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Bad Guy VEILEDS @YAHOO.COM ARE VERY BAD STAY CLEAR

steve

who you refering to brother to your self Steve Schindler
Tropical Oasis
add to the list ? you got me you want to be included ok you are
wallshaker
 
For Wallshaker:
Add me to your list of do not deal withs, I would be happy to be on it!! Judging by the way you have handled this so far, I wouldn't want any dealings with you. I have never done business with Steve Lieber seeing as I took the time to research them before I purchased from them. Do yourself a favor and read several other boi threads and see how they are layed out! Use them as a template, or else your method with the boi will just cause problems for you in the future. Just looking at how recent your join date is, maybe your just not familiar enough with how things work. Just my 2 cents. Jeff
 
Calm down and try to explain yourself a bit better. No reason to attack everyone else on this thread, we're just trying to see where you're coming from and exactly what happened. Just take a step back and see what we're asking before going off on a different tangent.

The only way you're going to explain yourself properly is to post the proof; emails or pms or something of the like, to help us see where you're coming from.

No on is trying to persecute you, we're just trying to understand. So help us out and give us the information that we're requesting before you start off on griping out the members here who are just trying to see your side of things.
 
Ill add u to my list

This to the last post iam not worried what you think been on here along time jim its just i had to start a new handle no its not becuase of trouble just had computer issue and movement issues . dont have a problem wirth you jim but sounds like your on the side of a scammer its not steve lieber is steve vittigo or something close to that . i am not worried or concerned if you put me on your list mabye you shouldnt post on some ones boi when there heated with your comments that really dont add up to nothing.
 
No ones on a side of a scammer man its just the way you respond to basic things asked here and the hostility leave people with a bad impression of u .Just relax and calm down.
 
this goes to msytick the other post is to the other guy before you just dont think it s to you i would post info if i had it but my computer crashed and had to get anohter unit dont have any thing on here from the tansactions but what i say is true beware of the names given
i am going off so no ne else trys to hammer the wallshaker and this is for show me just click on my handle thats how you get int my page. going off now oh yeah webslave thanks for not banning the wallshaker your the greatest!
wallshaker
 
wallshaker said:
but sounds like your on the side of a scammer
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keepem coming guys your all great!

the more posts the longer this bad ole boi stays up . thanks for all the help guys again thanks to that great webslave for not banning me. show me just click on my handle and youll see pics or should see pics. if you want to post go AHEAD THIS STAYS UP TOP LONGER ON THE HEADER JUST STAY OFF MY BACKSIDE REMEMBER THIS IS FOR BUYERS AND TRADERS NOT PEOPLE THAT DONT LIKE MY GRAMMER OR STRUCTURE . if you got a bone to pick or your panties are in a bunch please post it some where else like private. or better yet just dont post at all if its against wallshaker
its been real guys kep breeding them big ole lizards. show me and mystick your the best and thank you for not jumping on my wagon!
bye bye
 
wow, talk about gettin off ont he wrong foot. the only reason why any one asks you to post any info you have in bad guy threads is so everyone can see what exactly what you went through. yeah they have a bad rep and i have read every single one of them from front to back but that doesn't mean it doesn't help anyone else know what exactly you went through or for how long. goodness knows that i still have e-mails and pms from the first person i bought a bearded dragon from when i first got here. i don't need them anymore because every one i have bought turned out steller. but if you have the info then you can post it. it is better to keep everything up in front from the beginning than just make a rant. if you wanted to rant and not want people to ask for proof then you should have posted it as a warning not a bad guy.

besides, anything that helps your case, such as e-mails you guys wrote, is just going to make you look better and them worst.

i will tell you what, after all the bad guy bois that have been posted about veiled no one is on their side.

so please relax.
 
Since you have been around for a long time and know how things work on the boi, wouldn't it make common sense that you would be asked for proof after making a bad guy claim without any listed proof. I understand the claim is about a known bad guy, but that is not proof enough. But then again you should know this since you have been around for a long time. Jeff
 
sage spyder is ok

Hi sage i would post the info but i dont have it my computer crashed and i had to get other unit . if i had the info it would go up on here but guess ill just take the bad with the bad. you know what i mean you sound like you might have some sense but ill tell ya theres been a few on here that are either in with the scammers or they like to mess with hot heads trying to straighting them out they think. I know in reality ill never get the money or lizards so really it dont make any differnce whats said i just want some buyers and traders to stay clear of these guys. yeah i was ignorant to the fact people like this exist i really thought every one in the world was human but thats not the case. there are people waiting to get the best of you and i really was stupid to that fact and i will admit it. as far as what some of these guys are coming on here and jumping in like there some one they Must be out to get people like me that get took but thats ok i wont let em get me again and that i mean for sure
bye bye
 
wallshaker said:
if you want to post go AHEAD THIS STAYS UP TOP LONGER ON THE HEADER JUST STAY OFF MY BACKSIDE REMEMBER THIS IS FOR BUYERS AND TRADERS NOT PEOPLE THAT DONT LIKE MY GRAMMER OR STRUCTURE . if you got a bone to pick or your panties are in a bunch please post it some where else like private. or better yet just dont post at all if its against wallshaker
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So you think because you started the thread you get to dictate who can respond and what they can say? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
When you post on the BOI you open yourself up to scrutiny as much as the person you are posting about. If you have a legitimate claim, supported by proof then you will find support here.
So far you have made claims, in multiple redundant and unnecessary threads, and provided nothing whatsoever in the way of evidence.
Given the track record Steve has, I tend to believe you to a point, but with zero evidence you can't possibly expect complete strangers to take you at your word on the internet.
And to actually forbid/demand that people who question you not post at all is ludicrous.
 
clay daven port

Hey you post what you want and ill post what i want . just remeber clay when you jump into this with your two cents you expose your self and your either with me or against me i hope its with me because i would hate the fact the you defend the scammers or whatever you want to call the so called reptile sellers . if anything is ludricous its you jumping in on a hot headed boi thinking your some body. your not no one to me so maybe you should go back where you came from and i mean that with all respect buddy
 
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Hey you post what you want and ill post what i want . just remeber clay when you jump into this with your two cents you expose your self and your either with me or against me i hope its with me because i would hate the fact the you defend the scammers or whatever you want to call the so called reptile sellers . if anything is ludricous its you jumping in on a hot headed boi thinking your some body. your not no one to me so maybe you should go back where you came from and i mean that with all respect buddy
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He *is* somebody, dude. Go back to the main screen of the BOI, scroll all the way down, look to the right, and see he's one of the moderators here. Probably not the person you want to be mouthing off to.
 
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Hey you post what you want and ill post what i want . just remeber clay when you jump into this with your two cents you expose your self and your either with me or against me i hope its with me because i would hate the fact the you defend the scammers or whatever you want to call the so called reptile sellers . if anything is ludricous its you jumping in on a hot headed boi thinking your some body. your not no one to me so maybe you should go back where you came from and i mean that with all respect buddy
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Actually no, I don't have to be either with you or against you. I can just as easily be against both you and Steve. Based on your actions on this site today that is the case.
Nothing in what I said could in any way be interpreted to be defending Steve. The truth is he made my do not buy from list LONG before you ever posted here.
Your statements, being supported by no facts whatsoever, had nothing to do with it.

As far as me being somebody, I am somebody, just as every other person participating on this site is somebody, somebody who may at some point be considering doing business with you.
Your rambling nonsensical rants and repeated insistence of how Steve is a bad guy while offering absolutely nothing to support your case doesn't in any way cause me or anyone else to be inclined to engage in a business transaction with you.

Steve had a bad name here before you started. Your incessant ranting has done nothing to perpetuate that, but has caused you to be considered someone to think twice about dealing with as well.

Claiming you are "high strung" and referring to this as a "hot headed thread", whatever that means, does not excuse your comments toward other established and respected members. Knowing the membership here, you have already done more damage to your own reputation than you have to Steve's already terrible one.
 
wallshaker said:
Hey you post what you want and ill post what i want . just remeber clay when you jump into this with your two cents you expose your self and your either with me or against me i hope its with me because i would hate the fact the you defend the scammers or whatever you want to call the so called reptile sellers . if anything is ludricous its you jumping in on a hot headed boi thinking your some body. your not no one to me so maybe you should go back where you came from and i mean that with all respect buddy
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I'm against you - and it's got nothing to do your transaction with the company in question. Nobody cares that you are fired up, or that you're a hot head....or, at this point, that you may have gotten screwed on your deal. Your juvenile rants have set the stage, and I think most people are just counting the posts to see when you get banned. (I think there's actually a pool going on, but Clay and I aren't allowed to participate in that).
 
wallshaker said:
Hey you post what you want and ill post what i want . just remeber clay when you jump into this with your two cents you expose your self and your either with me or against me i hope its with me because i would hate the fact the you defend the scammers or whatever you want to call the so called reptile sellers . if anything is ludricous its you jumping in on a hot headed boi thinking your some body. your not no one to me so maybe you should go back where you came from and i mean that with all respect buddy
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clays a mod man , seriously no one here is against you , just think of it like this , someone with no proof shows up and post , then gives attitude when asked for proof and goes all anti social with"your with me or against me " thing.Were just trying to help you post your side in a coherent form here .
 
btw, wallshaker - there is a PM from me in your inbox awaiting a response.
 
clay daven port

This was a post for and about me being scammed and i have been around a long time and what differnece does that make clay you think i am a 16 year old kid. not so i am probably older then you and yes i realize your a moderater but i dont think i am going out of my way by the things ive said well maybe some. if i had the info clay i would post it . my computer crashed and i had to get other unit. i dont have it in for you or any body working this site except steve and his side kicks . i just want this info to be realeased and not held back thats what i think when i see people coming in and saying this or that about steve. the truth is steve plays many roles and you never know what role he will be playing or whose name he is using it is just a reminder to me that this world is not perfect and it is full of people like steve. i am honest and work hard at trying to please people . me and steve were actually talking for a while but that all vansihed i am posting this to you and all that i have made a little upset with my actions and choice of words so my deepest thoughts goes to you and every one on here that ive up set or made angry over me being ripped off. sincerely wallshaker
 
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