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Vision (1756) Racks

hhmoore

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Well, I've had one of these set up & in use for a few months now...and, frankly, I don't like it very much. Where to start...

I purchased 2 of the 1756 racks - these are the ones that use the 32 qt sterilites (it is the same rack as the one for the 15qt). No problem putting it together, but there was a bit of sway to it - even after everything was tightened down and the wheels locked. The boxes sit on the shelves, making them more similar in concept/function to an AP Economy Rack than ARS or FB.
They came with 1 package of heat rope per rack. My first shot at running the stuff left me at about halfway through the rack, and out of rope. Luckily, my intent for this trial was to utilize the rack in my main snake room. The room itself is about 84 degrees, so all I needed was enough to provide a hot spot for the BPs that would be housed in the boxes. As such, I ran a minimal amount on each shelf...and still didn't have enough for the whole thing. (No problem, I just put other things that didn't need supplemental heat on those shelves). For whatever reason, most of the balls housed in that rack became sporadic feeders (yeah, I understand that they are BPs, and the time of year...but these were my BEST feeders). OK, I can live with that, too. So far, the problems have been minimal, and nothing worthy of condemning the rack over...BUT:
I have now had 3 escapes from the rack (all found without difficulty) within 3 months. In each case, the BP managed to push the tub out - presumably using the shelf above for leverage - enough to make a getaway. There were escapes from both the 32qt and 15qt boxes.

My plan is to take my saw to the other rack, and cut a shallow channel in each shelf for heat tape. If I like that better, I will do it on the one currently in use. If I don't like it, I will pull the heat off entirely and use it for brumating my bullsnakes.

Overall, I am fairly disappointed with the new Vision racks. They certainly aren't horrible, and they are inexpensive; but if I had it to do again...I probably wouldn't - mainly because of the escapes.
 
Well, here we are, almost 2 weeks later, and I have had 2 more escapes from that rack. I ended up setting up the other rack with the heat cable today(I decided that I needed supplemental heat on a few possibly gravid critters, and that was the easiest option. Now, I have one with just 32qt boxes, the other with just 15s. The two racks side by side take up too much space in my snake room, and limits access to one of my monster racks :ack2:.
On the positive side, running the cable the way I did, I had enough for just about the whole rack (I was a little shy on the top shelf :shrug01: I'll check temps tomorrow to see if I am satisfied. I think I may end up cutting in some new channels for the cable, so I can put it where I want it (and I suspect that I will be able to decrease the risk of escapes by then adjusting the placement of the tubs).
 
Thanks for alerting me to this rack problem. I will stay with the black PVC racks with pins from other suppliers. I have some Sterilite #1754/1756 racks from Boaphile but they do not have restraining bolts/pins. Is there a simple way of making a hole and a pin for them?
 
Well, its just over a month later - and there have been a few more escapes.
Of all the complaints I have heard about these racks, I don't remember anybody else mentioning this...I must have a bunch of highly skilled escape artists (though, now that I think about it, one specific snake HAS gotten out at least twice - I think it is now 3 times, counting tonite. I think she just earned herself a different home)
 
No, I don't. It wouldn't serve as a heat source in an unheated room (at least not in the quantity supplied), but works ok...I really didn't have any problem getting the temperatures where I wanted them.
 
I have this rack (the 10 shelf 32qt model).
The heat cable it came with - I didn't even try to use it. I gave it to a friend.
I ran flexwatt heat tape. I'm currently using it for 5 Cal Kings and have 5 unused spaces (I haven't run heat tape in those 5 spots yet).

The smallest king in the rack is over 30 inches - so far, nobody has escaped. I would not use it for small snakes however.

I like the rack. It would be nice if I could buy it without heat cable though - I don't like the stuff.
 
I purchased one some months ago (11 levels). I am sorry, but I was extremely dissatisfied with the product and talking to a representative brought no satisfaction.

I had to purchase some more heat cable to be able to do the entire rack to my satisfaction (they gave me two 50 foot cables). My animals did not escape, but the humidity was so bad because of the wide open space (I don't have a temp controlled facility), that I GAVE it away (actually traded it for 3 Female BPs).

I just wanted to get rid of it, because it was taking up space and I couldn't trust it.
 
LOL - the battle continues. I'm not sure why I still use the damn things (yes I do - they're here).
I have had a few issues with bad sheds, but it is rare. Usually, I just dump the water bowl (in the tub) or soak them once the eyes clear. Escapes are still an issue. Since the last comment, I have had a Savu python, a bullsnake, and another ball get out. At least they are slowing down. :shrug01:
 
hhmoore said:
LOL - the battle continues. I'm not sure why I still use the damn things (yes I do - they're here).
I have had a few issues with bad sheds, but it is rare. Usually, I just dump the water bowl (in the tub) or soak them once the eyes clear. Escapes are still an issue. Since the last comment, I have had a Savu python, a bullsnake, and another ball get out. At least they are slowing down. :shrug01:

I give you PROPS for having that kind of patience. :yesnod: :rofl:

I believe in progress!! with these things....I even started using the Aspen in an effort to keep up the humidity!! ..and this is after having racks and being able to use butcher paper...talk about "steps back." One more reason for getting rid of the crap was: I really dislike bad sheds and do not want them soaking in water that may be stained with urine or feces (not saying that is what you do) because I am gone a good part of the day and while I am gone they would be in that mess if they had taken a dump or whiz while the water was in there.

Time is an issue, rather the LACK of time is an issue..so I try to have environments that are as care-free as I can get them. :rofl: (they never actually are..but I try!) (actually if someone could invent a small automatic vacuum the size of a paperweight..that could work similar to the automatic vaccuums that they are advertising that cleans your floor and carpet while you are gone..that WOULD be awesome (get cracking guys!)

I give you props...I "threw" them away..actually begged another breeder to come and get them so I could have room for more racks. The reason that I got them in the first place is because:

1. Lightweight (moving these reptilebasics, jj and boaphile are NO JOKE)
2. More snakes per rack
3. More space IN the rack without the additional tonnage (I planned to use them as my breeding spaces)

I was unable to use them because of the humidity issue..my snakes were too fat to get out...but I didn't use them long..I think 2 months before I gave up spraying everyday..checking humidity every day...loss of sleep..bad sheds... :angry: it wasn't good for my blood pressure. :NoNo:
 
Deb, It's too bad I didn't know. I would have driven down to baltimore...
I love these racks.
I only keep rosies so keeping humidity relatively low is what's important.
Harold, I've never had an escape...knock on wood.
My only real complaint is the lack of sufficient heat cable, but I found a very good deal a while back for several 39 footers on Ebay.
If you ever have more Vision racks(or Herpstat Pro's) to get rid of, I'll take 'em. :D
 
In my search for the PERFECT environment, I have had some bad buys! :)

I'll keep you in mind the next time I have a bad buy. I just donated my two beanfarm 4 foot cages, but kept the platform (I missed the auction, but gave them the next day) to the Chantilly Show because they didn't keep humidity like I needed. (after having them for a while the doors warped)
 
hhmoore said:
LOL - the battle continues. I'm not sure why I still use the damn things (yes I do - they're here).
I have had a few issues with bad sheds, but it is rare. Usually, I just dump the water bowl (in the tub) or soak them once the eyes clear. Escapes are still an issue. Since the last comment, I have had a Savu python, a bullsnake, and another ball get out. At least they are slowing down. :shrug01:
figured I should clarify - no snakes were actually LOST as a result of these escapes. The longest MIA (due to an escape from Vision) award goes to a BP that evaded me for 5 days despite (at least) daily searches. I am still not sure where the heck she could have been, because I turned that room upside down and shook it every time.
 
Lucky you. In this old farmhouse..if a snake got out, (2 escapes in 4 years when I was using tanks) I would be very lucky to find it...so far I have found them within an hour or more. I think I posted the story somewhere on Bob Clark, and again on Reptileforums..it was entertaining reading. lol

p.s you do know that the sight is the first thing to go? ;)
 
GRRRRR
A few more escapes from the Vision racks. The most recent (today) being a young woma. Took me a half hour to find her...she was in a different room (guess it is time to put that sweep on the door, lol)

Have I mentioned recently that I really don't like these racks? I've been having many more shed issues in them, too(guess I haven't been consistent about dumping the waterbowls :shrug01: ). I hate to say it, but I think it might be time to start rack shopping again.
 
hhmoore said:
GRRRRR
A few more escapes from the Vision racks. The most recent (today) being a young woma. Took me a half hour to find her...she was in a different room (guess it is time to put that sweep on the door, lol)

Have I mentioned recently that I really don't like these racks? I've been having many more shed issues in them, too(guess I haven't been consistent about dumping the waterbowls :shrug01: ). I hate to say it, but I think it might be time to start rack shopping again.

You mentioned taking your saw and cutting in a channel for heat tape. How did that go, any improvement?
 
I didn't bother...I have just adjusted the animals housed to deal with the available heat. The racks are still in a warm room, and I have some species that can deal with little to no supplemental heat in there. The issue is with the fact that the snakes are able to brace themselves against the top (?) and push the tubs out enough to escape.
I've lost track of the number at this point - it has to be pretty close to 20 "escapes" in about a year. I've also got 2 AP racks in use, plus the giant melamines, and I don't have these problems with them (as long as I don't do anything stupid, lol).
 
I was considering selling off all my melamine racks and switching over to two Vision 1756 models. After reading this, I am a bit shy about doing so. I have seen the Vision racks at many reptile shows and yes, upon first inspection, they appear flimsy.

I keep a large colony of Children's & Spotted pythons and wondering if anyone else has any opinions about this particular rack. Humidity wouldn't be an issue but the frequent escapes have me a little concerned. Any other people out there who have this rack?
 
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