Use Caution w/ Nature Coast Exotics

[kmurphy]

jaxom1957

Seriously, I thought the purpose of this forum was to discuss breeders and hobbyist with which we've had positive or negative experiences. So far, noone posting in the thread has bothered to recount any experience whatsoever with the parties involved.

Nature Coast Exotics already has a couple of threads devoted to them so it really isn't necessary for more input. Aaron had already received his money so when he posted here his transaction was a done deal. His post would have been better served as an addition to one of those threads.

However, as a group we can't just look the other way when someone appears to be doing something illegal, or is attempting to circumvent existing regulations. Our rights to keep reptiles are continuously under pressure in many States. We are looked upon as a bunch of weirdos by 2/3 of the population with little support when new regs are proposed. So I feel it is our responsibility as hobbyist/dealers to take people to task when these situations arise.

 

[FunkyRes]

Nature Coast Exotics already has a couple of threads devoted to them so it really isn't necessary for more input. Aaron had already received his money so when he posted here his transaction was a done deal. His post would have been better served as an addition to one of those threads.

However, as a group we can't just look the other way when someone appears to be doing something illegal, or is attempting to circumvent existing regulations. Our rights to keep reptiles are continuously under pressure in many States. We are looked upon as a bunch of weirdos by 2/3 of the population with little support when new regs are proposed. So I feel it is our responsibility as hobbyist/dealers to take people to task when these situations arise.

I agree. When I was 14 - my parents bought me a pair of Burmese Pythons. The pet store knew they were for me and should have advised against it. It was difficult to find homes for them when I went off to college, couldn't take them, and parents wanted to get foster kids (which they couldn't with pythons in the house).

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound judgemental, but I think it is a very bad idea for a 24 year old to be buying a baby american alligator. I'm in my 30s now, I won't keep large snakes because I know that until I retire, there is always the possibility that I will be uprooted and need to move, and large snakes makes that very difficult.

That alligator will not remain small, it will grow and live for a very long time. I don't think a 24 year old is capable of knowing that he will be able to care for the animal for the duration of its life. Like large snakes, an adult american alligator is very difficult to find a home for.

Therefore, a 24 year old has no business buying one. Can he legally do it? Sure. But it isn't a very bright thing to do.

The trend is clear. More and more states are making them illegal to own, and more and more counties in states where they are legal are making them illegal to own. Buying one as a young individual is a boner move.

 

[ajiggity3]

Well I supposed the best thing to do is let this disasterours thread die. Plus contrary to Chuck's belief I am leaving for my HETEROSEXUAL wedding tomorrow.

I think one of the posters said it best, this thread and this forum for that matter does not appear to be using the way it should be. It is sad that we do not have a place where we can openly talk about who is right, who is wrong, who could have done what better without one bad apple ruining it. Such is life I guess.

Funky, you can rest assured I am very educated in the care of an american alligator. I've been through it before.

I do have a concern though of threats from a "reputable" reptile dealer on calling authorities. None of us want that thrown in front of us, even if we have broke no laws.

 

[hhmoore]

I think it is a very bad idea for a 24 year old to be buying a baby american alligator............. I don't think a 24 year old is capable of knowing that he will be able to care for the animal for the duration of its life.......Therefore, a 24 year old has no business buying one.

Sorry - I know this is off topic, but you could make arguments against a person of any age buying an alligator (or a large constrictor). If 24 is such an inappropriate age for such a purchase, what would be a reasonable age (in your opinion)?

 

[ajiggity3]

Mr. Moore . . .

I am bit a confused with that as well you can vote at 18, can drink at 21, can certainly have a college degree by 24, but can't own a large reptile?

Age is not a true reflection of maturity and responsibility. Yes I have buddies who are 24 and can't feed themselves Ramen noodles, but I as well as many other 24 year olds can be very mature. Heck, several I know have children.

 

[FunkyRes]

Sorry - I know this is off topic, but you could make arguments against a person of any age buying an alligator (or a large constrictor). If 24 is such an inappropriate age for such a purchase, what would be a reasonable age (in your opinion)?

For an alligator, they really should not be owned by individuals. Farms where they are bred for meat, or natural history museums, it's fine.

I'm not saying that it should be illegal for an individual to own one, just that it isn't exactly the most intelligent choice one could make. It will at some point be a problem that has to be dealt with, either when you find yourself moving to a location where they can not be kept, or you die and now your family has to deal with it.

 

[Otter_23]

Its your fucking mothers time of the month dickface. You got a fucking problem you email me with it or start a fucking thread about it and address me directly on it.

Dont go using my posts to Aaron to tinkle your way into an arguement with me you fucking sissy. Be a man.

Chuck I think it is time for you to take another break from fauna as you obviously have relapsed to old behaviors.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Its your fucking mothers time of the month dickface. You got a fucking problem you email me with it or start a fucking thread about it and address me directly on it.

Dont go using my posts to Aaron to tinkle your way into an arguement with me you fucking sissy. Be a man.

Chuckie, Chuckie, Chuckie

"Yo Mama"....is that the best you can come up with? I believe I got the same response from one of the mouthbreathers in Junior High 30 years ago. Of course he said it a bit more articulately

My post was meant in jest Chuckie. Anyone with the emotional maturity of a fruitfly would have gotten that. Instead, here you are as usual. Dropping your pants and acting like a 7 year old with Tourette's. What a surprise!

"Look at me...I can say the F word three times in one sentance! Aren't I impressive" Pathetic. You are the worst attention whore on this site. You are 40 years old for Gods Sake!

You recently made a statement in a posted Email on this site that I found particularly amusing in a sad egomaniacal way;

What you did not know is that "the rules"...THE RULES... Do not apply to me. I simply cannot adhere to any rules and they..."the rule makers".. Seem to have given up hope of containing me

That's you to a T Chuckie.....A FORCE OF NATURE TO BE RECKONED WITH!! Not!

Did it ever enter your pointy little head that the reason they don't bother to contain the magnificence that is you is due to the fact that they find you to be an inconsequential clown? You are really nothing but toilet comic relief on this site. Your delusions of grandeur don't change that.

The really sad thing is that a small percentage of what you say is actually worth reading. Not much...but some. Unfortunately, to get to that 10% or so you have to wade through the pools of bile and crap you spew. It simply isn't worth it.

In short...grow up and start acting like an adult. If you ever want to have a bit of credibility here, acting like a potty mouthed petulant adolescent is not the way to achieve it. Continue on here the way you have and remain the bad joke you have become.

I apologize to the mods and readers for this off topic post. However, I believe it was necessary and I have now had my say.

 

[kmurphy]

Enough already.

The orignal post was bad enough but now "that" passage has been highlighted and reposted 4 additional times.
I can't see where it would be necessary to point it out again.

Kevin

 

[Junkyard]

I do have a concern though of threats from a "reputable" reptile dealer on calling authorities. None of us want that thrown in front of us, even if we have broke no laws.

In reading the "treat" e-mail, it was merely veiled at best. Also with you calling the authorities yourself, did you really want to end the transaction because you found out it was illegal to own such an animal in Georgia, or was it because things were not going right and taking to long making you frustrated with the whole deal?

I am curious as to why you would call NCE "reputable"? You have read previous threads on them and even told them you have, yet you still went forward with the transaction.

All in all, the deal is over, you have your money and they have their gator. Probably one of the better endings to a sour deals. My advise is just be careful next time, when you check the BOI, choose for the better judgement so you do not get caught up in something like this again. Take this experience as a lesson learned and move on. Luckily for you, you got your money back.

Good luck with your collection, make it big and beautiful. As for owning a gator, just be careful.

 

[ajiggity3]

For an alligator, they really should not be owned by individuals. Farms where they are bred for meat, or natural history museums, it's fine.

I'm not saying that it should be illegal for an individual to own one, just that it isn't exactly the most intelligent choice one could make. It will at some point be a problem that has to be dealt with, either when you find yourself moving to a location where they can not be kept, or you die and now your family has to deal with it.

Funky, just wondering but do you feel the same way then in regards to anything in the monitor family? Or giant tortoises such as sulcatas?

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Funky, just wondering but do you feel the same way then in regards to anything in the monitor family? Or giant tortoises such as sulcatas?

Aaron

There is a big difference between an alligator and a monitor. One can give you a nast bite. The other can easily kill you. That is the reason one generally requires special licensing or is prohibited and the other does not.

 

[WebSlave]

Chuck, you really are a lowlife. I suspect Rich is seeng this and Rich, I for one think you have done a fine job allowing the BOI to turn into this. Welcome to the new wild west.

Quite honestly, you all are getting what you asked for, and apparently what you wanted. Or have you forgotten already all the flak I took over the strictness I had to utilize in order to enforce the rules to try to attain that goal of a better place here? It is DEFINITELY not worth my time and efforts to try to make members here be better than they obviously WANT to be in a public forum.

The problem is that you all REALLY don't know what you want and blame me for that issue. Quite frankly, I just got tired of playing "daddy" here.

So here are the crayons. Draw a picture of yourself for the world to see. That will be YOUR problem, not mine. I'm just providing the paper for you to draw on.

Have a nice day!

 

[jglass38]

Quite honestly, you all are getting what you asked for, and apparently what you wanted. Or have you forgotten already all the flak I took over the strictness I had to utilize in order to enforce the rules to try to attain that goal of a better place here? It is DEFINITELY not worth my time and efforts to try to make members here be better than they obviously WANT to be in a public forum.

The problem is that you all REALLY don't know what you want and blame me for that issue. Quite frankly, I just got tired of playing "daddy" here.

So here are the crayons. Draw a picture of yourself for the world to see. That will be YOUR problem, not mine. I'm just providing the paper for you to draw on.

Have a nice day!

Ahh Rich..Its always everyone else's fault, isn't it? You couldn't find the happy medium so you chose to let the inmates run the asylum. Its your beloved BOI that will continue to sink into irrelevance.

 

[ajiggity3]

Jamie and Rich,

Jamie I could not agree with you more. Once I am finished speaking my peace on this thread, I will never post again. This certainly has been a memorable experience and not a good memorable experience.

Suncoast,

There are very few examples if any of an captive alligator attacking let alone killing. I am sure we can find many more incidents with monitors and probably even more so with snakes.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Jamie and Rich,

Jamie I could not agree with you more. Once I am finished speaking my peace on this thread, I will never post again. This certainly has been a memorable experience and not a good memorable experience.

Suncoast,

There are very few examples if any of an captive alligator attacking let alone killing. I am sure we can find many more incidents with monitors and probably even more so with snakes.

My point was that the regs are scaled by the presumed danger the animal poses. There are also very few Gators being kept by private individuals compared to the number of monitors. Simply because there have not neen a lot of fatal accidents with gators does not mean that the potential is not there. That is akin to saying that you have played Russian Roulette a hundred times and not been killed therefore it must be safe.

Crocodilians, Giant Constrictors and Venemous Reptiles of any sort are a very special responsibility to take on and it should not be taken on lightly in my opinion.

 

[ajiggity3]

I agree Suncoast.

Oh yeah why is it I got a warning and have a warning level of 1 now for my use of the word bullsh*t. And Chuck was a warning level of 2 and only 2 for his several rants on here?

 

[WebSlave]

Ahh Rich..Its always everyone else's fault, isn't it? You couldn't find the happy medium so you chose to let the inmates run the asylum. Its your beloved BOI that will continue to sink into irrelevance.

:laugh: I've heard this same tune after every change I have ever made over the past 4 years or so. Still hasn't happened, has it? And certainly your prediction is no more accurate than all those preceding it.

It still does the job it was designed to do, and certainly allows the people who need to be seen as they really are the chance to give everyone that opportunity. It just took me seeing the results of my attempts to "clean up the joint" to realize that this is necessary to do here. I was working way too hard to try to save people from themselves. And I certainly don't need that sort of aggravation.

But no, the "inmates" aren't running this place at all. I just opened up the blinds on the windows so people could actually see them as they really are. The only "running" they may be doing is running their own reputations into the ground.

And to be honest, I find it every bit as entertaining as everyone else does, and I don't need to work nearly so hard at it as I used to, because of it.

Which suits me just fine and dandy..........

 

[critical bill]

I agree Suncoast.

Oh yeah why is it I got a warning and have a warning level of 1 now for my use of the word bullsh*t. And Chuck was a warning level of 2 and only 2 for his several rants on here?

Because I was issued a separate warning point from moderator Dennis and from the admin Rich. 1+1=2. Tomorrow I'll teach you how to divide.

Hey send me those emails when you have a chance. Please include the full headers and do not edit your emails address out as you've done here. Your an IT professional? I think you mentioned that? Send them, but again.. don't edit a thing as you've done so far...because I just might have the emails from NCE's side.

 

[kmurphy]

Quite honestly, you all are getting what you asked for, and apparently what you wanted.

Not all, or even most, if the poll results are the criteria you're basing this on. In the lead was "Stay the Course" closely followed by "Ease up a bit". Collectively these were 92% of the votes. Throw the Gates Wide Open (my heading) had only a few takers. I do agree though that you, and the moderators are not baby sitters and we are supposedly adults. Also that the BOI still serves a good purpose, although with wide open changes the effectiveness is weakened.