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Vince, selling leopard geckos

I definitely agree . . .

. . . on the weight issue. Too many leopard gecko breeders think that a huge kiester tail is healthy. I don't know if I agree at all. If anything, they are just fat tubs of goo.

Health is a lot more than just weight. And although I didn't take a real close look at those animals, they didn't look that bad to me either. Granted, the females didn't need a fork-lift to carry their tails, but it wasn't that bad.

I don't think that the negative post was warranted. In retrospect, it might have been better to not let your AOL chat Fight spill over onto the BOI.

Makes me have second thoughts about going on those sites. Yikes . . .
 
I am requesting that this thread be deleted, it was started becuse of one persons person dis like for me, he started this thread befor even seeing pictures of the animals in question , and that thread doesnt represent how i keep my animals or the condition of the animals i sell. I did no such false advertiseing and really think this guys name calling will hurt future bussiness or herp trades. the two deals i have done on fauna have went smooth and i couldnt of asked for better experanes. but this boi post was not calld for. i have done everything i can to defend my self against mud slingers. but if there is anything more i can do to make sure this whole thread gets trashed please i would like to know. and thanks for all the people in my support. the only people here bad mouthing me are the AOL chat room buddys. its pathetic guys really its getting you no where.
 
You've had a couple of respected names back you up. That speaks well for you. I wouldn't worry too much about this thread especially if you continue to do business as you say you have so far. Your name will get out there as someone who cares and keeps his animals well.

I don't think I've ever heard of anything good coming out of an aol chatroom.

Keep your cool and do right by your customers and this too will be known, making this thread pretty irrelevant.

You can't please everyone and to try is an exercise in futility.

Wes Pollock
 
I agree that this thread will not hurt you. As long as you do make people aware of anything that was wrong with the ads and they go through with it then there shouldnt be a problem. You have handled the situation well and that speaks volumes. Good luck with future sales.
 
Back to the original subject...

Looks like this strayed off topic a bit. I believe the original poster was well within his rights to post IMO. The question at hand wasn't the health of Vince's geckos, but the misrepresentation of said geckos.

Link to Vince's ad in TRADE section of Fauna

*note the date of the ad, and the date this thread started*

I have a few problems with the ad, first and formost just with the title. Now I suppose 'high end' is in the eye of the beholder, but a 1.4 group of geckos for $200 surely can't be considered 'high end'. I wouldn't really consider a single gecko at $200 'high end', but again I suppose that can be relative to the person. Next, if the pic posted here in this BOI thread is of the same group advertised in the Trade section, it's obvious there is some degree of 'mislabeling'. Although, the one Patternless does have some nice color, the rest of the geckos are no more than some nice high yellow/ normals. Now of course the trade ad could be an advertisment for a different 1.4 group of geckos, that also consists of 4 yellows and one Patternless than was shown in the pic, but sounds kind of the same to me.

As for the geckos in the picture and the health of, it is somewhat difficult to really get a good idea form just the one pic. It does seem some have some shed stuck to thier toes and a couple have thinner tails, but are by no means knocking on death's door. It is very true that just because a Leopard gecko has a super fat tail it doesn't nessacarily mean it's in perfect health. On the flip side of that coin, of course it also means that a Leopard with a thinner tail doesn't have to be sick. I think though everyone here would agree that if you were purchasing a Leopard from someone over the phone, sight unseen and the dealer says, ' I have one with a pretty fat tail and one with a pretty thin tail', I think we all know which one we would all choose. Not trying to stir things up just adding a few cents.....
Mike B.
 
Hmmm..

How about this, Vince? Email me pictures of the geckos you advertised yesterday? The rainbows het albino, patternless het albino etc.

I'd like to see them.:)

[email protected]
 
Mike B,
I think Vince stated that the geckos in the pic had already been sold and that he had another set up for sale.


He is a fraud,
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I do believe this statement right here is libel though. There is nothing here to suggest that Vince intentionally mislead anyone and I do believe he said he would or has informed the buyers of the mistake.
 
Vince stated that they had been sold, but this is an ad from the day that this was brought to the BOI. Vince has also stated that he wont be selling more until they are ready in a few weeks.
 
The 'Fraud" comment by the original poster was both wrong and uncalled for, I agree with that wholeheartedly. However the original poster wasn't far off base stating that Vince misrepresented the animals in the least. The ad in the trade section posted one day prior to this BOI thread coming up is interesting to some degree or another...

Mike B.
 
Hey everyone, I have removed all posts refuring to the phases of these geckos. I am just stateing these are leopard geckos up for sale. and i will send pictures to interested people and they can decided these geckos are what they are looking for.
 
i take full responsabilty if i miss represented this geckos as something they are not. but i did belive they where jungles and i did have a picture of ever singal gecko. it was not my intention to try and trick someone into buying normal leopard geckos by saying they where jungle or rainbow or whatever else . when putting these geckos up against the others i have there are some that are more "jungle" looking and there are more who are closer to normal looking. I also am happy to say i informed the buyer of this group about this board and he checked it out. i asked him to register and post on here. but he declind saying he has no interest in message bordes. and only looks threw classifieds to try and find good deals. but again sorry if i offend anyone buy calling these geckos by the wrong name. these kind of patterns dont meen much to me as a healthy gecko. but again sorry for the missunderstandings , i am new to this selling over the internet thing and im glad this firt guy started the thread, i will never make this mistake again. thank you to everyone who posted , i can learn alot from you guys who have been doing this for a long time. thanks. and i hope you all have a happy holiday.
 
I just want to state that I have nothing personal against you Vince, and only posted the link and my opinion as just that. The big issue here as the original poster pointed out, not so gracefully might I add, is the misrepresentation. The bigger issue would be wether the misrepresentation was intentional or not. If you posted them by mistake, then the 'phase names' must have come from somewhere, maybe the person who sold them to you labled them as such, and you just passed it on. Possibly you just thought that's what they were and it was purely a mistake. None of the above makes you a "bad guy" or a "fraud" at all, maybe a little uninformed but certainly not a fraud. On the other hand, if you came up with the names to 'spice up' the ad using words like 'high end', 'rainbow jungle', or 'het this or het that' then there is definitely a bigger issue...

Also now your last post reads....(sorry not so good with the quote thing).

"""""" I have removed all posts refuring to the phases of these geckos. I am just stateing these are leopard geckos up for sale. and i will send pictures to interested people and they can decided these geckos are what they are looking for.""""""""""

Yet just yesterday, you stated that they were sold and the buyer was notified of the mistake???

I'm not quite sure what to think at this point.....

Mike B.
 
Mike B

hey sorry for the confusion. I currently have 4 breeding groups that i am trying to sell off.

the first of witch , the ones that are pictured are sold. I do have others and i have 1 other patternless het albino with a regentail.
 
look at the 2nd picture. the caption says 1.4 jungle group. these look exactly like mine as far as pattern and color.
 
Vince,
The geckos in those pictures are not true Jungles either. Attached is a pic of a Jungle, note the unringed tail and neck bands.

Mike B.
 

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LoL i was wayyyyyyyyy off, that is a pretty damn good looking gecko. see i was just compairing my geckos with other that where for sale on kingsnake and fauna. i thought what i had where jungles and well they arent. but i still stand by that no part of anything i said was a scam or sceem to sucker people into buying normals. by the way what is the price tag on the gecko in the picture you posted. just for refrance. i have mine for sale at 45 each. but i shoot high on the price that way i have room for counter offers.
 
hey , i just finished checking out all the other posts on the BOI and i am amazed, it is so great how all you guys watch out for each other , and share all these experances. i hope in the future maybe i could get a nice email explaining what the problem is instead of getting slanderd on the message bordes, but what i was doing needed to be adressed , i hate to missrepresent my self . one of you big gecko guys should put together something explaing the "Standers" on all these morphs and phases. it seems like there are way to many differnt ones. and somepeople might need a more exact explanation of what exactly makes a phase a phase.
 
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