Bad Guy VARNYARD...Mr.Bobby Hill

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Bobby seems to have a proclivity to latching on to whatever dim-witted idea enters his mind, and running with it.

Probably the single best one sentence description of Mr. Hill I have ever read....Bravo!


Case in point:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132491


Arguably one of the dumbest and most misguided threads ever posted on the BOI.

 

[WebSlave]

Bobby owes no one anything. If he, or any of you, chooses NOT to give out penny by penny expense accounts, it's his business and if you don't like it, tough cookies. How do you know the vet he uses doesn't charge 300.00 for an inspection? How do any of you, who have never done any international shipping, know anything about it?

I know a little bit about it, I think. I did some exporting through brokers over the years, and in cases where vet certificates were needed, that had to be done within a VERY SHORT time before the shipment took place. Something like 48 hours, if I recall correctly. So unless that has changed dramatically, my impression is that the shipment of the tegu to Simon was NOT scheduled to take place within that window needed for a veterinarian inspection. Therefore, regardless of the actual cost, the expense associated with that inspection most likely had not taken place in this instance. Obviously it would be foolish to do such an inspection MONTHS before the actual shipment took place.

 

[Wilomn]

I know a little bit about it, I think. I did some exporting through brokers over the years, and in cases where vet certificates were needed, that had to be done within a VERY SHORT time before the shipment took place. Something like 48 hours, if I recall correctly. So unless that has changed dramatically, my impression is that the shipment of the tegu to Simon was NOT scheduled to take place within that window needed for a veterinarian inspection. Therefore, regardless of the actual cost, the expense associated with that inspection most likely had not taken place in this instance. Obviously it would be foolish to do such an inspection MONTHS before the actual shipment took place.

This is true, and I know it first hand.

However, were it I who were shipping this lizard I would not be enthusiastic about fronting for any costs and would, most likely, get them up front. I'm not much for fronting for prospective customers. In the past, with shipping, I have simply given a quote I knew to be high then refunded the difference when shipping. This was local, as I have not personally shipped internationally. Seems a prudent man would not be out of line doing the same for inspections and permits and whatnot. I'm pretty sure that no one, not even the almighty john schmidt, knows what Bobby WOULD have done had this deal been completed.

I'd still like a little more from Bobby.

 

[Ameivaboy]

We've got two old cauldron stirrers who, I think, don't even KEEP reptiles anymore, a guy in Fla. who has had personal issues with Bobby forever, another guy out here who, when he was a kid was a first class jerk (he has changed a LOT, but he and Bobby had many many words)

I suppose I'm the first class jerk lol - I'm ok with that.

For the record, I not only sell/breed reptiles for the export company I work for - I also keep and breed reptiles in my personal life as well (viva lacertids!)

I actually spoke to Bobby on the phone a few days ago - and while we are on OK terms with each other now - I still stand by everything I stated in this thread and I told Bobby I don't agree with how he's handled the situation - but it's his choice to handle it how he wishes

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

This is true, and I know it first hand.

However, were it I who were shipping this lizard I would not be enthusiastic about fronting for any costs and would, most likely, get them up front. I'm not much for fronting for prospective customers. In the past, with shipping, I have simply given a quote I knew to be high then refunded the difference when shipping. This was local, as I have not personally shipped internationally. Seems a prudent man would not be out of line doing the same for inspections and permits and whatnot. I'm pretty sure that no one, not even the almighty john schmidt, knows what Bobby WOULD have done had this deal been completed.

I'd still like a little more from Bobby.

Half hearted "almighty" barb ignored Wes, what difference does it make if the transaction was completed or not? If the funds were collected and not used for the purpose intended, the buyer deserves them back.

I too would like to hear an explanation from Mr. Hill.

I do find it interesting that your normal M.O. in a thread of this sort is to repeatedly ask the same questions over and over if they are not answered. You are well known to be relentless in situations like this. While I did not always agree with your methods I can't deny that they were, quite often, effective.

That's why I find this line from your earlier post somewhat perplexing

Bobby owes no one anything. If he, or any of you, chooses NOT to give out penny by penny expense accounts, it's his business and if you don't like it, tough cookies

So far Bobby has not offered any actual information. He simply came out snotty and defensive. Something that usually shifts you into high "Let's Lynch The Bad Guy" mode.


Apparently your friends are exempt from such tactics when they so blatantly commit what plainly seems to be a dishonest act.

 

[Wilomn]

So far Bobby has not offered any actual information. He simply came out snotty and defensive. Something that usually shifts you into high "Let's Lynch The Bad Guy" mode.


Apparently your friends are exempt from such tactics when they so blatantly commit what plainly seems to be a dishonest act.

ASSume all you like, you never were much good for anything else.


Kevin, maybe you missed it, but I spoke of your bratty behavior as being in the past. You have changed. mr. schmidt has not.

No one has ever OWED me anything here. The fact that so many have complied with my wishes does, indeed, validate them insofar as this site is concerned. It works. What have you done again that works as well as often mr. schmidt?

Hopefully Bobby will either satisfy my request or tell me to take a hike. Either one will, for me, initiate the next step I take, should I take one at all, to get to the bottom of this.

 

[WebSlave]

ASSume all you like, you never were much good for anything else.


Kevin, maybe you missed it, but I spoke of your bratty behavior as being in the past. You have changed. mr. schmidt has not.

No one has ever OWED me anything here. The fact that so many have complied with my wishes does, indeed, validate them insofar as this site is concerned. It works. What have you done again that works as well as often mr. schmidt?

Hopefully Bobby will either satisfy my request or tell me to take a hike. Either one will, for me, initiate the next step I take, should I take one at all, to get to the bottom of this.

Warning: Seriously Wes, do you just LIKE getting banned from this site? What is it about my wishes to clean up this site that you just seem to not be able to comprehend? The next infraction you get will ban you for a YEAR from this site. Is that the path you really want to take now?

 

[LauraB]

Hiding behind skirts? Really? Do you suppose he ASKED Tere if he could hide behind her skirts?

Who knows if he asked or not? It's irrelevent, as is the insult you made about her wearing skirts. The fact is, she posted emails, including the partial refund, that were privately sent between Bobby and Simon only one day after Simon posted this thread .. nearly one year after the money was transferred to Bobby and the transaction had been started. She posted emails on his behalf that Bobby himself should have/could have posted himself. The fact is, he did not post until Tere was questioned why she was posting in the first place. Being aquainted with the facts of human nature, I (and the others you called out) couldn't help but wonder why Tere was posting those emails instead of Bobby.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1447462#post1447462

Being aquainted with the facts of human nature, I can't help but wonder why you are here and he is not.

Those were your words back in April of this year when someone appeared to be defending the subject of a bad-guy thread. You get it now? You wondered ... we wondered.

And what's with all this speculating about his personal life and his animals and his ego?
IS there something we don't know Bobby?

Uh, yeah. It could be personal and that is exactly WHY there is speculation (NOT claims) and yeah, something we don't know. It could be personal which is why Tere was posting on his behalf and why he attempted to deflect blame onto his exporter, who he claimed he paid for 5 other orders besides the OP's. But was too busy to follow up on? Below is Bobby's gracious refund email to Simon.

"There I gave you your request, now just go away and do not ever contact me about a tegu again. I still have not heard a word from my exporter, I paid him for five orders besides yours.
Thanks, Bobby Hill, Owner,
http://www.varnyard-herps-inc.com/
http://www.tegusforsale.com/"

I guess Bobby didn't even have the time over the course of that year to contact and maintain communication with his exporter either.
I betcha if it was his own money out of his own pocket he'd know exactly was was going on. You and I would, I'm certain of that.

I'd still like a little more from Bobby

Really? So would Mr. Murphy. Apparently Bobby does not wish to provide a little more, in explanation or refund, to his customer.
That fact seemed rather evident after the 4 posts Bobby made (on page 5) and the puny little partial refund Bobby made only one day after Mr. Murphy came here and posted.

Frankly, whatever Bobby wishes to divulge here or through any mouthpiece or friend is not important. What IS important is that the customer ordered and paid for a tegu. Bobby did not maintain communication nor provide the tegu or a refund of money the customer paid up front after one year. It's simple. Chickens were counted before they were hatched and the clutch fell waay short ... money was taken in good faith and the goods were not delivered in a timely manner. A refund with a detailed accounting of what was actually spent by Bobby is in order. THAT'S the way professional business people conduct themselves. Somehow I think you certainly would not want it any other way if YOU were the dude that had spent the cash upfront.

Hopefully Bobby will either satisfy my request or tell me to take a hike. Either one will, for me, initiate the next step I take, should I take one at all, to get to the bottom of this.

Huh? What? Seriously? You lash out at everyone who has posted here defending Bobby's customer with insults and veiled name-calling and then imply you will be a judge of what steps will be taken if you do not get a satisfactory response from Bobby Hill? Geez, talk about ego.

 

[Wilomn]

Who knows if he asked or not? It's irrelevent, as is the insult you made about her wearing skirts. The fact is, she posted emails, including the partial refund, that were privately sent between Bobby and Simon only one day after Simon posted this thread .. nearly one year after the money was transferred to Bobby and the transaction had been started. She posted emails on his behalf that Bobby himself should have/could have posted himself. The fact is, he did not post until Tere was questioned why she was posting in the first place. Being aquainted with the facts of human nature, I (and the others you called out) couldn't help but wonder why Tere was posting those emails instead of Bobby.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1447462#post1447462

Those were your words back in April of this year when someone appeared to be defending the subject of a bad-guy thread. You get it now? You wondered ... we wondered.



Uh, yeah. It could be personal and that is exactly WHY there is speculation (NOT claims) and yeah, something we don't know. It could be personal which is why Tere was posting on his behalf and why he attempted to deflect blame onto his exporter, who he claimed he paid for 5 other orders besides the OP's. But was too busy to follow up on? Below is Bobby's gracious refund email to Simon.

"There I gave you your request, now just go away and do not ever contact me about a tegu again. I still have not heard a word from my exporter, I paid him for five orders besides yours.
Thanks, Bobby Hill, Owner,
http://www.varnyard-herps-inc.com/
http://www.tegusforsale.com/"

I guess Bobby didn't even have the time over the course of that year to contact and maintain communication with his exporter either.
I betcha if it was his own money out of his own pocket he'd know exactly was was going on. You and I would, I'm certain of that.


Really? So would Mr. Murphy. Apparently Bobby does not wish to provide a little more, in explanation or refund, to his customer.
That fact seemed rather evident after the 4 posts Bobby made (on page 5) and the puny little partial refund Bobby made only one day after Mr. Murphy came here and posted.

Frankly, whatever Bobby wishes to divulge here or through any mouthpiece or friend is not important. What IS important is that the customer ordered and paid for a tegu. Bobby did not maintain communication nor provide the tegu or a refund of money the customer paid up front after one year. It's simple. Chickens were counted before they were hatched and the clutch fell waay short ... money was taken in good faith and the goods were not delivered in a timely manner. A refund with a detailed accounting of what was actually spent by Bobby is in order. THAT'S the way professional business people conduct themselves. Somehow I think you certainly would not want it any other way if YOU were the dude that had spent the cash upfront.


Huh? What? Seriously? You lash out at everyone who has posted here defending Bobby's customer with insults and veiled name-calling and then imply you will be a judge of what steps will be taken if you do not get a satisfactory response from Bobby Hill? Geez, talk about ego.

I think you may have misinterpreted.

There was no insult to Tere. If you perceived one then my attempt at humor failed.

As far as the rest, in essence you are correct. However, I, personally, just me, need a little more from Bobby, who can be a bit of a firecracker, before I condemn him. I put my comment out in public because I believe Bobby, hopefully, will either realize that he has made an error, which would then be reconciled, or he would put up his reasoning. At THAT point, when I know why he took this course, I would decide if my faith in Bobby was well placed or misplaced.

My ego is large, but your view is, I think, skewed. This is not typical of the Bobby I knew. IF it is typical of Bobby now, which is why I posted my thought, which you misinterpreted as, I think, my saying that I would then decide the outcome of this debate.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. For clarity, I meant that I, just me, would then decide what I, just me, would do about Bobby, either side with him if I agree with his reasoning or explain to him why I disagree in the hopes of then getting him, should it be warranted, to agree with me.

laura, you seem to think that Bobby is in the wrong. I'm leaning that way too, but, since he is a friend and not some slimy guy hawking shoddy snakes, I'm looking for a bit more than has been presented here. You all may be ready with the hammers and nails, but I'm not quite there yet.

Hopefully that clears up any confusion I may have caused to you who are more accustomed to me going on the offense than defense.

 

[rosebud945]

As far as the rest, in essence you are correct. However, I, personally, just me, need a little more from Bobby, who can be a bit of a firecracker, before I condemn him. I put my comment out in public because I believe Bobby, hopefully, will either realize that he has made an error, which would then be reconciled, or he would put up his reasoning. At THAT point, when I know why he took this course, I would decide if my faith in Bobby was well placed or misplaced.

Wes, Bobby did make a statement, and as a completely unbiased reader here, I think your friendship with him is clouding your judgement or you would see what the rest of us see very clearly. I don't know Bobby, so my perspective was completely unbiased when I started reading this thread. I feel bad for the OP and I think that Bobby has made his attitude loud and clear by what he has said and what he hasn't. His silence is as potent as this statement that indicates that he has washed his hands of this conflict.

"There I gave you your request, now just go away and do not ever contact me about a tegu again. I still have not heard a word from my exporter, I paid him for five orders besides yours.
Thanks, Bobby Hill, Owner,
http://www.varnyard-herps-inc.com/
http://www.tegusforsale.com/"

Simon should have been given a full refund. As far as I can see, none of his money was used appropriately by the seller. We have enough evidence here to prove that much. We have nothing to counter that evidence in any of the responses that Bobby did post.

Wes, how long will you wait for another response from Bobby before you come to a conclusion about how he has treated this customer?

 

[RJK890]

I only have one thing to say about this. I REALLY wish Critical Bill was still here. He would get to the bottom of this. No one could handle these situations quite like good old Chuck.

Warning: Seriously Wes, do you just LIKE getting banned from this site? What is it about my wishes to clean up this site that you just seem to not be able to comprehend? The next infraction you get will ban you for a YEAR from this site. Is that the path you really want to take now?

If Chuck were still on this side of the flowers, I think he just may be banned from this site.
Chucks posting was a lot more confrontational then the post that earned Wes this Warning.

Obviously Bobby is not going to do the right thing on his own accord, and everyone talking smack about him being a "Bad Guy" is not going to push him in that direction either.
He is stubborn.
That approach will just make him take the "me against the world" stance.

Wes was posting as a "friend," and letting Bobby know that he felt that Bobby was not handling this issue in the "Good Guy" way that the Bobby Hill we all know and love ( ) would.
Obviously, there is not more to this story or Bobby would have posted that info and gave the justifiable reasoning for which he has decided to scam, err... I mean charge Simon, instead of posting the temper tantrum that he did.

Maybe if a few people that Bobby considers friends, and "Good Guys," were to post as Wes has, and let Bobby know that he is handling this transaction improperly, he may reconsider his own decisions and do the right thing in the end.
I doubt it, but just maybe.

 

[Suncoast Herpetological]

ASSume all you like, you never were much good for anything else.


Kevin, maybe you missed it, but I spoke of your bratty behavior as being in the past. You have changed. mr. schmidt has not.

No one has ever OWED me anything here. The fact that so many have complied with my wishes does, indeed, validate them insofar as this site is concerned. It works. What have you done again that works as well as often mr. schmidt?

Hopefully Bobby will either satisfy my request or tell me to take a hike. Either one will, for me, initiate the next step I take, should I take one at all, to get to the bottom of this.

No assumptions there Wess. I simply read yours and Bobby's posts for what they are. The conclusions drawn were obvious not only to me but to the subsequent posters.

Look back at the last ten years or so Wess. I have done a fair job of outing the baddies too and I managed to do it without a sledgehammer and being banned for name calling and abuse more often than not.

 

[Wilomn]

Wes, how long will you wait for another response from Bobby before you come to a conclusion about how he has treated this customer?

Bobby hasn't responded to me at all. I'll give him more than a few hours.

I admit disappointment, but I also admit that Bobby doesn't owe me squat in the way of an explanation.

As was pointed out by one of the more astute, and thank you by the way, members, I was posting as Bobby's friend to hopefully nudge Bobby into either giving a really good reason for the partial refund, make the refund, or pretty much flat out declare that this was his way of handling problems now, which will affect the way I think of him. I'm hopeful I won't have to change his status on my MindFriend List. It's already pretty short, each loss is serious and it's not easy to get on.

My lack of clarity to some is completely my fault. When I write in a manner meant to be understood, to be clear to the reader, and that reader, or some of the more vociferous ones at any rate, do not understand, the problem is not in their comprehension, as a rule, but in my writing. This is uncommon, but, obviously, not unheard of.

 

[LauraB]

I think you may have misinterpreted.
There was no insult to Tere. If you perceived one then my attempt at humor failed.

If you intended no insult, then yes, I misinterpreted.

My ego is large, but your view is, I think, skewed. This is not typical of the Bobby I knew. IF it is typical of Bobby now, which is why I posted my thought, which you misinterpreted as, I think, my saying that I would then decide the outcome of this debate.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. For clarity, I meant that I, just me, would then decide what I, just me, would do about Bobby, either side with him if I agree with his reasoning or explain to him why I disagree in the hopes of then getting him, should it be warranted, to agree with me.

Thank you for clarifying.

laura, you seem to think that Bobby is in the wrong.

You are correct. Given what information has been provided and given Bobby's responses to this situation, I do believe he has not acted in the most professional or ethical manner. At this time, I believe Simon Murphy may well be due much more than a $500.00 refund.

 

[Irish-SiMurphy]

I have just seen all these recent posts now.

I find the way i was treated in this matter to be the worst service i have ever encountered, When ordering i received one email after another from Mr.Hill without any delay... I even missed the bank on the friday i was due to order and got an email from Mr.Hill asking " Had i changed my mind" once i had put the money through it was all very different in terms of response.

Had mr.hill kept in contact and kept within a reasonable timeframe this matter would never have become public knowledge... It truly was a last resort.

As for the current situation i still feel i am owed significantly more than i was returned..

If Mr.Hill had any concern for his reputation then i think he should have dealt with this in a far more professional manner.

Calling everyone "Trolls" and attacking people is no way to conduct yourself

 

[Keys & Kritterz]

Found this kinda funny http://www.ripoffreport.com/pet-shops-supplies/wes-pollock/wes-pollock-wilomn-wesley-poll-a6dc7.htm


Sorry to get off topic

 

[DragonTailz]

Wow....this issue is still going on with Mr. Hill even after last year's fiasco? Was gonna reserve a tegu, but the rant totally turned me off dude. Customers may not ALWAYS be right, but as a seller you treat them like they are. Dang.

 

[Fangthane]

Wow....this issue is still going on with Mr. Hill even after last year's fiasco? Was gonna reserve a tegu, but the rant totally turned me off dude...

You mean this thread isn't Bobby's only 'epic fail'?! Care to share whatever you may know, with the rest of us?

 

[Skiploder]

Found this kinda funny http://www.ripoffreport.com/pet-shops-supplies/wes-pollock/wes-pollock-wilomn-wesley-poll-a6dc7.htm


Sorry to get off topic

Filing a false report under Rich Z's name and making false accusations seeking to defame Wes after stalking him on several forums and threatening his family = funny?

No.

Just wondering whether you read the full report where the real Rich Z. chimes in, or whether you did a search on Wes Pollock after reading his comments on this thread, scanned the headline and thought it would be fun to throw it out there and see who bit.

Which was it?

 

[AbsoluteApril]

This thread is about Bobby Hill.. stay on topic.