Info US GLOBAL EXOTICS SPCA RAID

[critical bill]

I am sorry, the "machine" won't let me give you any more karma.

I agree 100% I HATE emotional laden appeals.

Thanks for the gesture, you can get some other time I'm worthy.

But you know I didn't even get through half that guys post before I started mine. I just cant believe that this becomes our fight because that head spent more money in housing animals then he could actually care for. I mean its really as simple as that. He got beat up in the economy like everyone else in every other industry has. You don't have the proper amount of staff because you cant make payroll, you cant make payroll because you're customers aren't buying. In short..you cant care for or even give away what you got because no one can do it and no one wants it.

That may sound incredible - the thought of being offered heavily discounted animals and a customer refusing - but think about if I offered you 250 chinchillas or ferrets at half price, or say 2000 baby red eared sliders, or lets say 1000 iguanas. You gotta feed them and care for them. Thats a lot of money from food to staff to care for them. Any smart person in this business, in this economy, would tell you that you gone and lost your mind. Animals are just sitting in tanks and cages in pet stores because people just aren't buying.

I think he some nuts on him to make this sort of a speech to all these folks at the hobbyist level to donate money to help bail him out of the mess he made and caused for them. And to make them feel as if they don't then they are part of the reason this hobby is going to go away. me man!!! He gets caught with his place looking like and if I don't help him out I'm the bad guy?

I'm just taking a guess here but, I'd have to imagine that 99% of the folks on here aren't buying wholesale directly from him anyway. So who gives a , and him and the horse he rode in on with his 3,000 dead iguanas trailing behind him!!!

And here's the kicker, this guy is out of business for what....a month or two? And he's broke? Are you kidding me??? Multimillion dollar business this was? No savings? No attorney on retainer? Nothing saved for a rainy day? Nothing?

See what I said before.....nothing to pay the employees, place goes down the tubes, animals get neglected, so the place gets raided. 1+1=2. This isn't rocket science folks. You're out of business a month and you cant afford to defend yourself......what are the chances you had the financial ability to care for the volume of animals you had on hand before the raid?

You want a donation Jasen? Great! Post your financial records!!! Let see what you got in the bank!!! Sell your house and your cars and your property and those empty cages you spent 200k on and dig yourself out of the hole you put yourself in trying to become a millionaire (apparently by cutting corners) along with the hobbyist you tossed in that hole that simply do this for the love and passion and enjoyment it gives them.

I'm pissed, I gotta go have a drink, maybe two.

You guys should be thinking about forming your own little fund to sue that son of a for potentially taking your small business and hobby away from you if it comes down to it.

 

[critical bill]

Holy crap, look at those censored icons. lol. I get very worked up.

 

[kmarsh]

I also agree with Matt. I have yet to see any of these so called pics or a video of the raid that shows such horrible conditions and I belive that if there were such we would have seen it plastered all in our faces by now. I have been on the receiving end of accusations from those that don't understand reptiles needs and paid out quite a bit to come out with my behind on that end and closed my pet shop because I would not jeopardize my family or its finances again from others that can ruin you with their unrealistic expectations. The very fact that the animals were dispensed with to others that either couldn't care for them and/or were overwhelmed and alot more died in their care bothers me, as well as the fact that they were given over to others before a trial even took place to show that they were at fault, begs at the very heart of any American to have representation and demand that this be stopped. NO ONE has the right to take anothers posssesions and give them away before the other party is found guilty. I couldn't belive this was happening here in the USA where we are supposedly innocent until PROVEN guilty. What if a jury decides that he was not guilty of all of this? Does he gets his animals back? NO they are already gone. WHAT if this was your animal and You were accused and before You even had a trial your animal was given to another to be sold before you were even found guilty. People wake up before PETA takes away every right we have.

 

[AF Exotics]

One point to make .We are all the same to PETA .Pure and simple .If you think otherwise,you are kidding yourself .Just ask Ingrid whether there is any human who should have any animal as a pet .See what response you get .What do they say about a house divided ? This is exactly the type of petty b.s. they want to see .Watch the HBO Special about the PETA founder and find out how much she differentiates between myself and U.S. Global exotics .I have one reptile,that is one too many to her .

 

[kmarsh]

Very well said Marcus... My point exactly. AT this point I dont feel we can afford to throw anyone under the PETA bus. They are doing everything they can to take away our rights to have pets. This is one time that we can't afford to be a divided house against such ideas that they have.

 

[TriangleReptiles]

But, if (and only if) US Global is guilty of what they are accused of, they ARE the problem. IF they are guilty, they are the rotten apple that could spoil the entire barrel.

 

[DaveyFig]

While I agree that something needs to be done to stop the anti-pet-industry legislation, I fail to see how it effects us all the same. I am sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but the email is just another blurb in this whole saga that tries to draw similarities between the full time reptile breeder/seller and the small time pet hobbyist or pet owner.

All of the "If you think it can't happen to you..." and "you will be next" slippery slope type of posts coming from people who have their entire lives wrapped up in animal sales has little to do with the common herp owner. I am sorry that I have little to offer to a multimillion dollar operation who's sole responsibility was to care for animals until they were sold, and they failed. If I had money to donate to a cause such as this, I might have invested it in animals and perhaps have my own reptile related company now. This post isn't being made out of jealousy, as I never thought that reptile selling was something I wanted to do as a career. As such, the outcome of the raid and trial that followed does not effect me.

Appealing to the masses for support may seem like the appropriate action, but don't try to suggest that this is something that is going to happen to us if we don't help pay for an appeal. Banned interstate large constrictor sales is not going to change anything for the guy who has one boa either. Not everyone is a breeder,not everyone sells across state lines, and even though it may be the "industry standard" not everyone keeps animals in such piss poor conditions that they suffer and die.

 

[DaveyFig]

But, if (and only if) US Global is guilty of what they are accused of, they ARE the problem. IF they are guilty, they are the rotten apple that could spoil the entire barrel.

Is the "IF" refering to "If they are found guilty"(because that has already been determined) or something else?

 

[critical bill]

I have yet to see any of these so called pics or a video of the raid that shows such horrible conditions and I belive that if there were such we would have seen it plastered all in our faces by now.

Why would the prosecutor release the photos or the videos while there is a case going on, and perhaps hamper the case they have? What good does it do them?

Why hasn't the defense asked for copies of the photos and video? They should have exactly what has been viewed by the court and what the court has made its decision on. If they don't have them yet, they should have been able to view them.

So, why hasn't the defense gone public and stated what they have seen or what they are in possession of as evidence provided by the part of prosecution does not depict the deplorable conditions that the judge has ultimately ruled on?

Do you have an answer for that? Probably not, but I have close enough to an answer.....and that is because everything that is in the video and in the photo is true to what has been ruled as deplorable conditions and it would not help the defense in anyway to make such information public.

If I had to guess, the defense has already informed its client that the prosecution has a clear cut case of animal neglect. Their will probably be no jail time but a heavy fine to be paid and such conditions that will not allow him to ever engage in the live animal business ever again.

So are you paying for his continued defense, or are you actually paying for the heavy fine?

I'm sorry, but this case is a done deal. He got raided on the wrong day. He should have been on his toes and managed his business better. With that much to be responsible for daily and the amount of money involved, you'd think you'd have somebody brighter than 5th grader running the place.

 

[Helenthereef]

This has gone global - it was featured on our local TV news (in Fiji) as a feed from the New Zealand news. Apparently the owners of Global Exotics are New Zealanders, and were in NZ on holiday when the raid happened.
Some very emotive footage of drowned hamsters and convulsing boas.
VERY bad, and now world-wide, publicity.

 

[lanceheads]

One point to make .We are all the same to PETA .Pure and simple .If you think otherwise,you are kidding yourself .Just ask Ingrid whether there is any human who should have any animal as a pet .See what response you get .What do they say about a house divided ? This is exactly the type of petty b.s. they want to see .Watch the HBO Special about the PETA founder and find out how much she differentiates between myself and U.S. Global exotics .I have one reptile,that is one too many to her .

Randal Berry

 

[kmarsh]

No it doesn't effect us all the same but yet it still effects us to some degree and therefore is where I am just completely against anything peta stands for. Just as some have pointed out, if You are that one guy with the lone boa and need to take it across state lines to get it seen by a vet that is more specialized than your local cat and dog vet, this law wouldn't allow that. If you need to sell or rehome your pet, you would have to hope that someone within your state would buy or take it. IF you are in the military or your job moves you out of state you would have to leave your boa behind or find it a home or as the media so often claims "release it in the wild" . I just don't feel that the law is meant to tell me what kind of pet I can and can't have and if so where does the line stop at?

 

[DaveyFig]

No it doesn't effect us all the same but yet it still effects us to some degree and therefore is where I am just completely against anything peta stands for. Just as some have pointed out, if You are that one guy with the lone boa and need to take it across state lines to get it seen by a vet that is more specialized than your local cat and dog vet, this law wouldn't allow that. If you need to sell or rehome your pet, you would have to hope that someone within your state would buy or take it. IF you are in the military or your job moves you out of state you would have to leave your boa behind or find it a home or as the media so often claims "release it in the wild" . I just don't feel that the law is meant to tell me what kind of pet I can and can't have and if so where does the line stop at?

All I am saying is that I am sick of reading stuff written by those who stand to lose the most, about how much I am going to lose.

 

[kmarsh]

Ok You have to make a decision here, is the case on going or is it over? Can't have it both ways. If its on going then ok maybe the evidence won't be shown because of the case on going but if its over then why isn't the pics being shown. There has been both good and bad said of US GLobal just in this thread alone so it would appear that there are 2 sides to this story and I would hope that a jury gets to decide and its not so definate that there will be no jail time for that many cases to cruelty to animals. Micheal Vic surely got jail time for cruelty then why wouldn't 27,000 cases of cruelty get jail time?

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

You don't have the proper amount of staff because you cant make payroll.

Has it ever crossed your mind the PETA employee purposely neglected animals to further their agenda and is it only your assumption he wasn't paying his employees or is that a fact?

And here's the kicker, this guy is out of business for what....a month or two? And he's broke? Are you kidding me??? Multimillion dollar business this was? No savings? No attorney on retainer? Nothing saved for a rainy day? Nothing?

Did Jason say he was broke and has no savings? Where are you coming up with that he has no attorney on retainer?

See what I said before.....nothing to pay the employees, place goes down the tubes, animals get neglected, so the place gets raided. 1+1=2. This isn't rocket science folks. You're out of business a month and you cant afford to defend yourself......what are the chances you had the financial ability to care for the volume of animals you had on hand before the raid?

You want a donation Jasen? Great! Post your financial records!!! Let see what you got in the bank!!! Sell your house and your cars and your property and those empty cages you spent 200k on and dig yourself out of the hole you put yourself in trying to become a millionaire (apparently by cutting corners) along with the hobbyist you tossed in that hole that simply do this for the love and passion and enjoyment it gives them.

If you or anyone doesn't want to donate that is fine but to ask to post his financial records is his business, not yours or anyone's business.

I'm pissed, I gotta go have a drink, maybe two.

You guys should be thinking about forming your own little fund to sue that son of a for potentially taking your small business and hobby away from you if it comes down to it.

You don't even know ALL the facts, you base your assumptions on a newspaper article selling news, you would be a good candidate to work on behalf of PETA and all the other activiist trying to ban pets, good going Chuck!

 

[Helenthereef]

Here's a link to the New Zealand TV news website that has been featuring this story.

http://tvnz.co.nz/search/ta_ent_sea...Global+Exotics&sort=date:D:S:d1&submit=Search

They did show images (video footage) of dead, sick and overcrowded animals on TV. I can't get the "Watch" links to work on this site, but that might just be my computer settings.

 

[TriangleReptiles]

Is the "IF" refering to "If they are found guilty"(because that has already been determined) or something else?

The "if" is exactly what I stated. IF they ARE GUILTY of the poor treatment they have been accused of, they ARE the problem. I didn't say "if a JP or city judge in Arlington TX finds them guilty", I said IF THEY ARE GUILTY. I said what I meant.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

The "if" is exactly what I stated. IF they ARE GUILTY of the poor treatment they have been accused of, they ARE the problem. I didn't say "if a JP or city judge in Arlington TX finds them guilty", I said IF THEY ARE GUILTY. I said what I meant.

 

[DISCERN]

I believe Critical Bill has hit the nail on the head...

It is really sad that because US Global Exotics were not able to effectively take care of animals that they had no business even having, because they had too many to begin with, this now HAS the probability and WILL make our hobby and industry look bad in the eyes of fools such as PETA, lawmakers, media outlets, etc., thus potentially influencing negative attitudes and possible laws to take place that would hurt our industry. All because they simply did not do a quality job. There is no excuse.

And they were in business because people did not demand quality animals to begin with.

If people demanded quality animals from the start, wholesalers such as this may not have been in business, to later on possibly screw things up for those who actually either breed, produce, keep, etc., quality animals to begin with. See how 2 + 2 = 4 here, folks?

I have watched many newstories about what happened, since I happen to live in the same state. Believe me, what I saw was beyond ridiculous. There is no excuse for what I have seen. So many of these animals were given horrible lives and conditions to deal with, all because places like this exist. Sorry, but there is no need to be importing 100s of iguanas, no need to have thousands of animals living in these conditions, all to possibly and eventually become throw away pets. Do we really realize, as a whole, how horrible this is, for any animal? Does that matter to those who say they love animals? Unbelievable.

Sorry, but US Global Exotics receives no sympathy from me whatsoever.

 

[Helenthereef]

Sorry, but there is no need to be importing 100s of iguanas, no need to have thousands of animals living in these conditions, all to possibly and eventually become throw away pets. Do we really realize, as a whole, how horrible this is, for any animal? Does that matter to those who say they love animals? Unbelievable.