agree with me on that.

It's not your place to post in someone's ad that their price isn't up to your standards. Offer your own ad up.

 

[vapres9686]

I am not whining because personally I can care less about your infractions, even the one you just added. Like I stated above I NEVER informed anyone to NOT purchase from seller, I only gave others reasonable options. Like you say it is totally up to the buyer to do his or her own research, so there was no need for me to go into details of Sprint's free offer. I just gave my peers a GREAT starting point.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I haven't added a new warning. Nobody has. You have only received one on this site. Care to explain?

 

[polasian]

I was typing out a response to you're PM prior to seeing this thread. Now that we're both here, I might as well just post it here...

Polasian,

Actually I was inquiring about the item, that is why I left the comment. I disagree with your determination of disruptive behavior. I did not tell others not to purchase for that price, I only informed them of other options. I request that such infraction be removed, in respect to United States Constitutional Amendment One; Freedom of Speech. I DID NOT disrupt or disrespect seller in ANY form or fashion. In summary, I have been wrongfully alleged and convicted for a bogus accusation of disruptive posting in classified ad. Anyone, including myself have the right to voice our opinion in a respectable way which was demonstrated in that post. I have not violated any terms or conditions of Fauna Classifieds.

Respectfully,

Van Preston

Actually I was inquiring about the item, that is why I left the comment

Yes you left a comment, not an inquiry. What exactly was your inquiry? Why he's not giving it away for free?...or why he is not being "fair?" You don't see a difference between that and "how much is shipping" for ex? Well, there is a difference, a big difference...and I suggest you grasp that concept prior to any further participation within the classifieds. If you're not entertaining the thought of engaging the OP in a transaction, then do not post in their ad (ESPECIALLY if what you're posting is antagonistic and will do nothing but potentially hinder their sale).

I did not tell others not to purchase for that price, I only informed them of other options.

With that logic you would see nothing wrong with someone jumping in one of your ads (hypothetically) and posting "you can get it cheaper from this guy." Would you clap and smile if someone left a turd like that in your thread?

I disagree with your determination of disruptive behavior.

Your interpretation of policy is flawed...hence your actions required the attention of a moderator. The classifieds are an important business tool, its not a free for all. There are a plethora of various forums available to you on this site in which you can post your opinions all you want. The classifieds aren't one of those forums.

I request that such infraction be removed,

Request denied.

in respect to United States Constitutional Amendment One; Freedom of Speech.

The concept of "free speech" does not apply. Google it...

I DID NOT disrupt or disrespect seller in ANY form or fashion.

Funny that you use the word "disrespect." Go to your User CP and view that negative karma comment that someone left for you. I guess they didn't quite see things your way, did they?

neg karma comment...

Have respect is others posts

I have been wrongfully alleged and convicted for a bogus accusation of disruptive posting in classified ad.

Yes, you were accused, tried, convicted, and sentenced...all with the click of a button. It didn't even cost the tax payers a single cent (we're very efficient here).

Anyone, including myself have the right to voice our opinion in a respectable way which was demonstrated in that post. I have not violated any terms or conditions of Fauna Classifieds.

There you go using that word "respect" again...scroll up, this has already been covered. As for voicing your opinion...you have absolutely no right to post your two cents as you see fit. You must behave within the confines of the policies set forth. I was making you aware of this particular policy via the infraction that you received.

 

[polasian]

I'm guessing he confused the neg karma as being that 2nd infraction

 

[vapres9686]

I apologize, it WAS NOT an infraction but rather -1 karma.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I'm guessing he confused the neg karma as being that 2nd infraction

Well, he has a new one now.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I am not whining because personally I can care less about your infractions, even the one you just added. Like I stated above I NEVER informed anyone to NOT purchase from seller, I only gave others reasonable options. Like you say it is totally up to the buyer to do his or her own research, so there was no need for me to go into details of Sprint's free offer. I just gave my peers a GREAT starting point.

Well, that's great that you don't care for the infraction system here. It is how we enforce the rules for all. If you don't care about our rules and will not respect them, I see no reason to keep you around.

You come here and tell us this is America and you have a right to state what you want. This isn't America and you don't, period. You will follow the rules are you are done on this site. That's it. The End.

 

[vapres9686]

Now, you guys are saying I am antagonizing moderators; lol. This is hilariously funny. If you guys would have more satisfaction you can just delete my user id; not that is makes a difference to me. I will be the same person as was before I ever found out about FaunaClassifieds and no sleep will be loss or bad karma between myself or you guys. It is what it is.

 

[Lucille]

Yes, you were accused, tried, convicted, and sentenced...all with the click of a button. It didn't even cost the tax payers a single cent (we're very efficient here).

lol..................

 

[vapres9686]

Yeah I agree, that was funny. LOL