Info Watch out I got screwed BY Corsi Morphs

[acorsi]

There was a time when I'd have taken that as an insult. However, I've spent enough time reading the BOI to know that for what it is. Scammer speak that's loosely translated to: "Stop paying such close attention that you'll notice my lies". If I must be lumped in with someone, I'd MUCH rather it be Lucille, than the likes of you.

Dan guys like you are in every hobby... TROLL... Just go away!

 

[python princess]

I would really like to get the tracking number for this snake I have now asked for it via text, email, and now here

 

[acorsi]

Angelo...that attitude you are dipping into is going to do you more harm than good =/ Take a breath and try not to make things worst for yourself for stupid reasons. Just a thought.[/QUOT


Willow thanks for the advice.. You are 100% right!! But some times you just need to show people like Dan and Lucille that it shouldn't be a personal thing like they are making it out to be..

 

[Fangthane]

My interpretation of that same text is she was trying to pull the wool over unique's eyes and when he "informed" her she acted angry and indignant to cover her own deceit.

Don't forget that she has been pro oven in several lies in this thread so far. I just wouldn't trust either of them.

Which somewhat falls apart when you realize that it was Unique that contacted her to initiate their pending transaction. Again, your own interpretation seems based on the premise that Corsi's word means anything, and that he did tell her over the phone. You'd have to believe him, before coming to the conclusion that she was lying to Unique.

I'm now operating under the assumption neither of their direct answers to us can be believed. And, as stated, I think the context clues strongly suggest that she didn't know about the fertility issues.

There's a whole causality aspect that some are ignoring. Had the listing openly stated that the Desert couldn't be bred, there's no reason for me to think that the OP would have made her bid, and this thread subsequently wouldn't exist.

The TOS listed mentions nothing about "breedable"(sp?) animals, only "deformed" animals. I guess this TOS is open to interpretation.....
Is an animal normally classified as "deformed" simply because it cannot breed?

I suppose it is open to some degree of interpretation. But let's be blunt. It's all about cashing in on the BP morph of the month craze. As such, if something can't be bred, that pretty much leaves "pet only".

 

[acorsi]

I would really like to get the tracking number for this snake I have now asked for it via text, email, and now here

Is this your email? [email protected]

 

[Fangthane]

Dan guys like you are in every hobby... TROLL... Just go away!

"Guys like me"? If you mean guys that haven't misrepresented snakes so they'd sell for more money, and who haven't felt the need to create accounts to hide behind fake names, then I agree with you. There are "guys like me" out there, who aren't looking to take advantage of people. Sadly, I don't think you're one of us.

 

[radera5]

We could debate all day on who thinks it's a health issue, or deformity, but the fact is they don't breed and when they try, many times there are serious consequences. So, of course we are going to all get tied up on specific wording and opinions on whether to add the info or not when really it should be obvious IMO. Spiders with a serious wobble should be noted, kinks should be noted, duckbills, and Desert female infertility. Instead though, we can all just hope for the best and keep having to read these types of threads and tell newbies sorry for not googleing "Desert Ball Python".

I think Dan pretty much pointed out why I feel it should be obvious.
A Desert that can't breed is a what? Not a breeder or an investment. That leaves a Pet. <----Simple.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Which somewhat falls apart when you realize that it was Unique that contacted her to initiate their pending transaction. Again, your own interpretation seems based on the premise that Corsi's word means anything, and that he did tell her over the phone. You'd have to believe him, before coming to the conclusion that she was lying to Unique.
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Honestly I don't trust either of them. Angelo is shady and underhanded. Jodie is a lying indecisive and underhanded flake. She has been proven herself to have lied many times and we haven't caught him quite ( yes I said quite because it just might happen yet) caught him lying yet. So for me he still has a little more clout when it comes to the he said she said. Again this is just my personal opinion.

 

[python princess]

Is this your email? [email protected]

Yes it is

 

[rosebud945]

Honestly I don't trust either of them. Angelo is shady and underhanded. Jodie is a lying indecisive and underhanded flake. She has been proven herself to have lied many times and we haven't caught him quite ( yes I said quite because it just might happen yet) caught him lying yet. So for me he still has a little more clout when it comes to the he said she said. Again this is just my personal opinion.

Mine too. The story about pay pal that he related seemed too convoluted to have been made up and it fit with the impression that I have gotten about Jodie, and he seemed sincere when he related it. Beyond that, I can't say. Sometimes the truth becomes very clear after a few to several pages into a BOI thread. This ain't one of those times and isn't likely to be.

 

[Focal]

However, by my interpretation of the context clues, the OP's strong reaction to being informed, by Unique, about the fact that the Desert female can't be bred.

My interpretation of that same text is she was trying to pull the wool over unique's eyes and when he "informed" her she acted angry and indignant to cover her own deceit.


Don't forget that she has been pro oven in several lies in this thread so far. I just wouldn't trust either of them.

That was the first thing that came to my mind too.

I'm not tripping over anything, no matter how much your lack of comprehension may lead you to believe that I am. If you have some reason to want to put the "hush" on, and sweep lies under the rug, that's on you, and says something about you, I think. He's still "harping" on the premise that she he made her aware of it, so should that not actively be contested, when it seems contextually unlikely?

It's a conspiracy Dan!

 

[Fangthane]

Honestly I don't trust either of them. Angelo is shady and underhanded. Jodie is a lying indecisive and underhanded flake. She has been proven herself to have lied many times and we haven't caught him quite ( yes I said quite because it just might happen yet) caught him lying yet. So for me he still has a little more clout when it comes to the he said she said. Again this is just my personal opinion.

Guess you missed this big one that he blithely allowed everyone to believe, and only bothers to mention wasn't actually the case, today, when someone questioned whether or not it arrived yet.

David refund is done!....

And there's also this one, which isn't entirely true, either. "Not as described" and "Non-receipt" aren't the "same reason".

No sooner did they release the funds for 15 minutes, jodie went back on to PayPal and reopened another claim for the same reason putting the money back into PayPal hands to hold.

I know, that last one is getting a little nit-picky, but why shouldn't he be held to the same standards as the OP? It just seems extremely odd to consider every word that the OP says as suspect (and rightfully so), yet be so quick to buy into statements that are made by someone who has a documented history of shady dealings.

 

[Fangthane]

It's a conspiracy Dan!

Clearly, the distinction is lost on you, but your own views are no less based in a "conspiracy theory" mindset than my own. Way to take a page from your buddy's playbook. In the absence of anything worthwhile to say, just make it into a joke.

 

[Lucille]

I think both parties would be happy as two little clams if the thread were deflected away from them. While I have nothing in general against happy clams, these two don't deserve a warm beach, maybe we shouldn't give them one.

 

[PsycHD_Student]

Seller doesn't disclose important info on the breeding status of the morph in the ad, which is arguably unethical, but definitely against the TOS rules of auction group. No question about that, just is facts. Buyer1 seemed to have cold feet after auction close for unknown reasons, and tries to flip snake.

Buyer1 finds out from potential buyer2 that snake has potential issues... which may have been known before she tried to flip the snake, but after the auction. We don't know really why buyer1 wanted to flip the snake.

Buyer1 wants refund, and puts in claim through paypal the same day she posts BOI. Then, continues with claim even after she waits for a refund. Hopefully she meant through paypal, where she had already placed a claim. If not, then that was shady. He did tell her that the bank was going to cut her a check, and she kind of lied repeatedly, made up multiple excuses, and has tried to the thread instead of stating the truth-- which if she would have, it would have gone in her favor completely. But... she has been super wishy-washy about the facts and has stretched the truth multiple times.

Honey, you can't stretch it anymore than it already is stretched. Its about to bust like a stretch armstrong doll.

Then seller has issues with returning payment to buyer1 because of a second claim thats placed through paypal. Then he negates his promise to refund, and says he will be shipping the snake anyway due to the headache of the paypal claim situation.

Seller should have disclosed the information in the ad, but didn't. He probably didn't read the TOS of the auction group. I doubt that most participants do. It could have been an honest mistake, and he may not have thought about potential noobs buying a desert female. Without a reserve near $1000 or more, he probably didn't expect to get the same price as a male-- like many desert breeders do.

*Soap box alert*

I can say I would possibly buy a desert male because they're awesome, but I would never sell a female anywhere near the price of a male. Honestly, when I see breeders raise the price of a het desert female, I have to question, "why?".

In the end, there should have been better communication on both sides of the deal. The seller should have been in better contact during the refund process, and the buyer should have been more transparent through the process. This would have likely prevented the problem from gaining so much momentum.

Ending of story: They both did shady stuff and were also both likely ignorant of important information. I believe they'll learn from the experience. But don't miss it... I wouldn't do business with either one of them personally. However, these may have been a series of unfortunate events, ending in resentment and strongly held negative emotions.

 

[KORBIN5895]

Good post Nicholas. Except you missed the parts where she lied. She didn't just stretch the truth she flat out lied which again makes anything else she said have a lot of doubt cast about it.

 

[acorsi]

Well, this looks like a familiar hissy fit from you. True, I don't have a number in parentheses that says I've done business with people who happened to be paid members, and capable of leaving trader ratings. Would you like to know what else I don't have? Unlike you, I've never had to hide behind multiple usernames to avoid the fallout from my Bad Guy threads on the BOI. Since, unlike you, I have none.

Nor do I have any INFO threads, like this current thread, or like the following, that seems to show you pretending to be someone else. In a way, thhe last two posts in that thread seem to bear a striking resemblance to this current thread..

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135831&highlight=corsi



It's an interesting and noteworthy coincidence that being a part of a negative BOI thread about you seems to be a quick way of finally getting your attention.

Or how about this Bad Guy thread, where you misrepresented a snake to increase it's value. Sounds kinda like a familiar trick for you, if one were inclined to view leaving out vital information on genetic flaws as a misrepresentation:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107846&highlight=corsi

You can cry like a baby, call us watch dogs or sharks all you want, rationalize it any way you want to. However, it's people like you who help justify our vigilance. Where there's smoke, there's douche..err..I mean fire, and I think I see some smoke signals coming from the New England area. The OP may have made herself out to be a total flake, and well-deserving of her place on "The List", but I think you belong right there beside her.

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[acorsi]

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No "reaching" at all, here, pal. Always interesting to note how shady people always give the most important imformation over the phone, when there's absolutely no way to verify it. Regardless of whether or not you actually did disclose the Desert female breeding issues over the phone (which I highly doubt), you didn't state it in your auction. That, in and of itself, is all that really matters. Your initial violation of the auction page's TOS, negates any responsibility the OP had to complete the transaction, I believe. You obviously knew that it couldn't be bred, which puts it firmly in the "pets only" catagory, and which puts you in the position of having to disclose the issue. Which you didn't, at least not in a any way which would put you in compliance with the TOS that you agreed to by posting your auction.

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[acorsi]

There was a time when I'd have taken that as an insult. However, I've spent enough time reading the BOI to know that for what it is. Scammer speak that's loosely translated to: "Stop paying such close attention that you'll notice my lies". If I must be lumped in with someone, I'd MUCH rather it be Lucille, than the likes of you.

I guess on the BOI some name calling is ok and some name are just not tolerated!! LOL

 

[acorsi]

Honestly I don't trust either of them. Angelo is shady and underhanded. Jodie is a lying indecisive and underhanded flake. She has been proven herself to have lied many times and we haven't caught him quite ( yes I said quite because it just might happen yet) caught him lying yet. So for me he still has a little more clout when it comes to the he said she said. Again this is just my personal opinion.

Sorry one more i missed!!