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Username Victor121 – Questionable Guy

Sorry this is so long, but I take it very seriously when discussing someone’s reputation and wanted to lay out all the facts as accurately as possible.

Here is a summary of my transaction so far with Victor121:

About a month and a half ago, he posted a classified for 15 normal and 2 het albino females. Here is the link to the ad:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225467

On February 6th, (The day the ad was posted) I called him about the female het albinos and he said he actually had 3 and someone was coming to look at them in about 15 min. He only posted 2 because he was thinking about keeping 1. He said he had a “big one” that was about 2600 grams and two others were in the 1600-1800 gram range and were purchased from Ralph Davis and he had certificates, he just needed to find them. Also as it was posted in the classified ad, he confirmed again that he had pictures of all the females locked with his male albino. He said he would call back after the person that was coming left and let me know if he still had any.

Later we started communicating by text and he said that the person who came only bought the one 2600 gram het albino and he had decided he was willing to sell both of the other 2. I agreed and bought them both. I told him I wanted the pictures he mentioned so I could be sure that if any eggs were laid, they would at least be hets. He had positive ratings, so I didn’t hinge the transaction on the pictures. He promised to send them as soon as he could (there was formatting/emailing issue).

About 1 week later, the snakes were delivered to my house (via UPS). I was at work, so my wife put them in their new quarantine racks. I usually wait 2 weeks to handle my new snakes as I like them to distress first. Instead, I checked the bags they were shipped in for signs of mites (which I didn’t find) and viewed them in their cages. 2 weeks later (and still no pictures after repeated requests) I pulled them out and one obviously felt smaller than promised. She weighed 1,300 grams. This might not be a big deal to some, but I just don’t breed until 1500 grams, so I wouldn’t have purchased her at all if he had given accurate information.

I emailed Victor about her weight and long story short; he said he would buy her back if I wasn’t happy. I wasn’t so I asked him how he would like to proceed with that transaction and then the communication stopped. Normally he was very fast at returning emails, but he just stopped responding. At that point to me, it wasn’t worth the risk of sending her back, so I tried to end the transaction on a good note offering to trade positive feedback since he did at least offer the refund. Basically, I was just looking for closure on the transaction.

Although we never traded ratings, I was going to just let it go until he recently posted a 4th 1500 gram female het albino which was possibly gravid and had been locked with the male albino he sold several weeks ago. This let me know he must have had this snake when we made our transaction. Here is that post:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232244

I realize it was his choice if he wanted to keep one of his het albinos, that is not my issue. It’s more that he told me he only had 3, one of which he sold to someone else and now the one he is selling better fits the description than the one I received. Basically, combine that with the lack of the promised pictures and certificates and it all just seems fishy to me.

I have told him many times that if he would just send me the pictures of the locks that he promised he had or the certificates from Ralph Davis which he said he also had, then I would be satisfied. My theory with the pictures is that I could assume that there is a better chance that these are hets if he was breeding them to his albino or at the very least know that he didn’t just ship me 2 totally random snakes he had lying around.

He assured me that he wasn’t scamming anyone and that he does this as a hobby. He said he doesn’t need to scam people because he owns one of the largest plumbing companies in his area. I looked at some of his other posts and he has said this before in defending himself. He has provided this link for his huge plumbing company: www.IslandBathWorld.com

Problem is, the link is not currently active, which also just doesn’t look good.

I emailed Victor one last time a couple of day ago asking him to please provide the pictures that I was promised. This would certainly ease my mind. It says right in the post that he has “pics of all locks” If he will just share them with me, I will happily update this post.

Casey Dunham
 
interesting

Here's what I find interesting. I was the guy that went to his house that day, Feb. 6th, which was the same day he placed the ad. I actually contacted him within minutes of him placing the ad and told him I would come up. He told me I was buying ALL the het albino's that he had. I too have yet to receive paperwork on the hets that he promised me when I was there. I was told they were at his workplace and would send them when he got back to the office. That was almost 2 months ago. Then I get some story that he bought them from a friend who claimed that they got them from Ralph Davis and he didn't get paperwork from them. That's not what I was told when I bought them. The truth will come out soon. The female is definately gravid and will be be laying soon. He told me she was bred to a visual albino. We'll see what pops out.

Its strange how more hets keep popping up. My first red flag was when he posted a new ad a few days after our deal with more gravid het albinos. Again, he told me I was buying all he had when I was there days ago.

Now I see Casey posting about buying hets from him AFTER I was there. I know many have posted here having good deals with Victor. I just have had too many red flags with mine which I have stated earlier. I hope I am wrong.
 
Has anyone alerted Victor to this thread?? Looks like there's good reason for this thread, but would still like to see what he has to say.

Kevin, please keep us posted as your eggs start hatching!!
 
As I posted in one of his het pied ads, Ralph Davis links and show pictures of nearly all of his clutches on his web page. If he knows what year it was born and it should be easy to find the clutch and your exact animal....if it did indeed come from Ralph.
 
He recently purchased a huge lot of snakes from Deborah Broadus and has been selling off the ones he doesn't need. Not sure if the new het alb was included in the deal, but if he didn't need het albs then... I don't see why he would need them now.
 
Kevin, just to clarify, did he say that's all the het's he owned or all the ones he had for sale? A keeper today could be for sale tomorrow.

No giving paperwork when you say you will is one thing, but I don't see why he has to cough up every detail of his collection. I, personally, don't want anyone to know what I have at home.
 
Kevin, just to clarify, did he say that's all the het's he owned or all the ones he had for sale? A keeper today could be for sale tomorrow.

No giving paperwork when you say you will is one thing, but I don't see why he has to cough up every detail of his collection. I, personally, don't want anyone to know what I have at home.

Hey, Nick....when someone pops up this quickly with this many hets, in conjunction with questionable paperwork, that person should probably have some explanation....especially if he obviously doesn't have any problem with people coming to his house or knowing what he has.

Had anyone heard of Victor before he started advertising animals for sale? Did Victor claim to produce any of these hets? It just seems like an awful lot of hets going through an awful lot of hands if you ask me.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226473&highlight=victor121
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225607&highlight=victor121
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232956&highlight=victor121
 
Hey, Nick....when someone pops up this quickly with this many hets, in conjunction with questionable paperwork, that person should probably have some explanation....especially if he obviously doesn't have any problem with people coming to his house or knowing what he has.

Had anyone heard of Victor before he started advertising animals for sale? Did Victor claim to produce any of these hets? It just seems like an awful lot of hets going through an awful lot of hands if you ask me.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226473&highlight=victor121
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225607&highlight=victor121
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232956&highlight=victor121

I'm not defending him. Just asking questions and keeping an open mind until I hear both sides. Something that seems to be overlooked in here a lot. No offense OP.

To me, it seems like the only explaining he needs to do is why he is not providing paperwork. He did just purchase $15k in snakes so I would at least keep that in mind for now.
 
Nick

Nick,
I was at his house. I saw his entire collection at that time. While he did have a few nice mid end animals, he didn't have anything like he is listing now. He showed me the ONLY 2 het albino females that he had. I asked "Are their any more because I will buy them too". He said "No, this is all I have" and showed them to me. Remember, he said he had to sell off his collection because of a move he was making across the country. Why would he hold back some if that were the case. Plus he showed me everything he had. Now he is offering to buy entire clutches and collections. And I know of at least one recent high end collection he bought. I am sure you all have seen the ads. Let me ask you Nick, would you be at all concerned if you were in my or Casey's shoes? I am not here saying he is a bad guy yet, but I have had many red flags pop up in my dealings with him. At least I will know for sure if they are in fact hets because one is definitely gravid by Victor's breeding. The other that I have is currently being bred to an albino to to see if she proves out.
 
Doug and Jeremy

Doug,

I will post pics later when I am home of the 2 female hets that I bought.

Jeremy,

I saw that het pied ad too. I also saw your post at that time about Ralph keeping photos of all clutches. I will tell you this... he showed me this group of 'mixed up hets' and offered them to me. I wanted nothing to do with them. I will also go on record and say they were no where near the size he had them listed in his ad. This was another red flag to me.
 
Now knowing Kevin’s experience, it really doesn’t take a detective to see that something is very wrong here.

Quick rundown:

Victor told me he had a total of 3 het albinos. The exact same day, he told Kevin that he had a total of 2 het albinos. Kevin went to his house before Victor and I even came to and agreement and he told Kevin that he was buying all of his het albinos. Later that day, he told me that I was buying all of the het albinos that he had left. He told both of us that these were originally from Ralph Davis.

Based on what Victor himself said, at the very most he could have had 3 het albinos but somehow he sold 4 het albinos that same day.

Currently he has another posting for another female het albino and based on the fact that he claims it is possibly gravid from the albino he sold a few weeks ago, he has had it for a while. If he sells this one - that will be 5 female het albinos he has sold out of the 3 that he said he had.

Now that being said - Would anyone like to buy some really great het albinos from me and Kevin? I’m sure we can make you a good deal and they come with a really great guarantee from Victor. :yesnod:
 
I hope Victor comes hear and explains a little more. I have questions that I would like answered. I haven't been able to get through to him on the phone. Casey was waiting to hear back from Victor about how many hets I took that same day.

Victor, why would you tell Casey that I only bought 1 supposed het when I actually bought 2, if they are in fact really hets? Something is not adding up dude. And why haven't you been able to send pics of the locks or the paperwork from Ralph to me? It's been almost 2 months.
 
I got a PM about it, so just to be completely clear, the remark I made at the end of my last message about Kevin and I selling our snakes from Victor was just a joke. That was not really an advertisement of any kind.

More importantly, I just got an email from Victor saying that his son is in the hospital so he isn’t concerned with this stuff right now.

He didn’t say why his son was in the hospital, but regardless of snake stuff - I hope you will join me in praying for him.
 
I got a PM about it, so just to be completely clear, the remark I made at the end of my last message about Kevin and I selling our snakes from Victor was just a joke. That was not really an advertisement of any kind.

More importantly, I just got an email from Victor saying that his son is in the hospital so he isn’t concerned with this stuff right now.

He didn’t say why his son was in the hospital, but regardless of snake stuff - I hope you will join me in praying for him.

Where have I heard THAT before???
 
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