Watch Out For Corey Kingsbury Of Kingsbury Exotics!!!

[sunbakedherps]

Thats great darin, you wouldnt buy anything from me, Im not trying to sell anything here. If you look back, my original post just simply was retracting my good guy post. I apolagized for exagerating on that post.
I am not selling anything nor am I asking for anyone to buddy up and take sides. I personally could care less what the outcome of all this is. It's a done deal between Upstate and I, despite their claims of legal action.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Just a reminder to tone down on the ad hominem, folks.

 

[Wilomn]

Corey, you're not looking good here. If you took animals from me, whether on consignment or just with a promise to pay later, then no matter what happened to them, you would be responsible to me for the value of those animals. Whether they died, disappeared, were stolen or were sold, you would owe me for them once they left my premises with you.

Please post pictures of your decomposing animals, they won't be too gross to see and some of us will be able to I D them even if they are badly decomposed.

Frankly, at this point, with your attitude towards upchuck, I am not putting 100% faith in you either. You may or may not care, you may or may not be in the reptile selling business anymore. That really doesn't matter, as you like to say. What does matter is that you exaggerated(lied) about your relationship with upchuck, took animals that you say were with you in one set of circumstance and upchuck(another proven liar) says went with you in another set of circumstances. I would like to believe you mostly because they are scum. However, the may be scum that is right in this instance. And if they are right, whether or not I like them is of no relevance. You are not helping your case with your attitude.

So, now you are in it pretty thick and you walked yourself in there all on your own. Please post proof of the deaths you had.

And if you took animals from them, much as it pains me to say it, if the deal was they were your responsibility and part of that responsibility is to pay for them whatever happens so long as they are in your possesion. That is how consignment works and also how the pay as they are sold thing works as well, which as far as I can tell is the deal you had with them.

You took the animals, you were responsible for them, you, much as I hate to say it, owe them. Yuck, got to go brush my teeth now.

Wes Pollock

 

[UpstateExotics1]

I keep losing power!!

I get half way through with my post and keep losing power...so please bear with me as I try to post!

Corey said we told him Brandon was harassing us...NOT TRUE! If it wasn't for Brandon calling us, we would never have know Corey was trying to screw us over.

He says he hasn't done business with us in the past, that he exacggerated...another lie.

Here's our original corresponance with Corey on 5/23:

okay sal, I came up with a list and some aprox prices. take the whole group
if you want! I know you have a bunch of suff I want. I want to hook up with
you as soon as sunday if thats not too soon for you. anyways,heres the list
and I look forward to checking out your revised site tomorrow. later,corey

orange female columbian redtail with connected tail saddles,aprox 5' $200 orange male columbian around 5' $150 1.1 diadem rat snakes proven $150 1.1 adult nelsons milks 100% het for albino $200 nice adult male bearded $85 1.1 albino corns $125 nile monitor $75 blackthroat $150 baby columbians $100 each (stop laughing sal.lol)

hey sal, I was just wondering if the het for albino is 100%. does it have paperwork? sexed? thanks alot man. Cant wait to swap some herps. I checked out on a map and your about 3 hours from here. not bad at all. I am sure we will be doing alot of business. later,corey

He and Themla even came with us to our friend's zoo b/c he wanted prairie dogs.

Then on 5/25 he wrote:

Hey there sal, we are home and everything looks great. The little female prairie is VERY scared but I think she will be okay. The boy literally wants to be held constantly. Im so amazed he's so tame. Toby has already started talking to my children. Hes a real nice bird, Im sure hes found a permenant
home, the whole family is happy with that one. Well anyways, I just wanted to let you guys know we made it and everything good. I did forget my notebook at your house, If you could put it aside I will just get it next time(I dont remember if theres anything important).I want to give you a reference,where would be the best place for this? faunaclassifieds?lol. do you have a section on your site or kingsnake.com?thanks again man,corey

Also, in regards to Corey's website he never paid me for, here's the original email he sent to that:

Hey sal, I was wondering if I could get a price quote from your wife on my web design and hosting. I want basically the same catagories as your site. just an easy break down with catagories,pics,links etc,etc,etc. If at all possible I want the web address petsnakes.com if it hasnt been taken. I dont
know what kind of details she will need but just let me know what to do.
thanks again,corey

Then the day they came here I talked with him about the site. We spoke on the phone, he sent emails for the site, and took the domain name snakesandlizards.com b/c petsnakes.com was taken. Never got paid for that either!

Also, just a little something Corey sent us, about how HE deals with customers:

I just had a deal go south and thought I would ask your opinion on it. This guy came to me via email and asked if I wanted to trade my 1.1 adult tiger rats for the milk snakes I sold you. I agreed and we shipped. I was happy,he and I spoke via email both saying we were perfectly happy with our new snakes. 2 weeks later I get a kind of nasty email from him saying the male
tiger is missing scales on its head(sore) he had been treating it with neosporin and it had moved into its eye.He sputtered that he doesnt see how I didnt notice it before shipping. I kindly emailed him and apolagized, asked for my snakes back and offered an animal of equal value. I hadnt shipped out the replacement animal yet and the tiger rats got here today.
the female still looked fine but the male looks like s**t. The top of its head is missing most its scales and its eye is f****n toasted. The whole snake looks dull and [bleep]ty,nothing like what I sent. I think Im going to tell him to piss off and not ship him anything. he obviously cant care for his herps and I dont feel like killing anymore of my animals by sending them to him. well anyways, drop me a line and tell me what you think. I feel like [bleep] about this but I dont think Im wrong. I also inclosed before and after
pics of the snake. I also need to know what weekend the children will be up so we can make the trip. thanks,corey

We always had constant contact with Corey either by phone or email...until I heard he was trying to screw us over, then we heard NOTHING from him.

On 6/19 we sent him an email joking about how we left a message for him and he didn't call us back...he even wrote:

THATS WHAT I SAY DAMN IT!!!!!!! LOL anyways,give me a ring when you get a chance. I am gonna need some more herps soon. I noticed the fuana paranhas have let up for a bit. I totally wish I was a computer hacker. Cant we find a hacker to destroy that sight???? lol well anyways,talk to you later,corey

After this is when he made the deal to get the animals on consignment, then the fun began.

 

[Stardust]

LOL Wes, you are too funny. I too am under the impression upstate is owed as well. Even though there isn't much here, between this thread and the other thread, those emails just dont go along with what you are saying Corey, which means lies, and this time it does not look like it is on the side of upstate. Corey if you do have some other proof, I do encourage you to find a way to get it on here.
As far as the power going out, I fully believe that, all my family members in Detroit and Lansing areas do not have any power and it has gone all the way to parts of NY as well.

 

[gila7150]

Upstate, Since your posting emails, I'd like to see your email response to Corey when he sought your advice on whether to screw his customer or not.

Did you tell him he should ship a replacement animal as promised or did you tell him to back out on his promise?
Could we see the email response from you guys?

 

[UpstateExotics1]

lol stardust....this power is killing me! I do all this with quoting, etc, checking back in posts, get it all written up (you know how the train of thought thing works) then *poof* power outage.

 

[UpstateExotics1]

Chris:

We never discussed it with Corey actually, it wasn't my place to get involved with HIS customer, especially since he was going to screw him over too (like I needed that ON TOP of my own BOI problems).

However I did get an email from that customer direct:

Hi, Im the guy that traded Corey Kingsbury these nelsons your selling for the tiger rats. I sent back the tiger rats because the male had an infection on his head and they both werent tame as proclaimed. Corey is coming to your place next weekend to get something else for me. I like the chain kings, chihuaua mtn. king and the albino banana. He said he didnt want to spend $250.00 for a pair of chains so I said I would take the other two for$220.00. He probably allready has talked with you but I was wondering if you could hang on to them for me. I really would prefer a pair of chain kings. Could you possibly come down to $220..and hang on to those instead. I paid $250.00 for those nelsons but ended up acquiring more then I needed. They came from a physician in new york , Tom Chiang, MD ([email protected] ) Thanks for your consideration. Paul Rothenbach

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We told Corey about this email he sent and he said he would handle it. So since Corey never picked up chain kings, I cannot tell you how that ended up.

 

[HerpVenue]

Everyone is asking for proof of dead animals.

What will that prove? That the animals are dead. Whoopty do.

No matter what happens. Whether it was consignment like upstate says or whether it was borrowed or whatever it is corey thinks.....In the end he got animals from upstate. They died in his care.....then refuses to pay for them.


So okay. it was not on consignment. Maybe I missed it.
was it on breeding loan.
Was it a "let me sell it for you and I will give you your share" in other words consignment.
Was it a "let me sell your animals for you and I wont give you any money" in other words stealing.

What was it exactly?

You are right. It is NOT consignment.
Taking animals that belong to someone else that you picked out yourself. Then selling those animals or having them die in your care. Then returning the rest that did not die or did not get sold. Then not giving them ANY money is DEFINATELY NOT consignment.


Hey corey. How about sending me some animals......I will either sell them or have them die in my care. And as a payment to you ...I will write up a bad guy thread. Would you go for it?

 

[Wilomn]

Here's my thinking on the request for pictures. If corey can produce said pictures of the animals he got from upstate, then he didn't sell them and pocket the money. If he can't produce said pictures, then to me it is most likely that he did indeed sell those animals and keep the money. I just want a clearer picture of what kind of guy corey is.

He took some animals from them, whatever the deal was, upstate was supposed to be paid for them, and weren't. I'm just curious as to exactly what kind guy corey actually is. Since he has stated a couple of times that he has those animals buried in his yard, he should be able to show them. If he can't then that may well be another lie. How low will he go keeps going through my mind. I sort of hope he can post them but have a sinking feeling that we'll be hearing something like they were too decomposed to photograph or he couldn't find them in the yard or his dog ate them.

That's my reasoning for the request.

Wes Pollock

 

[collector]

HI
I normally try to stay away from such post, but i have to say
i have made a trade with upstate last spring. the trade went very well. the anery was very well represented and in very good condition.
don't misconstrude i'm taking sides. just that my one and only deal with sal went very smooth.
on the other hand i have also delt with twinstate reptiles and
i got burned. we also did a trade but when i recieved my snakes from brandon a 1.2 costal carpets one had A BROKEN BACK IN 2 PLACES. this was my first encounter with costal pythons and he told me she was gravid... so i believed him. well months went by
and no eggs so i took it my vet and had it xrayed. thats when i found out it's back was broken and had her put to sleep. i contacted twin states and was told by andy that it was not his problem because brandon did not work for twin state.
this about twin state is only because he said:

HOW IS THIS MY FAULT I NEVER SCREWED ANYONE OVER AND DONT OWE ANYONE MONEY. BOY I CAN TELL YOU REALLY DID YOUR REASEARCH MAN . MAYBE YOU BETTER DO A LITTLE MORE

PAY MY DUES?? I DONT OWE ANYONE ANYTHING ! MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO READ THE WHOLE STORY A LITTLE BETTER BUDDY
so how does it feel brandon??
ric morales

 

[sunbakedherps]

Well, I spent half the day digging up these nasty reptiles. They were in a really large spot with no grass so it took a bit to find them. I have most of the animals here all laid out, Most everything is identifiable especially the peachthroat. The collerd lizards were almost completley decomposed, I can just make out pieces in the bag. This is definatly the most morbid thing Ive ever had to do.
I will take some pics of these animals and a pic of some stuff I still have frozen. I am still having problems with windows 98 and my digital cam so I will go to a friends house tonight and post them.
As for the deal with Paul Rothenbach,He and I speak often,when I wrote that email, I was very angry and was looking for advice from a "friend". Paul is a good guy and we actually just spoke last night, he will be getting a couple of my baby redtails this next week. I recieved a pair of milksnakes from him that were perfect.
So as I said in my previous post, The deal with Upstate is a done deal. They will not recieve anything more from me in any way. They sent me home with misrepresented animals by telling me they were captive bred and born and that everything was parasite free. that is misrepresentation. The w.c. animals died and Upstate was notified. say what ever you want,judge me however you wish, but I am done dealing with this. I have gone out of my way to "dig up" proof and I will go out of my way to post the pics but then I am all done.

 

[HerpVenue]

So as I said in my previous post, The deal with Upstate is a done deal. They will not recieve anything more from me in any way. They sent me home with misrepresented animals by telling me they were captive bred and born and that everything was parasite free. that is misrepresentation. The w.c. animals died and Upstate was notified. say what ever you want,judge me however you wish, but I am done dealing with this. I have gone out of my way to "dig up" proof and I will go out of my way to post the pics but then I am all done.

So you went to upstate to pick out in person some animals.
You did not pay for those animals.
They died in your care.
And you refuse to pay for them.
GOT IT !!!!

 

[Stardust]

Oh my Gosh Corey,
Speaking for me, that is not what I meant. I thought in your post you said you froze them. I was hoping you could produce something from that time frame in pics. Or if you can produce the invoice you talked about, or produce something substantial.
I am sorry you went through that, when I lost my uro, that prospect of digging him back up to take a pic of the underneath was not something I wanted to do.
I was under the impression from your post that you had them frozen and/or had just buried them from the freezer.

 

[sputnik]

Is very sad the animals died, but if upstate exoitcs have been ripped here... then THEY DESERVE EVERY THING THEY GET!

What goes around, comes around!

 

[sunbakedherps]

ritchie, you missed something here. If you read my original post with the breakdown on numbers and you will see that the original animals were bought and paid for. If you read the list you will see that I subtracted the animals that died from the original batch from the total. Therefor I wouldnt owe them anything. But in one way you are right. when a company tries to screw me by selling me garbage and everything dies, no Im not paying for it. where is my componsation for all the original animals that died?So I owe them for the stuff that died unpaid for but they owe me nothing for the original dead animals? I also forgot about the 5 green iguanas that all died right after getting them home. I have a pic of all of them dead and froze. thats another $50 that just goes unaccounted for? He was keeping the green iguanas in a large dark blue sterilite container with no light or air, there was even white fungus on the branches in there. I did pick out five becouse they had incredible color and looked lively. I got the remainder from a different batch he had in a decent cage, they all did well and were sold to happy customers. Anyways, Im gonna leave this alone and I will post the discusting pics for you all later this afternoon.

 

[sputnik]

HMMMMMMMMM

He was keeping the green iguanas in a large dark blue sterilite container with no light or air, there was even white fungus on the branches in there. I did pick out five becouse they had incredible color and looked lively.

I guess you would be then re-selling these to the public?

If so, this would highlight two things.

1. Upstate's lack of husbandry and care for animals.

2. The quality of animals you then re-sell.

I would not of picked anything from those conditions you mentioned, but you did!

I also forgot about the 5 green iguanas that all died right after getting them home.

It's amazing all these animals that just died in your care, just after you got home! Were there any vet reports on why they died?

Most people know upstate are a haven for parasites, a vet report would help you determin that it was not your fault.

Because without some vet report input, it looks like some pretty bad care on your behalf. That's just what people might think reading through this, I am not saying you didn't care for these animals, but perceptions do stick a little.

But I personally think a vet report is a must here if I were in your shoes.

I would be making sure people knew I was NOT to blame.

 

[sunbakedherps]

no problem

I will call my vet and I am sure he will be glad to verify. I brought the collerd lizards and savanahs right after getting them home, he gave me the wormer and figured up the proper dosage. I will get this for you guys right away. Can I take a pic of it and post? I dont have a scanner. I have been caring for reptiles most of my life. This year I successfully bred redtail boas and leopard geckos. I take excellent care of my animals and take a great deal of pride in them. I would be more then happy to invite ANYONE to look over my place. I would also be willing to take pics of my racks, cages, etc. I have nothing to hide. Why dont you ask Allison if she was happy with the animals she got from me? My wife will be home soon and I will go get those pics out. I will also contact my vet right away.

 

[sunbakedherps]

I forgot to address one more thing for scott. What would make you think I would have sold those iguanas that died? I quarentine my animals, make sure they are parasite free and healthy before resale. I did however make the exception with the three toed box turtles but the customer was made well aware and she didnt put them up for sale immediatly.

(quote)

I guess you would be then re-selling these to the public?


If so, this would highlight two things.

1. Upstate's lack of husbandry and care for animals.

2. The quality of animals you then re-sell. ell is local and I couldnt get away with selling sick animals. (quote)

 

[Darin Chappell]

Corey says, "What would make you think I would have sold those iguanas that died? I quarentine my animals, make sure they are parasite free and healthy before resale."

What would make someone think that, Corey??? I don't know, how about this snippet from an email you sent to Upstate Exotics to complain about a deal gone south?

"This guy came to me via email and asked if I wanted to trade my 1.1 adult tiger rats for the milk snakes I sold you. I agreed and we shipped. I was happy,he and I spoke via email both saying we were perfectly happy with our new snakes. 2 weeks later . . ."

You were talking about a deal that had taken place two weeks prior to your email to Sal, yet in that email you referred to the milk snakes you sold him . . .the same milk snakes YOU HAD JUST GOTTEN!

Wow! That is some quarentine program you have there, Corey! You can make certain that animals are parasite free, healthy, and ready for resale within fourteen days!

Nah, I can't IMAGINE why anyone would think you were planning on reselling those iguanas right away . . .