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[email protected] -- DO NOT SELL TO! Buyer User ID: Latinomile69

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clarinet45

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I sold my orange female this weekend (AS A PET) to make room for my 3 reds and since she will not make good breeding stock. Maybe you say it, my Buyer ID is "Clarinet45" also. The buyer has been incompetent and very annoying. They won't even tell me their name! She/he ignores half my emails and refuses to answer my questions. I doubt she/he intends to by Tak, so i am selling her to someone in New York with experience and the appropriate setup.

FYI::

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:43:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Sara Gatto" <[email protected]>
Subject:ReptileAuction: Orange female
To: [email protected]

Hello and thank you for buying my Tak!
I'm sure she will make a wonderful pet, seeing as i
don't know much about her bloodline and would never
breed her. Please send me a care sheet and the setup
you have for her, as well as your zipcode so i can
send a Paypal invoice with the correct amount.
Any questions, please email me.
-Sara

From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:41:25 EDT
Subject:hello Sara
To: [email protected]
nice to meet you.............can you find out how much they charge you to send it.......email me soon

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:00:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Sara Gatto" <[email protected]>
Subject:Re: hello Sara
To: [email protected]

Hello, I need your address and phone number to ship. It
usually runs 50-60$, but i don't want to overcharge
you. I will not send her to i if feel she will be
mistreated. Please send my your caresheet, bio,
references, planned diet/setup,,,, anything you feel
is necessary. I am very concerned about her welfare
as there are too many ignorant ppl out there. Hope you
don't take offense.
I will invoice you went i have these details. You have
3 days.
-Sara

From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:04:52 EDT
Subject:Re: hello Sara
To: [email protected]
i understand you concern...................i have a 50 gallon place for him.............i have the male..........bd red too.......been looking for the female until i found yours...............i love animals.but theres no paper work to give you....theres a number to call you n we talk

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Sara Gatto" <[email protected]>
Subject:Re: hello sara
To: [email protected]

Are you planning to breed? Because you should know 5
generations back to preserve the gene pool in America.
I was selling her as a pet. You know males and females
cannot be housed together, do you have 2 tanks? Please
call me 412.657.2094 anytime. I still need your
address and phone #.
-Sara

--Is anything i did wrong? This is my first time selling something on ReptiBid.com, but i use ebay all the time(91+ feedback) She/He hasn't contacted me since.
 
Um not sure why you posted this. Not sure I understand it either" did you sell this person you lizard . You seem to be saying they won your auction but didn't send you shipping info or a name? Randy
 
Yea, They aren't answering any of the concerns i have and they won't tell me their name. They won't contact or call me. They legally bought her, but they are making no move like they actually want her.
I just wanted to post it in case anyone else has had this problem and what i should do.
-Sara
 
That seems to happen a lot on that site dead beat bidders. Not much you can do about it though. Randy
 
Did you mention in your ad that the person buying your animal would have to provide you with a caresheet, bio, references, and planned diet/setup before taking ownership? I can appreciate that you're concerned about the welfare of your animal but if I purchased an animal and the seller insisted on all of that before I could take ownership I'd lose interest as well.
You're not putting this animal up for adoption...you're selling it.

Also, it sounds like this person bought your animal intending to breed it. Did your ad state that it was being sold as a pet only?
 
Yea, sorry i can't find the ad, unfortunately i did NOT say that in the ad. My mistake, my first post on reptibid, oh well. I put my email address up and told ppl to contact me for details. I had a lot more interest than i expected. Only one person bid, and he/she DID contact me before bidding and i explained all this(above concerns and shipping). They did not respond, but bid anyways. I thought they understood. I was wrong. The person in NY who contacted me after the auction was one of the many that asked questions about her, but missed the bidding.
-Sara
 
This is not a warranted bad guy post from what has been posted so far.

I can appreciate your concerns about your animals. I would have the same concerns but you cannot dictate terms after the fact.

You said it was your first post on Reptile Bid and now this post on the BOI, I think you overreacted in both and scared your customer away and now branding him/her a “bad guy”. You need to send him/her a link to this thread.

Posts stay here forever, when you say never buy from this person it should be for a better reason than the one you have posted so far.
 
Hi Sara

Maybe instead of selling her to an unknown source, you could find a local herp society in your area and addopt her out to the right person. people on the net will sometimes tell you what you want to hear in order to obtain your animal, breed it or turn around and sell with holding the information about it's condition or even make the animal sound more appealing. Stick around here for a while and you will see this happens to nice people like you that just want a good home fro their pet.
 
I think you may have scared them away with your stipulations. Care sheet, planned diet, referrals....These are things I would not likely want to spend the time to send to a seller seeing as how I am already sending them money. I understand the concern for your animals well being but then again I could be running a bearded dragon slave labor camp and just send you fake documentation and bogus referrals from fictitious breeders. We all want our animals to go to good homes but inevitably that is something we do not have complete control of far from keeping them all ourselves.

Best advice is to place anything you require from the buyer in the auction text in the future. Although I doubt it would bring about many interested people.

:>off_to<: If anyone needs a t-shirt my dragon slaves make only the finest quality.
 
Ok, i will try contacting her/him again. Thanks for pointing this out. I have been very stressed going back to school and i think i was just impatient. I know what i may be asking (care sheets and such) a lot, but i'm only selling one animal and i will take the time to find a good owner.
-Sara
 
With your stipulation's an auction is far from the proper venue for your dragon. Try some of the other suggestions in this thread such as adoption. That way you have a screening process. By going through the auction you are entering into a legal contract to sell the animal if it meets your price. To lay down stipulations after the fact is not "legal".

:>off_to<: I have seen you commenting on a few other sites, ads, and boards. You commented on a classified ad that you wouldn't buy from a breeder who uses sand for babies because it "is not right". You possibly destroyed his ad by posting your "opinion".

Also, you mentioned that you can't house a female and male together. I am sorry to have to correct you but, you CAN keep males and females together, and I have had pairs that are and will be together for life. Call some breeders and talk to them and get some more information from varied sources before being so harsh on others with yours. You may find you still have a lot to learn.
 
I know i have a lot to learn, but i already know a LOT. and laying down stipulations BEFORE the buyer bids IS reasonable, they bid didn't they? I'm not putting an excellent dragon in excellent health up for adoption. I have too many people that are willing to pay 80$ plus shipping for her. *A guy from NY was willing to drive 4 hours to come get her* They were quick and called me and answered all my questions over the phone. I really don't see why it's taking the buyer so long to contact me with something as simple as their franking name.
Sand is a high impaction risk for BABY dragons. I personally don't like sand for any age, i use cocoanut fiber. Why are their posting options on classifieds? i stated my opinion, people can take it or leave it. And i don't know anyone that would house a male and ONE female together from a young age. Separately, then together when they are proper breeding age is alright, i will probably do it.
-Sara
 
#1 There is such thing as an adoption fee. No one said to "give" it away.

#2 When used properly sand has a LOW impaction rate. Coconut fiber has a HIGH impaction rate too, if not used properly.

#3 I can list 15 dragon breeders nation wide that house a male and ONE female together from 1 week of age on up and keep them in that pairing for life. May be a few new introductions or separations for breeding purposes but still always the same pair. Thats just throwing a few names off the top of my head.

#4 The posting options are there to ask questions. It is for potential buyers. Not for someone like yourself to post "their" opinion and ruin the ad by doing so.
You clearly stated that you would never buy from anyone using sand for babies. By that statement it is clear YOU had had zero intention of buying babies from that person. You should have took it or left it. Your opinion did nothing more than taint his ad.

#5 I never said you didn't know a lot.

#6 Yes, you have A LOT to learn.

#7 You started a bad guy thread on someone who did not deserve it.

#8 Sorry if I come across as harsh but I said what I wanted to say. Take it or leave it.
 
I use repti-sand, which is a finer granule sand, for my babies substrate and have had zero impactions. A lot of people use sand for both babies and adults without problems. The only real no risk substrate is paper towel but then again most people do not want to have to change paper towels and wipe down the cages every day.

I have had pairs together for most of their lives however, I do tend to seperate them when the male starts showing breeding signs.

I agree that the q&a section in an auction is for prospective buyers to attain more info and all opinions or suggestions should be put forth through a private means of communication. I'm not bashing on you as everyone is ignorant to one thing or another. Nobody's perfect.
 
Matt Haines said:
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I agree that the q&a section in an auction is for prospective buyers to attain more info and all opinions or suggestions should be put forth through a private means of communication.
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In this particular situation I am referring to one of her responses to a classified ad here on fauna, not an auction.

And yes, I separate too when MAJOR breeding signs show up. I have found that most of the time it is completely fine to house them together year round unless they have brumated. Of course some like to get frisky without brumation but that is rare.
 
Was this animal paid for by the buyer ? if so you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. It is sold. you have no control over any of this any longer you have to ship, regardless of the no name. Now on the other hand if you didn't get paid that makes them dead beat bidders, Now you have the right to see where it is going and ask for all caresheets and how their husbandtry skills are. And just food for thought if you sell for Pet only Please don't think it will always turn out that way sometimes people sell nice looking animals as pets only but they have a quality that might fit into what they are looking for in their breeding stock Just a thought
 
This post was completely unwarranted. If you had these concerns about breeding, they should have been clearly stated in the auction description, along with the documents you required to complete the sale.

You can hardly call this person a dead beat bidder when in fact it was you who violated the terms of your contract to sell.

By placing a bid in your auction, this person agreed to purchase the animal at the price they bid. By accepting this bid you agreed to sell at that price.

By adding additional requirements (care sheet, references, diet, etc...) YOU changed the terms of that contract, essentially making it null and void unless the buyer agrees to the new terms. Looks like they don't agree.

Was it rude for them to break off communications? Maybe, but not any ruder than you changing the deal around after the fact.

I applaud your concern for the welfare of the dragon, but you get a big thumbs down for your handling of the business transaction.

If anything your posts does more harm to you and your credibility. You appear to be an inexperienced seller, I would suggest that in the future you be sure to clearly state all terms and requirement before actually making a deal, it will save you and the potential buyer(s) a lot of head aches later on down the road.
 
Gecko_Den said:
And also, how is it you were even able to post this in the BOI without, at a minimum, having a "paid participant" level?
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Sam,

That requirement was rolled back a few weeks ago when Rich took his brief sabbatical.
 
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