• Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

  • IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! About the Google Adsense ads being displayed

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    Posted 08/15/2025
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    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

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    Addendum: 01/10/2026
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    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

Vote***financing Fauna***vote

***Funding Poll** What do YOU think is appropriate? (More than 1 OK)

  • A general use fee of $35/year, membership would be required to access site

    Votes: 18 8.4%

  • A membership fee of $10-25/yr. to access the BOI

    Votes: 32 15.0%

  • $35/yr. general membership fee but BOI/classified free

    Votes: 23 10.7%

  • Increased advertising fees and fees for all advertising

    Votes: 80 37.4%

  • I don't care

    Votes: 7 3.3%

  • If there were a membership fee, I would not visit Fauna

    Votes: 74 34.6%

  • I have no concept of economics, I did not realize it costs money to run a website like this

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • After seeing how hard Webslave works to maintain this site, I want to help

    Votes: 38 17.8%

  • Increase fines

    Votes: 46 21.5%

  • I have other ideas for funding which I have listed below in my post.

    Votes: 26 12.1%
  • Total voters
    214
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Amanda - yeah you should have read the entire thread....
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Yeah, I totally should have read it. But you know how it is, one minute you start reading a thread, the next minute it's 2am and you have to work the next day... I didn't want to fall into that trap again!

Thanks for clearing that up for me some. Much appreciated. :)
 
Just some thoughts

I think it would be great if the site could continue to offer at least the forums for free or for a very nominal fee. Many people will not pay (I would, but many wouldn't) for the information on the forums. Unfortunately, it is often the animals that suffer when educatinal resources are restricted. For that reason, I would really like to see the forums remain free. However, I think it makes perfect sense to charge sellers to post classifieds. I will gladly pay a fee to use the classifieds forum on this sight. Most of us will more than make our money back on the first sale, so I think that makes total sense. As far as the BOI, that's a tough one. It would be really nice to continue to make that free since the same people who might not pay to get information might also not be willing to pay for the BOI, even though it has proven to be an invaluable resource for increasing integrity and accountability for the herp community. Once again, restriction of information often results in suffering for the animals we all work with, so I would really like to see the BOI remain free if at all possible. In short, I think the fees for the sight should be shouldered by those of us who are making money from the website - the advertisers and the sellers. Just some thoughts... -David
 
Oops...don't barbecue me...

Oops, I made the same mistake Amanda did...I didn't read the whole post before I responded. Well, it would appear my thoughts aren't all the novel. Sorry about that guys... -David
 
IAmAll4God said:
Oops, I made the same mistake Amanda did...I didn't read the whole post before I responded. Well, it would appear my thoughts aren't all the novel. Sorry about that guys... -David
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Now where in the heck is that thirty lashes warning point..... :duck01:
 
Sasheena said:
Just had a thought, just a thought mind you, but wouldn't it be cool if people who have ALREADY contributed, got the highest level ($35) until their subscription period ran out, and then they would pay whatever they felt like? Just a thought. Mostly brought about because I HOPE to have some hatchlings to sell this summer/fall, and HOPE to sell them here, but it would BITE just a bit to have to ante up $35.... But really that's not that big a deal.... so now that I think about it, it's no bigee... but still want to know the answer to Mr. Contributor's situation. :wavey:
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Now Sasheena. How do you all suppose I would treat my Charter contributors? ;)
 
I really enjoy the auctions we can now do to raise money for Fauna. As a hobbyist and breeder, Fauna and its resources are invaluable to me.I try to tell everyone I deal with locally about this site. I am hoping to find some unique things to auction for fauna. I'll contribute when I can. I'll have my web guy add a link to here on my web page. I have no suggestions that differ from what has been offered up. I can only say I LOVE FAUNA:)
 
Possible new idea?

To put it simply:

KS charges $100/year for classified accounts.
Anthing close to that and I'm keeping my advertising here. Many people will still look at it like the cheaper of two options. Instead of being $100 vs free, it will be $100 vs $50. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still going to go and pay the $50. (All my numbers are EXAMPLE only, except the charge for KS 1 year basic classified account)

As long as the prices are close - I have NO problem paying that to help support the site and be allowed to post classified ads. Granted, I would really only need like a 6 month account in summer, but the theory still applies.

As for general membership fees:
Viewing: I think should be free for all sections of the site. Maybe a "Members Only" forum of classified ads for special deals for fauna members (I was doing $10 discounts on baby bearded dragons for fauna members a while back, similiar discounts could be listed in such a forum). Not to mention a free BOI would be like free advertising to sign up as a member on the site.

Posting:
- Monthly fee gets you posting ability on all discussion forums (including the BOI)
- Classified account gets you posting ability on all discussion and classified forums.
- Maybe two levels of posting (ie one that offers bold and highlighting of unlimited ads, and the other just the basic, lower cost option)
- For those that only want to post on one thread: $1 per thread on the BOI, $.50 on other discussion forums (this should help keep out the jerks, but keep legitamate posts coming). Consider it a Pay-as-you-go system for non-members. Anyone who wishes to post a lot can simply buy a monthly/yearly membership.

Such a system would mean that all paying members could post on the BOI, but if you really had to defend yourself and knew you didn't want a full month of membership, you can still pay-per-thread. It would also keep out the same people signing up under different names because it would cost them $1 for each thread they post in under the new name.

Again, my amounts/lengths of time are examples only.

I'm glad I'm not you Rich... I got enough stuff to worry about, I can only imagine all the stress this site puts on you! I know you'll make the decision that makes the most sense for both you and the site.
 
The problem with phone numbers are: cell phones and unlisted numbers. Police officers, some federal employees/bank employees, ect have unlisted numbers as a measure of safety. Unlisted numbers would come back as not verified, but you can't really just block all unverifiable.

Cell phones aren't as bad since a reverse phone lookup will still tell you it's a cell phone registered to Cingular (for example), but it can't give any other info.

Not a bad idea though... just too unreliable to count as verification.



New BOI webpage title:
To post on the BOI, you need a SSN, birth certificate, three forms of ID, a bank statement, and a fingerprint ID and full retinal scan everytime you post, DNA sample everytime you log in...
Before anyone yells at me... it was meant as a joke... Lighten up!
 
OK..not that new, but more detailed!

sorry for posting ideas that have been repeated numerous times... A million lashes for me.
 
Gosh Robin. You are such a class act. 'stinkpickle'??? Is that what I think it is???

Looks like the same old people are singing the same old negatively out of tune song. Anyone done a talley of just the people posting in this thread and the other one to see how the votes turn out? Heck with the toll, this is where the real counts are.

So you all think 100 people signing up for the $10 - $35 admission fee is a no brainer huh??? Now this doesn't mean those people who have already become paying supporters here. New fresh faces that just want to post on the boi and are willing to pay the money to do it.

Betcha (figuratively speaking, gentlemen) that webbie will get inundated with emails from people asking why they cant post in the boi if the plan is put into place. Nobody reads rules and notices so most people wont even know what is going on until they try to post. Same goes for the classifieds if that is included. Most of those people probably havent even seen this post and will get smacked in the face with it when it goes to paid only status.

So lets see. Even if 100 people sign up for the lets say $10 per year. Big deal. A grand. What good is that going to do??? Is it really worth that to get everyone pissed off and thinking the sky is falling??? I think webbie that no matter what you do from this point is going to prove to be more trouble then it is worth to you. This place will never bring in enough money to make it worthwhile for you to beat your brains against the wall. You should have quit when you really thought it was worth something to keep it going. The ks debacle took a lot out of you, didnt it??? I dont think it broke your spirit but it is definitely cracked. I think it shook your faith in everyone. What was it, 2002 when I told you you should shut this thing down and walk away??? Look at all of the headaches you would have avoided if you had listened to me.

Now you think this plan is going to save you??? Sorry bud, but you are setting yourself up for another letdown. The ticks are going to make you out to be the ultimate bad guy, you know that dont you??? They will blame you for taking down the site, blame you for letting the bad guys free from their restraints, and blame you when ks has an open field to do what it wants without any real competition. You are going to be the scapegoat for all this.
 
WebSlave said:
Anyone have any spare time? Would someone please count up the number of UNIQUE members who have posted in the BOI over the last week or month? Curious to know what that number is. I suspect it is not a significant number at all. Which is both good and bad, I suspose. Roger's estimate of getting less then 100 members to pay up the $10 may not be far from the mark.
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There were 96 unique members posting over the past month in just these 4 threads:

Chameleon Condo ripped me off a measly 57.00
Prehistoricpets????????? ( 1 2 3 4 5 )
Poll: Vote***financing Fauna***vote ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 )
Poll: Paid subscription plan? ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 )
 
"Roger Jolly"
Why do I have a feeling you are from KS? You seem to want this to fail so you can rub it in his face. All the more reason for it to succeed.
 
ShannanD25 said:
"Roger Jolly"
Why do I have a feeling you are from KS? You seem to want this to fail so you can rub it in his face. All the more reason for it to succeed.
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What you don't understand is it will fail if the membership fee is imposed. But by all means prove me wrong..
 
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