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Warning: JC Carden of Crazy Chameleons

JC Carden

Im a bit sad I wasn't mentioned in his email to the group, I thought he forgot about me, but I went to my mail and he did email me personally saying things would be taken care of. If they are, I will be the first to post in this thread that things were taken care of.
I tried responding to your email JC, but you are blocking my emails.
Please have your person contact me and fix our problem and I will be more than happy to post it.
And morgana, I think you are terrific, the name calling was uncalled for and not believed by most of us :}

alison damore
 
I've never dealt with JC, but I have dealt with Brian (my avatar is one of his babies) and spoken with Morgana via email a few times and feel that they are very trustworthy people. I have to say I understand difficult and stressful times, but he apparently has a wife who could very easily push the buttons on the computer for Paypal or pick up a money order and hold the envelope up for JC to lick it and mail it off for him, not much work involved in that. Being a wife and mother of 5 myself, I know I still handle most ALL of my hubby's affairs. As far as not having a job, I understand that, BUT he took people's money and didn't supply with the chams as they were represented, they shouldn't have to wait at all, he had their money it's not his until the customer is satisfied, and that's not what occurred here.
 
truth

To all those who want to know my side of the story...here it is.
I have replied to both Matt and Alison off list, Matt who seems to reply to everybody else's wont reply to my msg off list......but anyhow no reason to do the name calling he has done, and call him a coward for not replying to my private email, but goes to show ya, I am doing what I can to resolve this matter. From here on out, I feel there is no reason to respond to everybody elses's 3 minutes of fame. Sure Pam has attempted to help me out, not because she is brain washed or anything silly like that, but becasue she knows the REAL me and knows and has seen what I really am going through. Thats not the point here though, the point here is I am trying to rectify the problem, sure I need help, but at one point or another....haven't you? If not, plz share us your secret on the perfect life. I am not being sarcastic, but I could say, no thanks Pam, I dont want your help, screw them, I would prefer to screw them over......JC


this is into reply to the many ?'s and rumors being posted out me.
#1) yeah I did have a deal w/Mr. Matt Jillon for what he has said. But as to intentionally rip him off, well this is a long story and to make it simple here goes.
I met Matt back in October if my memory serves me correctly, which would be a blessing if it did. As some of you know, I have been ill lately, more than I let even some of my closest friends know. I just had spine surgery finally, about 10 days ago. If any of you know aht happens prior to surgery and after surgery could be the only one who know what it has been like since my injury in October of last yr, only thing is, it decided to get worse.
Some rumors even have been posted that I have been working and am employeed, is that the truth..no. Some people who hear what they wanna hear even posted that I am working and bought a house. Is that true..far from it. Here is the story on that one, an old boss of mine heard what I was going thru and know what what I was facing, offered me a house to live in and keep up, whatever I and my family did to fix it up would go towards the house. It had been sitting for over 3 yrs and he needed sombody to help with the up keep and paint it because it was an eye sore, so we agreed, my family and I). So, not all is what it seems so far huh?
To answer the big ? here that has everybody talking.
Did JC screw over Matt and Alison?
Frankly no. here is why. First lets deal with Matt, the main complaint and go from there.
Yes, Matt did pay me for such. Did I screw him over and not supply him with his animals? Did the chams he referred to really die like he said?
Yes, my chams did die when we recieved a cold snap?.Yes, We had a bad winter storm blow through, in return, the power did go out through the night and part of the next day. When I woke up in the morning, we were still w/o power. My first instincts was to check on the chams. Yes, they were w/o power too. When the power clicked on in the afternoon, my heatlights came on along with the rest of their lights and heaters. Unfortunately the damage was already done. Over the course of the next wk, his chams (along w/Brian's from Norcal Chameleons) started to die from upper respitory infections.
I did let them know of what was taking place and told them I had other clutches coming up and I would replace them once they started to hatch.
I never once faked an illness of my chams nor myself, both are and were legit.I talked to Matt, and explained all this. Unfortuantley, even my other eggs were affected by this. Needless to say those eggs never made it.
I did email Matt back in Feb and let him know about htat, and even offered him a total of 10 replcements when my good eggs, which were soon to be dumped hatched to make up for the difference and trouble I had put him through, this was back in Feb...6 months ago.
I never did hear back from the guy, then he emails me while I was recouping from surgery...during the days of being bed bound and was not checking my emails. Needless to say. that email was sent during that time I was fresh out of surgery, next thing you know, I am facing this. Wow.
Second Alison...
We had 2 deals, might I add, she never commented on how the first one went...smooth. But anyhow, its only the negative things that get reported, so let me address that one. Her and I had emailing problems..which I even sent her the things I sent her that was still in my sent box that she stated to me that I was never sending or replying back to her and this was proven wrong to her.
Our second deal was like the first, I would ast as the middle person and I hooked up her orders and made a small commission off of her. Like I earlier stated, the first one was good, the 2nd one, well, too make a lng story short...she had a reptile show she needed to attend to the original shipping date was not going to work for her, so I emailed the person who was gonna send her the chams, the date that was gonna work for her. The perosn agreed to that date, I never did hear back from her for a month, When I did, it was "where are my chams". I forwarded my connection (the person who was suppose to supply the chams) the letter and she said she would take care of it and I should now stay out of it. A few months go by, all is good right, no...another friend emails me that Alison was aqusing me of screwing her over, so I emailed her and told her I would check it out, well the person who was gonna send her the chams...Mrs. Becky Sargent from Modesto, California, phone # had been disconnnected and the email address she used was no good, so I forward this off to Alsion and the next thing you now...here I am under attack and might I add, most of these people who are posting negative things about me, and you alll know who they are, dont even have a leg to stand on.
I have been in the cham business for over 4 yrs..close to 5 and have sold well over 500 chams during that time. I have received alot of "Kudo letters" and phone calls from people to help them w/their sick chameleon through this time.
What is really fasinating is not the wolves trying to jump on the blood wagon, who dont even know me , but the pepole whom I have helped, either with their phone calls at all hours of the day or night or giving them a good chameleon at a great price who do not defend me because they are scared it may make them look bad.
I am not saying what I have done is right...I have emailed them both trying to get it resolved..I have heard back from Alison, but Matt ignores me and continues tio bash me , so come on.....those who dont know me that are pipeing in...like the one from Washington...Mr. Blaine Brownie...just who are you...have I dealt with you...hummm, just like I thought...so then be quite!! If you wanna deal with me...email me off-list. In other words, if you dont know me, or have dealt with me with a business transition, know your role and shut your hole.
Morgana, I have already dealt with you. I have a special reply for you...its on my list, I recommend you read it and then you may reply...until then, I will say now what I said then...you too, can follow the advice given above...shut yours too.
Soo............was I done right, no, am I screwed, yes, by others like Becky and myself, and oh yeah Brian.....I dealt with you on my list...oh yeah.....I forgot, your not a member, too bad for you, for those of you that are my members...I guess you can read it.
I must say, during this time of down and out..I have seen who will stick up for me and those who just want a piece of the blood. I must thank a "Special Someone" out there.the person knows who they are, uinlike some...I dont need to give this person reconition for them standing by my side....they dont need their 3 minutes of fame of some..some who dont even have a leg or a tongue to stand on.
I hope all of those whom have read this can see my point and understand, I have tried, was and am I in the wrong...yes, have and am I trying to correct it...yes, do I need help with it...yes, wouldn't you?
Thank You for your time and for those of you who read this and can see both sides of the story before jumping in on the band wagon of "3 minute fammers"..........JC
 
I have never done business with this JC moron,, but to screw people, then tell them to "shut there hole" on a public forum sure shows what kind of guy he is,,,

you said you did not screw Matt over,,,well,, did you send him 100% what he paid for...?

if not, he was due a very prompt complete refund!

is it Alisons fault you sold chams that were not yours and the person you said that was suppose to send them to her "ran off " and her order was not 100% filled?

No, and she deserved a 100% refund!

you sir are a scam artist that is mad because you got caught!
no other reason!

you may have "kudos" from others,, but where are they to defend you..? don't see them..
all i see is people who you took advantage of, and now that it is out in the open the best you can say is for people to "shut there holes"

your quote not mine
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Morgana, I have already dealt with you. I have a special reply for you...its on my list, I recommend you read it and then you may reply...until then, I will say now what I said then...you too, can follow the advice given above...shut yours too.
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if you were not wrong in any of this you would handle it in a "business like manner" but what you have done is handle it like a 10 year old who just got caught. lashing out at the ones you have done wrong.

i hope everyone who deals in Chams sees this,,, so they can avoid you like the plague...
i know i sure will...

you could have come here and made ammends to the people you have done wrong and been a bigger man than the 10 year wimpering "poor me... poor me.." "it wasn't my fault i screwed people" attitude and done the right thing,,, but you have shown your true colors,,,

you are not the bully in the 1st grade class anymore,,,
"shut your hole" does not work here buddy!
 
You could have avoided all of this by NOT SPENDING the money you received prior to the orders being fulfilled. Common sense says dont spend what is not yours.
 
So JC, according to you these people have or have not been paid or repaid in full??? That's the big question here, not who's bleedin' who, just did the people get the money they are due...
 
Let's see. Poor poor pitiful me, I had surgery, I had email problems, my boss felt sorry for me, I'm just pitiful. I brokered a deal and someone else messed up, it's not my fault. So shut your HOLE??? Who does this remind me of........ oh yeah, upchuck exotic, are you friends of theirs? You seem to have the very same set of business ethics.

You, (insert expitive of choice) are a first class nimrod. You're a lier, thief and crook. I've never done business with you and never will. You're lucky you have an excuse for having no backbone. Although, I would like to see some sort of doctors report to back that up as you have proven yourself a LIER and therefore not to be believed AT ALL.

Wes Pollock
 
a wee bit ot

i love your sig wes, my husband has been saying something similar for years, "if your gonna be dumb, you better be strong" he says it in reference to herself
 
Thanks J.C. !

J.C.,

You have saved me a great deal of time trying to convey the caliber of person you are. Your eloquent use of the english language and your twisted personality have served all who have posted here well. Thanks! My work here is done. I am so glad J.C.'s dirty laundry is out in the open. Thanks to the originator of this thread, many others will be spared being ripped off.

Brian Hazen
Norcal Chameleons
 
Like several people here, I have never done business with JC, nor will I ever (more because of HIS response than the initial complaints). But I do have this to add:

If you were too immobilized to check your email, how did you manage to keep your chameleons alive? If someone was taking care of YOUR animals, why wasn't the same person keeping tabs on the business end? (I.E. checking your email, corresponding with those who were owed money, and *ahem* answering the phone). There are so many holes in your story that I don't care to go through them one by one and deflate your series of hollow excuses. Suffice it to say that you have lost my business because of how YOU conducted yourself on THIS forum, not because of how others portrayed you.

To be honest, your conduct is sickening. We all (or most) have a common interest in the welfare and propigation of Chameleons in captivity, and unscrupulous business practices aside, someone with the health of the animals in mind would NOT lose two clutches of eggs in a row, nor sit idly by while dozens of offspring waste away because of infection.

But all this is, to me, irrelevant. Anyone who keeps animals will lose some now and again, that is the course of things. What made me feel the need to post in this thread was not everyones complaints, but the immaturity of YOUR responses. Back injury or not, YOU are not the victim here. People dont want your blood, they want THEIR money, and by trying to pin the blame on them, you have only made yourself look worse in my eyes, and with all likelihood in the eyes of most potential customers that read this thread.

I am just thankful that this board has prevented me from making a potentially costly mistake.
 
I've been doing business with Matt for quite a while now and he has always lived up to his end of the deal. He's the type of customer we all hope to have dealings with. I wouldn't think twice about sending him an animal with a promise to pay at a later date. No contract, nothing written, just an honest man you can take at his word.

As for JC, I've never done business with you so I can't say anything based on personal experience. I can say that over the past 3 years, I've gone through more hell than you could possibly imagine and thank God my daddy raised me right because I couldn't live with myself if I pulled the stunts you did. Does the word HONOR mean anything to you at all? One of my dad's lil sayins was "when the whole world is wrong and you are the only one that is right, it is time to stand back and take a good look at yourself." Perhaps you should think about that one...

Ronnie Buck
AB Herps
CricketFood.com
 
Well JC if you were sincere in taking care of people you would not have taken so long to get back to them. But from your message it sounds like you do not want to fix everything right. If you are a genuine breeder and you want you promote the chameleon as a pet and are not a money hungry thief you would have taken care of the problems before you had surgery. Sorry if you are having problems but, you having problems does not mean that others should pay for it. If you take the money You need to make it right. You are the type of person I have to deal with everyday. I have to collect money form people like you that always have a reason not to pay. A person like you almost made me sour on wanting to deal with animals all together. Then I realized not everyone is like you. So I started to help other that get ripped off. If you had ripped me off I would of been at your house knocking on the door and you would of paid me back. So unless you start to take care of these situations some of these people may do the same or ask me to help them get there money. Just so that all you know for the future if you pay for your animals with a postal money order it is a federal offense to defraud when they are used. good luck all. i hope you get this fixed.
 
jc, I really want to see some OFFICIAL documentation of this surgery you had. Something from your doctor with his address and phone number on it, some lab report, surgery details, release forms from the hospital, something to backup your story.

Personally, I don't care if you are the scum you seem to be, but I am curious just how much of a lier you are.

And much like Bluwuta, had it been me you had done this too it would have been my knuckles rappin' on your door. You got lucky there, see if you can string that out to making right the pain and suffering you have caused SO many people. One of these days it won't be some poor woman ten states away you rip off. Think on that one, chum.......heh heh heh

Wes Pollock
 
You know JC you are a real piece of work. Just for the record, my Grandmother died on Friday and I was VERY close to her and the funeral was today. A few of you out there know that and if you wish to chime in to validate this point, please do so. That is why I have not posted a response yet. You can blow me you living piece of HUMAN SCUM. You are VERY lucky Pam is your friend and that is all I have to say about that for the moment. Call me a coward! Why have you not returned any of my calls or emails to you? I want everyone who wants to see two examples of when I tried to get in contact with him email me and I will forward the messages to you, [email protected]. You say Brian, Alison, Morgana and I are wolves? Well my "friend" I could not imagine what that would make you. I don't really know any of them at all but NOBODY could be worse than you. Bottom line is you need to re-examine your life (and I would start with the mullet) because you can't get this time back and once you are old you will look back and say "I have accomplished nothing, I am a thief, a liar" and probably a couple other things that have yet to be made public. I truely feel sorry for your kids and wife to have a father and husband like you.

Unbelievable that JC can bring the human species this low,
Matthew Jillson
Santa Barbara, Ca.
 
Emails I sent JC, along with proof he is lying

I did not read all of JC's post when I replied last, especially his version of what happened. JC you are full of HORSE [bleep]. You have never tried to email me although I called a few times, left messages with my phone number and emailed you here is one email from March:

Subj: Fwd: My Money
Date: 8/12/2003 1:40:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Matt Jillson" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)






>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Fwd: My Money
>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:00:59 -0500
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Subj: My Money
Date: 3/19/2003 2:05:53 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]


JC,
I think I have been really patient for a long time now and I understand that you have been in a bind with not working and all but enough is enough. I want my money back, $600 ($100 deposit in Nov. and $500 deposit in Dec.). I am over the stories and the bs, please do the right thing and pay me back so that I can stop bothering you and this can stop bothering me. You never returned my calls (the same thing you did to others)which obviously makes my think you are trying to skip out on your debt to me and this troubles me as I thought you were a good guy and now in light of all this I am having to re-evaluate my judgment. So please send a check payable to: Matt Jillson
174 Camino de Vida apt.D
Santa Barbara, Ca, 93111
This email is in no way meant to harass you it is merely an attempt to collect a debt. Thanks for your time, and I expect you to do the right thing.
Matt Jillson


Explain this scum!!!!! Re-coup or no re-coup you owed me money and you were emailing other people so why did you not get back to me? Here is proof:
From: "Ignacio Blasco" <ignacio_blasco@y...> Date: Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:53 pmSubject: RE: [CrazyChams] Warning: JC Carden of Crazy Chameleons
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Interesting ...How can you moderate a list if you're the worst of it? Toothless yokel....I think I'l leave the group. Goodbye to all the good people.
From: jccrazychams@a... Date: Mon Jul 7, 2003 8:07 pmSubject: picasso pics
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thought I'd send ya some pics of my male Picasso...Paycheck...hope ya all enjoy themThese pics are of him w/Pam's female that she had brought down with her......JC
From: jccrazychams@a... Date: Mon Jul 7, 2003 8:38 pmSubject: Re: [CrazyChams] Re: picasso pics
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yeah, she loved him, we think...even though she has not called him yet...Pam...I think your female used Paycheck,, you should have her call him...HeHe. We are soon to find out how the eggs look, we are keeping our fingers crossed........JC
From: jccrazychams@a... Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 11:44 amSubject: Re: [CrazyChams] incubating panther eggs, ED
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thanks Ed........hows the quitting smoking thing going?...JC

You are truely a waste of life. You were emailing people during this time but what about me or a reply to the post I created? Ahh, I feel a little more calmer now that I have prooved you are a liar, AGAIN.

Matthew Jillson
 
just a bystander- wolf if you must..

Just thought an outside opinion maybe helpful. Matt it's obvious to all what the situation is. JC is going to stiff you, and to top it off I truly believe he thinks he's the victim. JC if you plan on 'taking care of the situation', how's about a good faith jesture and at least sending some minscule amount of money to those you literally screwed over maybe even with a sincere apology?

Why is it that over the past 6 months you havent made ANY attempt to right your wrongs in anyway? It's obvious to me and everyone else that reads this that you have NO intentions of making good. Even if you did, you screwed Matt over from the day you recieved the first $100. Instead of earmarking that $100 deposit from him you spent it. Not only that, you accepted more money from him, and then spent it as well. Then excuses after excuses, empty promises after empty promises, ever hear the saying "don't count your eggs until they have hatched?"

We all have life problems but how we deal with these situations shows our true integrity, which sir, in my opinion you have absolutely none. Matt, my best advice to you is to persure this until the bitter end. I would also contact the authorities in your area and in his area to file a report. I would also notify the webmaster of anysite you saw his ads on to alert them of this conduct.
JC how can you possibly justify calling all these people names like wolves just because your having a lonely pity party for yourself? I just heard the saying "a smart man learns from his mistakes, but a wise man learns from others mistakes" I hope others learn from you on what not to do as I don't think your being smart or wise in this. Mike B.
 
THIS IS JUST TOO FUNNY!

I went over to the Yahoo Group this Moron JC is the moderator of, and this is what his reply to Matt was ( his quote from the site):----------------------------------------------------------------------
Matt
i did reply back to you in Feb...did you forget to mention that msg..or let me guess.....you convienttally did not receive it huh?Let me refresh your memory
I would give you 10 Sams as soon as they hatched out, which should hve been in Spet or mid Mid Oct..at the latest?......JC I have also replied to your emails.......and you have done slander.....no matter what you may think.....why dont you call up any attorney and ask them, trust me, I lready have, according to them....you have vilated me...not only only one attorney has said that, but 3 yes THREE..so wanna deal now..or should we have them deal? The choice is yours
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so why is it when every single scam artist gets exposed they "lawyer up".

The truth is Sir, you cannot Prove "slander" in court of law when the other complaintant is speaking the TRUTH!
That is not called Slander but the TRUTH! something you have not seen in a while i am sure!
Why should Matt have to "deal" with you for telling how you have scammed him out of him money!
I would love for you to get up in front of any judge in this world, and under oath mind you, explain how you did not rip him and the others off! and then try and sue them for slander!
you live in a fantasy world! and you are just mad someone has finally exposed your little childish scamming games.!

so to prove my point...

did you or did you not take 600.00 dollars from Matt..?

did you or did you not deliver 100% the goods he purchased..?

I and a lot of others will await your answer! ( no "sob story in your answer,, just the facts please,, if i read anymore of your sob story,, i might just have to cry a river for ya)...


Matt I don't know ya man,, but if he has consulted an attorney, i would sure not let his retainer go to waste, i would contact the attorney general in the state he lives now, with the cancelled checks and all the emails showing what you were purchasing,, and file a case based on theft. if he accepted the money through the mail, i would file a case with the postmaster general for mail fraud and i would find out who his employer is and ask them if they want a guy who steals working for them,,, i would contact Yahoo and ask them to remove JC from the groups as he is using the boards to perpetrate fraud! i would contact his ISP provider and do the same thing,,,

Jc you need to return these peoples money! if you have time to consult 3 attorneys. you have time to get an extra job to pay these people back there money!

these people did nothing wrong. Except put there faith in you to treat them fair! and to provide what you sold them! you sir did not provide the goods these people paid for and that is theft!
plain and simple! call an attorney and ask them about the definition of that!


And i like some of the others here , if it were me, would be beating on your front door... with the sheriffs deparment in toe.

So please post a reply to all this JC and don't hide on your little "board over on yahoo" post where every one here can see
your answers,,,
 
so why is it when every single scam artist gets exposed they "lawyer up".

The truth is Sir, you cannot Prove "slander" in court of law when the other complaintant is speaking the TRUTH!
That is not called Slander but the TRUTH!

They don't actually lawyer up, they just say that because they believe that nobody online will be able to prove otherwise and seem to think it's somehow intimidating.

If he had spoken with a lawyer, he'd know the term is libel when it's written, not slander. Furthermore, he'd be very careful to utilize the correct term since, in most areas, libel is a more serious civil charge and it's a much easier case to win, since there's hard evidence.

The people who actually have spoken to lawyers immediately stop making posts on public internet forums, it's very rare when the total number of individuals making the claim is considered, but it does happen. All other issues aside (for the moment) JC is clearly lying about this subject.
 
Oh yeah... just one other thing...

Lying about consulting a lawyer is done to intimidate and to lend a false validity to the claims made by the person claiming to have consulted one.

Since this is done expressly to detract from the credibility of the other person involved and damage their reputation by implying that they are performing an act which has ramifications in civil court... and it's a lie...

... Their own actions are, to some degree, libelous. If the other party were able to prove that it somehow inhibited their ability to do business, caused them financial or social harm and had an actual impact of some kind, then there *might* be a small claims case made out of the issue... going the other direction.
 
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