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Vince, selling leopard geckos

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He is a fraud, and I wouldnt do any buisiness with this guy. He doesnt even know the meanings of the supposed morphs he is trying to sell the leopard geckos as. He was asked about it, and said " i dont know the defenition". How can he be selling reptiles he cant even classify???? I wouldnt personally trust this guy. I wouldnt even believe any pics you saw, from talking to him, it seems like he doesnt know anything about them, and he probably just took the pics from a website.
Mike.
 
This guy is crazy

He was going nuts in some chat room claiming I was over chargeing. I have done bussiness on this site befor buddy and have traded geckos and have feed back to prove it. my photos are genuine and there is no need for you to post this false slander against me. I do not false advertise and have pictures to back up every thing I am trying to sell. and please everyone take his post for what its worth , he is childishly badmouthing me. becuse he was upset about the price I am trying to sell my geckos for. im sorry he had to waste space on the BOI. and please show some proof that I am stealing pictures off of websites or proof of anything else that you wrongfuly accused me of, people like you give the herp bussiness a bad name.
 
4 OF THE 5 GECKOS HAVE SKINNY TAILS, MEANING THEY ARE UNDERFED. ONE HAS A STUB TAIL, WHICH YOU CLAIM IS FULLY REGENERATED, YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR, ALL THOSE GECKOS ARE UNDERWEIGHT, AND PLAIN NORMAL, EXCEPT FOR ONE PATTERNLESS. DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY FROM THIS CREEP!!!!
 
stop the slander

these geckos are heatly and eating like crazy , they are comeing out of a hibernation period. to stimulate breeding. I have over 30 geckos and none are under feed or sick. I have pictures to back all of this up, email for pics as there are to big to post. and please check out my feedback and the compliments about my leopard geckos. your attempts to claim me as a fraud and creep are baseless. i beg you show some proof. come on why would you try to tarnish the little reputation i have. I am just a small breeder/hobbyist , trying to make a little extra christmas money by selling off a few of my breeders. this is un called for.
 
Also, he is advertising as jungles, they are normals, I have seen the pics, and have shown them to many fellow herpers, who all agree, there are 2 that are underweight, and they are not jungles, they are purely normals, not a luecistic either, as you described the patternless to me. This guy was a barrell full of lies. He told me the tail was fully regenerated, it is halfway there tops. He hasnt told me one straight, or turthful answer, Id steer clear.
 
dude end this, i have pics to back up my posts. my geckos arent sick or under weight to the point that it would affect there heath. come on everything your saying means nothing with no proof. some one let me know how to modify a picture so that it will fit and everyone can see they geckos in question.
 
Mike,

You need to post your FULL name or this post is just going to get deleted by the Webslave.

Also, since you have seen the pics of these geckos, could you post the pics so we can see them?
 
I got one of the pictures...

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geckos where sold to a happy buyer that is not a part of the fauna community at the price of 175.00. I will have another breeding group up for sale in a few weeks that way there is no gawkers claiming under weight. as many people told me in the aol chat room for reptiles that these are not jungles rather they are high yellow a mistake on my part as i did not know the rule of the jungle phase that the tail has to have a pattern. this info has been passed on to the buyer. and i hope all of this none sence does not affect any future bussiness. like i said befor i am jus a hobbyst not a big time jobber. sorry for the jungle/highyellow mix up. ill make sure to request the rules from tremper or one of those big breeders.
 
4 OF THE 5 GECKOS HAVE SKINNY TAILS, MEANING THEY ARE UNDERFED. ONE HAS A STUB TAIL, WHICH YOU CLAIM IS FULLY REGENERATED, YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR, ALL THOSE GECKOS ARE UNDERWEIGHT, AND PLAIN NORMAL, EXCEPT FOR ONE PATTERNLESS. DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY FROM THIS CREEP!!!!
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Although the geckos in question don't look as fat as mine do (I feed mine a lot:), they do not look skinny to the point of being diseased or anything. They look like geckos that have been in brumation for a couple of months. Also, the patternless shown in the picture does have a fully regenerated tail, they just look funky like that when there is no pattern on the tail. Just my 2 cents.;)
 
I agree with you Kelli. I am also always amazed when people get mad at you for the prices you charge on YOUR property. If you don't like the price, then don't buy it. But to openly complain about a guys prices is just plain rude. I say get what you can for the animal, it's yours to sell for goodness sake.
 
I'm not a Gecko man, and I was wondering why the tail looks the way it does.
 
thank you ken and kelli, i cant belive someone tryd to bad mouth me like this. and greg when a leopard gecko losses its tail it usely grows back abnormaly and the tail kind of looks like that of a fat tail gecko. its totaly natural.


I am glad i am getting support on this, i think The guy who started this thread was just in the mood for some good old fashioned bad mouthing.

I would never try to sell something without a photo to back it up
and I would never buy something with out a photo.

and its sad that the level of trust is gone, but the internet can be a dangerous place and you should always make sure you are getting what you have payd for. and this bord does a good job of weeding out some of the bad guys. and im happy to see that those of you who are honest and not shooting off false aligations havent labled me as a bad guy.

I am holding off posting my other gecko breeeding groups in order to get them to the peak of heath I do not want this to happen again.

and as far as price goes. this guy was saying up and down that he buys geckos like the ones i have for sale for 10 a peice off of kingsnake.com If i ever seen breeders like mine for 10 a peice I would be sure to buy a few and please send me a link to that breeders site, or give me an email adress I am interested in purchasing some.
 
I really dont think the issue is the price. I think the big problem was the misrepresentation. They were sold as jungles, which they clearly are not. I understand Ken when he says to get what you can for the animal, but Ken is not the type to sell something as something it is not. If it were in fact a group of jungles then it would have been fine to get that price for them, however they are not. It is possible that the buyer bought at the price because they thought that they were getting a deal on some jungles, not an average price on plain jane normals. I am not saying there is a big price difference between normals and jungles, but that they might not have been so eager to buy if the ad stated that they were normals.

The one below the regen does apear to be sickly thin, and most of them apear to have skin still attatched to their feet from bad sheds. There is also what looks like very runny stool in the picture. These are some of the things that were brought up in the AOL reptile chat that was mentioned earlier.
 
"There is also what looks like very runny stool in the picture"

that is a dead chricket. and the buyer has seen pictures of all the animals he has purchased. there was no missleading or false advertisement. and you should stop pointing fingers , these geckos are 100% heathy. if you dont like my "plane jane" geckos then dont buy them, simpal as that , just becuse you would not pay the asking price does not give you the right to bad mouth me or my geckos. im not comeing to this thread any more, and i hope if someone attacks me on here to the point i need to defend my self please email me and let me know about it. this is getting out of control.
 
i just have to say i do have another pictures of the geckos we are all talking about. and other views and better angles , they are to large to post but if you email i would be more then happy to show that these geckos are not and never had been in poor condition. if you think i am a bad guy or a scam artist please check my feedback. what is better then the actual statments mad by people who i have done bussiness with.
 
There you go with the price thing. I did not say the price was unfair, nor did I comment on whether or not the buyer was ok with the pictures once the truth came out about them not being jungles. I think this thread was started because of misrepresentation in the ad. You said yourself that you didn't know they were not jungles, and they are right in front of you. Maybe other potential buyers couldnt tell by the pics either, just by your word that they are jungles. Clearly that was a misstake, which is fine. I think you have done the right thing by sharing your side, and getting it out in the open, but I dont think that makes the original post less valid. Had the red flag not been seen by someone like Mike, then the buyer never would have been informed that they are not jungles. I look at it this way...If I can't sell it a year from now as what I bought it as only bigger, then its not something I need to buy. The buyer could not turn around later and sell them as jungles, and your ad did call them jungles. I am done for now.
 
in comparison

I've seen WC Leopard geckos before and in comparison to that the geckos in the picture looked mighty healthy to me. Exactly what I've seen in many peoples collections that cool down there geckos real well. If you think about it, those geckos might actually be healthier than a lot of the obviously overwieght geckos that are out there that we've gotten accustomed to seeing.
 
those geckos might actually be healthier than a lot of the obviously overwieght geckos that are out there that we've gotten accustomed to seeing.
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Great point John.
 
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