Warning Points System Mod

[Jim O]

Although without a name or at least store location "petco manager" is pretty difficult to pin down to an accountable individual.

That would be splitting hairs there, don't ya think? If Michele were asked she could likely have provided the store location and even the manager's name.

Either way, she believed that Sandfire was the source, Sandfire was the source by their own admission, and the animal had a positive test. Are we going to make her name the lab and the person who did the test, else call it "anonymous third party info"? There needs to be some limit.

Saying "my buddy told me...." or "rumor has it..." is different than saying "the manager at the Petco where I purchased my animal said...".

 

[whiskersmom]

I'm posting on this because I really don't understand why Ed gave her points??? Michelle's intentions were to pass on info as she was given, right, unless we want to believe she is just a liar, which I hardly think is the case here?
Being unfamiliar with the rules of this forum, I need to ask, should she have just started a thread on the BOI to "inquire" of Sandfire if he sells to Petco and if his dragons are positive....or if he even tests, for that matter?
Ed states that he wanted to give her a slap on the wrist, to slow her down...buy why? What did she say that couldn't have been asked of her, that was out of line? Instead of issuing points, could you not have asked to just show proof of her info?
Points may mean very little here (except when you hit 499) but when a person is new to a site, wouldn't it be a little humiliating and effacing to have gotten them so quickly after joining?
I also think that Michelle was just being over zealous when she posted her news in three different threads, I don't think she was trying to cause problems or trouble.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Michelle!

 

[puppytoes72]

I'm posting on this because I really don't understand why Ed gave her points??? Michelle's intentions were to pass on info as she was given, right, unless we want to believe she is just a liar, which I hardly think is the case here?
Being unfamiliar with the rules of this forum, I need to ask, should she have just started a thread on the BOI to "inquire" of Sandfire if he sells to Petco and if his dragons are positive....or if he even tests, for that matter?
Ed states that he wanted to give her a slap on the wrist, to slow her down...buy why? What did she say that couldn't have been asked of her, that was out of line? Instead of issuing points, could you not have asked to just show proof of her info?
Points may mean very little here (except when you hit 499) but when a person is new to a site, wouldn't it be a little humiliating and effacing to have gotten them so quickly after joining?
I also think that Michelle was just being over zealous when she posted her news in three different threads, I don't think she was trying to cause problems or trouble.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Michelle!

yes whiskersmom,i was a little emotional after i talked to kevin dunn.i posted in 2 other threads that were not mine and now i know i shouldnt have. i apologized for that.i was so upset he told me he wasnt going to test because he was pretty sure he had adeno there anyways. they also do not mention adeno on their website at all. i thought it was my duty to warn people. i was never asked to provide proof until AFTER i got my warning points,by then i was very upset by this and i read the rules and it stated that proof is OPTIONAL. i have all the proof i need but why should i post it? kevin dunn did not deny any of it. ty for understanding whiskersmom, if i had received the points for posting in multiple threads i would say"ok,its my fault" but this is not the case.

 

[puppytoes72]

That would be splitting hairs there, don't ya think? If Michele were asked she could likely have provided the store location and even the manager's name.

Either way, she believed that Sandfire was the source, Sandfire was the source by their own admission, and the animal had a positive test. Are we going to make her name the lab and the person who did the test, else call it "anonymous third party info"? There needs to be some limit.

Saying "my buddy told me...." or "rumor has it..." is different than saying "the manager at the Petco where I purchased my animal said...".

ty jim, you are right, i can provide all the info but after kevin made his statement there wasnt any need to. btw, did you notice a few threads back that i started making an effort to put a space after my periods and commas? you are right it does make it easier to read and it only takes me a few extra minutes

 

[WebSlave]

Regardless, please do not turn THIS thread into yet another discussion on bearded dragon adenovirus. There are other threads where that is appropriate. This is an unfortunate situation, but I am not willing to have this entire site taken over by this one issue.

Thanks.

BTW, you still have not posted those PMs so we can see the actual discussion that took place between yourself and Ed concerning that warning point. Now THAT material is appropriate for this thread. If you can't do that, perhaps Ed can.

 

[puppytoes72]

Regardless, please do not turn THIS thread into yet another discussion on bearded dragon adenovirus. There are other threads where that is appropriate. This is an unfortunate situation, but I am not willing to have this entire site taken over by this one issue.

Thanks.

BTW, you still have not posted those PMs so we can see the actual discussion that took place between yourself and Ed concerning that warning point. Now THAT material is appropriate for this thread. If you can't do that, perhaps Ed can.

believe me i do not want it to turn into another adeno discussion either. i asked you twice the best way to put the pm's on here but i guess you missed it. i will copy/paste because thats the only way i know how. i will be right back

 

[puppytoes72]

(ED) puppytoes72,

You have been issued a warning by Ed Clark on the account of Overly abusive towards another member!

You now have 2 warning points.

Please read the rules and try to adhere to them to make FaunaClassifieds more useful and enjoyable for us all.

Thanks,
Ed Clark
On Behalf of
Site Administration (ME) how was i abusive??i feel everyone is being abusive to me.can you please tell me which post was abusive?is anyone else getting warnings? (ED) Your post about sandfire dragon ranch can have big repercussions, maybe you should have posted against petco and provided recieps as proof of purchase. you do not look good with a post like that and all it can do is hurt you. sorry about your beardie. (ME) ok,so because i just stated facts i get a warning for"abusive behavior"?i do not see how "abusive behavior"applies here.kevin from sandfire is not denying any of this.isnt there such a thing as freedom of speech?i have not lied at all (ED) Michele, You need to post proof on the BOI (ME)
ok,i have my receipt from petco,my email from lou ann miller and i could go back to petco and get the paperwork from sandfire shipment but i have no clue how to scan and get it on here.but in case i get any official complaints against me i have the proof so i dont see the need to worry.since im a computer illiterate i guess ill take my chances.thanks tho (ED) If you dont have a scanner, take to staples or one of those big office supplies and they can do it. (ME) thanks but i still wouldnt know how to get it on here.hmm,maybe i can take a pic of my papers and use photobucket to upload the pics on here?when i get a chance maybe i will do that.im just wondering tho,if someone has a complaint that their 1000 crickets arrived dead do they have to prove it if they remark about it on this forum?im not trying to be a wizebutt,im really curious. (ED) Yes, everything on the BOI requires proof, taking pics then putting them on photo bucket is a good idea.

 

[jsrocket]

It was a judgment call. Ed made it. People can argue forever about whether it was justified, or not.

No, he did not follow the "proof" guidelines to the letter, but I understand the mods have latitude to use their own discretion. Taken in context with her other posts on the topic, I don't feel it was out of line.

Ed seems like a fair guy, and all this over 2 points seems a little much. JMHO

 

[KelliH]

Yes, everything on the BOI requires proof

That's totally not true. I'm not being antagonistic, just saying, that is an untrue statement.

 

[Stardust]

Michele,
From what I read from the PM's and if in fact you step out of the box and look at it from that view maybe you will see what I am seeing.
Ed was mistaken about the "need to have proof" but I also see that he was trying to help you find a way to get your proof on there.
About "proof", no it is not a requirement but it DOES going a long way in helping your cause.
About Petco, unlike Petsmart Petco does buy sometimes from local buyers as well. I have not sold to them but I was questioned on if I would. I live in a more country setting so this may not be everywhere.
If they could state that they buy from sandfire exclusively it could also help.
So my suggestion: Do your homework first, gather it together then make the inquiry or what ever you deem best.
My last suggestion is to let this go, it really is just a warning system. People get a warning point for not posting their names on the BOI, they are guieded in that warning and either they chose to listen or get warned again.
There are also some of us here, me included that would chose not to get a warning point for something that I am personally involved in unless it was SO blatant that it could not be overlooked. We all are only human.

Wes, from what I can tell the system was made that mods can look at other mods and issue points as well, you know that. There are a couple of mods that I know of that have received warnings from others. I, personally, did not see any good to give Ed a point for this one, he may have different viewed then some, that most certainly does not mean it is not valid or from I could tell that he was singling anyone out. He simply (and admitted) he worded his comment subject to misinterpretation and Michele did indeed to from one thread to another with this, granted, going on emotion.

We are all trying, that is all we can do, no more no less. In the whole scheme of things two points is not enough to get this kind of attention. Don't we all have something better to do then to argue about 2 points?

 

[kmurphy]

Yes, everything on the BOI requires proof, taking pics then putting them on photo bucket is a good idea.

Actually this is incorrect, and even if it was, a follow-up post would be more appropriate not warning points. A few posts ago Wes made this statement that I agree with.

Who watches the watchers?

Anyone who wants to is the answer.

Even though these 2 points are meaningless compared to the total needed for a fine, each erroneously given point needs to be discussed. If for no other reason than to force the mods to put a little more thought behind them.

 

[varnyard]

I did not know that warnings had been issued on this when it was going on. I did call Kevin so he could defend himself; it was even mentioned in that thread I think (So many threads about the same thing).

I do not think warnings should have been given on this; this is why I say this. We all know this site is getting more and more traffic every day; there are many new members that have never been here before. They do not know the rules like we do, I would also doubt they would read each and every one before posting.

That said, a simple post, or PM about the violation that was made would be much better IMO than running with the points. Do we want people to think we are that harsh here?

I have nothing against ED at all, and he is a respectable guy in my book. However, I do think we need to think a little more before breaking out the guns. I would not have given her points for this.

As for her fight with D Thomas, I doubt she knew who he was. Dennis came in and she seen it as a attack, not that Dennis done anything wrong at all. He was trying to let her know how the BOI operates. However, I do not think she seen it that way. He did not give her warnings when it happened; he just stated she needed proof for her statements.

If you chose to be a moderator here, than do not forget, to police, means to protect and serve. Please do not forget the serve part. It is much better IMO to help them learn than to force them.

 

[whiskersmom]

I did not know that warnings had been issued on this when it was going on. I did call Kevin so he could defend himself; it was even mentioned in that thread I think (So many threads about the same thing).

I do not think warnings should have been given on this; this is why I say this. We all know this site is getting more and more traffic every day; there are many new members that have never been here before. They do not know the rules like we do, I would also doubt they would read each and every one before posting.

That said, a simple post, or PM about the violation that was made would be much better IMO than running with the points. Do we want people to think we are that harsh here?

I have nothing against ED at all, and he is a respectable guy in my book. However, I do think we need to think a little more before breaking out the guns. I would not have given her points for this.

As for her fight with D Thomas, I doubt she knew who he was. Dennis came in and she seen it as a attack, not that Dennis done anything wrong at all. He was trying to let her know how the BOI operates. However, I do not think she seen it that way. He did not give her warnings when it happened; he just stated she needed proof for her statements.

If you chose to be a moderator here, than do not forget, to police, means to protect and serve. Please do not forget the serve part. It is much better IMO to help them learn than to force them.

Exactly

 

[Wilomn]

Say Ed, your silence is deafening. I hate to ASSume but you are leaving me little choice.

 

[Griz]

Sammy, Wes, Kmurphy, pscaulkins and a few others. you are very critical of some of us guys that have upped our memberships to try and help police this site and make it better.keep in mind that we paid to help make this a better site!

If some of you feel that you can do a thankless job better, well...put your money where your mouth is and help out and stop being so critical of the people that have offered to help around here.

Ed, if your reputation did not precede you by a MILE then maybe some of us here would not be so quick to take the benefit of the doubt off the table. You've proven yourself completely unworthy of any role here on this site other than the willingness to pay to play. There's no altruism here on your part. Is there for others? Absolutely, but to think that you can sit in the same boat as Laura etc is, well, insulting. But then again, you're your own worse enemy and quite frankly, it's a bit satisfying to sit back and allow your true colors to shine through.

Griz

 

[Ed Clark]

Bob, this is coming from someone that would break the rules to neg rep me for a friend that could not do it himself, then leave me a note about it stating the neg rep was for someone else. your cheap shots at me give me a good laught...thats all. I have heard the stories about you trading firearms with convicted felons. and you have the nerve to point fingers at others.

Ed, if your reputation did not precede you by a MILE then maybe some of us here would not be so quick to take the benefit of the doubt off the table. You've proven yourself completely unworthy of any role here on this site other than the willingness to pay to play. There's no altruism here on your part. Is there for others? Absolutely, but to think that you can sit in the same boat as Laura etc is, well, insulting. But then again, you're your own worse enemy and quite frankly, it's a bit satisfying to sit back and allow your true colors to shine through.

Griz

 

[Jim O]

I have heard the stories about you trading firearms with convicted felons.

I know that you don't have to but care to name your unnamed source(s) on this Ed? That's a major accusation and honestly, if this were the BOI I would certainly ding you for it.

 

[Ed Clark]

Jim, This is all about me giving someone 2 warning points thats all.

Griz will take it upon himself to post in a bad way about anyone he does not like, or does not agree with him. he will even go so far as to neg rep someone for a friend. Im ok with that. his anger towards me is well known and gives me a good laught.

Why do you think he hates Joe Haggard(joepythons)?

I know that you don't have to but care to name your unnamed source(s) on this Ed? That's a major accusation and honestly, if this were the BOI I would certainly ding you for it.

 

[Griz]

JimO, this is EXACTLY why people have to take Ed with a grain of salt. He purposely twists facts to substantiate his claims. The funny thing here is that there are a very large number of people on this very forum who know the story and can support the fact that what Ed is stating is nothing short of a lie.

Here's the real story. I have my Federal Firearms License. I am a licensed dealer. Now, common sense would tell you, especially given my reputation, that there is no way in the world that I would jeopardize my freedom, let alone the welfare of my family, to make a firearms trade.

When I was new to ReptileAuctions, I posted a trade ad. I clearly stated that I would trade firearms for reptiles and vice versa. At the time, I did not realize that trade ads on ReptileAuctions were against the TOS. The ad was listed for around 1 day before the Admin pulled it for violating the TOS. But, an individual by the name of Dday and Joepythons started a thread on the Forums stating that I was scum for attempting to trade guns for reptiles.

I very quickly put them in their place, as did the Admin who clearly backed up the fact that what I did was not immoral or unethical, it was simply against their TOS. And, keep this in mind Ed, the Admin of ReptileAuctions would have no issue coming here in my defense. I talk to him every few months and he remembers the situation clearly. Anyways, this thread is what precipitated the animosity between Joepythons and myself which continues to this day.

Now, Ed, who obviously has disillusions of grandeur, wants to try and take a pot shot by making his comment above which are completely baseless. Where his information comes from is Joepythons. Joe, has stated that I was attempting to make a firearm trade with a convicted felon (keep in mind that Joe is one himself). My ad was up for less than 1 day with no takers on the auction. Joe simply added this to help mislead others and obviously, Ed bit.

So, once again Ed, you have proven yourself a classless act who not only cannot be trusted but whose values and principles reside in the primordial ooze you call life.

Griz

PS If you go back and read that particular thread on the ReptileAuctions forum, you will see that not even one post in that thread mentions trading guns to a felon. It was simply a figment of a very misled imagination that did not come about until a year had passed since the thread. One would like to think that if I had been attempting to do what was said that it would have come up there, don't you think Ed? Clearly......you do not.

 

[Griz]

Bob, this is coming from someone that would break the rules to neg rep me for a friend that could not do it himself, then leave me a note about it stating the neg rep was for someone else. your cheap shots at me give me a good laught...thats all. I have heard the stories about you trading firearms with convicted felons. and you have the nerve to point fingers at others.

Just to illuminate Ed propensity to exaggerate......care to explain why you choose to use the plural here Ed? Didn't think so.

Griz