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Ok I dont understand this forum, why did I get warning points, when I didnt use any curse words, I didnt put anyone down, I didnt make fun of anyone. All I did was inform and give an opinion. Is this forum that sensitive? I think its kinda ridiculous and funny.
 
Marina,
Since the post seems to have been deleted, & the comment on your warning refers to arguing in a classified ad, could you say who's ad it was - actually, please PM me with that info, and describe your post. Also, was yours the first such comment, or were you discussing/arguing things with somebody? Was that person the poster of the ad?
 
Let me answer this for you Marina. You and Jexx (Lindsay) were very rude to the person that posted a for sale ad and you two were asked to move your discussion to the discussion forum 3 or 4 times and choose to disregard the moderators requests. we dont allow someone to be attacked on a for sale ad. plain and simple, bad behavior is just not acceptable.
Agentspades said:
Ok I dont understand this forum, why did I get warning points, when I didnt use any curse words, I didnt put anyone down, I didnt make fun of anyone. All I did was inform and give an opinion. Is this forum that sensitive? I think its kinda ridiculous and funny.
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Marina, You should PM Ed Clark, since he is the one who gave you the warning points.

I will say this, since the ad has been deleted, although my memory of it is sketchy, I do agree with the points that Ed gave you. Your comments were not appropriate for a sale ad. An open forum discussion would have been a different story. I also remember the OP asking you to stop making comments in his sale ad, twice I believe, a request that you chose to ignore.
 
Out of curiosity...

When a thread is deleted, like the threads created in the classifieds sections, is it completely and truly deleted... or is a copy kept around someplace where someone with a sufficient level of control could take a look at it even after it's been removed?

It's a curiosity born here in this thread since we have someone complaining that their warning points weren't justified... in a shiny public thread... but the link in their warning sheet is dead. Doesn't seem to be an isolated incident either, I started clicking other people's points and browsing around and there are other dead end links listed as well. So I'm just curious as to if it's something where no determination can be made or if it's something that could potentially be reopened for review. By the appropriately interested parties of course.

As it is, you've got a guy who has eight infractions for "Warning System Abuse" who's given out points that the pointee is claiming they didn't deserve and the whole thing has dissapeared.

Who's ad was it? What was the nature of the discussion? When was the ad created? When was it deleted? Why was it deleted? Did the discussion portion wander into territory where it needed to be redirected or was it an abrupt attack? Were there really warnings from mods to take it elsewhere? Was it three or was it four? Were the "attacks" really attacks or were they, for example, someone pointing out a mislabeled animal so that buyers wouldn't be defrauded? And, as unfortunate as it is that things need to be thought of this way... Was Ed involved in the argument and he just decided to use the point system as a weapon... again... or did this person actually deserve what they got?
 
Something else I would like to add, Marina had every opportunity to leave without a warning point and choose to continue her.......discussion.

Rozann, myself, and Griz suggested she continue on the discussion forum and then Ken came in and cleaned it up. she had a chance to leave and choose not to.
 
Seamus Haley said:
Out of curiosity...

When a thread is deleted, like the threads created in the classifieds sections, is it completely and truly deleted... or is a copy kept around someplace where someone with a sufficient level of control could take a look at it even after it's been removed?
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It is generally "soft deleted" meaning anyone with moderator privileges in that forum can view it and un-delete it. All of the posts can be retrieved by Rich and the supermods.

From the sound of it, the OP got away with a two point warning when it might have been a five pointer for "attack on a member outside of the BOI".
 
Jim O said:
It is generally "soft deleted" meaning anyone with moderator privileges in that forum can view it and un-delete it. All of the posts can be retrieved by Rich and the supermods.

From the sound of it, the OP got away with a two point warning when it might have been a five pointer for "attack on a member outside of the BOI".
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Good deal. I am glad to know that at least the potential for accountability exists. The potential for abuse almost always goes up if there's holes where something can be hidden.

I'm also fairly happy to say that the suspicions which were raised when I wrote that post (immediately after Ed's first reply in post #3) were unfounded. It's just a way of telling me that B.F. is eternally right and that the wires seem to be firmly in place, keeping the rat from behaving in a way it's not supposed to.
 
It was an ad in the mammal section for Bull Mastiff pups. The thread was getting out of hand with people bickering back and forth.
I went in there and made two suggestions, 1. was to take the discussion to the mammal discussion section and 2. I let the starter of the thread know that they can lock (close) their threads.
My suggestions were ignored by the arguers and I got a PM from the ad starter saying thank you and basically they didn't know they can close the thread until I posted and that they were going to delete it and start another.
I saw I was being ignored and that Ed who also posted after me was also being ignored so I PM'ed Rich to see if I can close it myself as I didn't want to do anything against the rules. This was yesterday that I PMed Rich, he was not on, I saw later that the arguing still continued on this ad and that Ken came on and more bluntly told them to stop and take it to the proper place or they will get warned.
Whether they stopped or not today I do not know as I have been out. I am thinking that the originator of the ad did delete it only because they told me in a PM that they were going to.
Up until last night when Ken posted our warnings and suggestions were ignored.
 
To answer a few questions, the thread in question was a classified ad in the mammal section. The ad, IIRC, was for bull mastiff puppies. A question was asked regarding certification of the sire & dam's hips, and then all hell broke loose.

Ed and the other mods who initially handled the matter were being rather lenient, given the thread was heated. Parties on both sides were instructed to take the argument to either the mammal BOI or the Dog discussion forum. This request was ignored, and it was at that time that warnings were issued. As I told another person involved in the fracas, the warnings were handed out to people on both side of the issue. All in all, I levied warnings on about ten posts in that thread before locking it, to give you an idea of the direction it had headed.

Now, it seems that the person who posted the ad has deleted it. Ordinarily, such deletes would be "soft" if memory serves me correctly. For some reason or another, this one seems to have been physically removed and is inaccessible to me. I imagine this is an oversight in the permissions set for the non-reptile classified sections, but I need to get with Rich about that matter.
 
I can understand the fact that it was the wrong place in the forum for a debate, but I am sorry I do not feel I was being offensive in any way shape or form. I think that getting a warning point for a civilized debate is wrong, is this forum so overly sensitive that even without being rude, mean and unkind you still get points. The starter of that thread was debating back and forth as well, and at no time did they say stop commenting, leave me alone. If they had said that then I would of dropped it, I was only trying to educate them regarding the topic. My warning points say I was being "abusive" please show me where and at what point? Is a forum not for discussion?
 
That is exactly the point here! you choose to ignore the requests to take it to an appropriate forum for discussion, you continued your......discussion on that for sale ad. the 2 points you recieved was very lenient. Im so sorry if you feel singled out for your bad behavior.
Agentspades said:
Is a forum not for discussion?
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I dont feel singled out, I just wanted to to understand what those points were for as I do not feel that I was out of line. But I guess thats how it is so no point to complain and argue about this as well, lol.
 
That just goes to show you, no one is immune from warning points.

If you feel sorry for me because of the heavy load of warning points that I carry around......Show some Love, and rep me. :thumbsup:
Agentspades said:
Just wanted to add I read all of your points Mr.Clark and now I do not feel so bad.
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Sorry Marina, that little red box is your reputation here, I dont believe you can give out good rep when your in the negative like that. Oh well... just smile and be happy. :D
Agentspades said:
Whats rep me?
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