Wendy Griffin- HORRIBLE WOMAN!

[dragonflyreptiles]

ARE THEY????

And BTW, at least the beardies I am selling are HEALTHY (as can be easily seen by the many photos I posted), and not dehydrated and starved nasties like you tried to trade with the person who originated this thread.

Are they really Aprylla, I mean really, if you support the idea that my 8 month old that was 150 grams should be 250 grams then your adults are surely suffered at 220-236 grams?

So was mine up to par on weight or is yours drastically underweight, it can only be one way or the other, not both as you seem to think!

 

[Kakadu]

Please stop trying to cast the focus off of yourself. I looked at the ppictures of the dragons Aprylla is selling and they are alert and have nice thick tail bases and muscles. Dragons slow down on thier growth at about 7-9 months old. During the first months they grow like crazy adding up to an inch a week at peak growth periods. They gain weight very very quickly. But this all slows once they reach about 7 months and they stop the size race and start to mature instead. These dragons that you are referencing are UNDER A YEAR OLD, as stated in the ads. That puts then just a few months older then your dragon and DOUBLE his weight. DRAGONS SHOULD NOT DOUBLE IN SIZE BETWEEN 8 AND 10 MONTHS. How can you seriously not see how think the tail bases and the legs are on her dragons? How can you not see that they are alert unlike the dull eyed, barly alive creature you showd us?

If you had just said you screwed up in the beginning and you were sorry nobody would have paid attention to this thread. But you can't see the big picture here. Imagine we are talking about a dog, an animal everyone can tell when it is in bad shape. Say you posted a picture of a dog who was all skin and bones with his ribs jutting out, his hair falling out and patchy, and dull lifeless eyes. And imagine saying you sent that dog off and it died and you think it is the other persons fault. Everyone who looks at this dog can see it was dying. If you had just said you were sorry and let it drop then nobody would have though twice about it. If you had pointed out that Tokay had not lost any money in the transactions and you were willing to forget the whole thing it would have not even hurt your business I bet. But your CRAZY off the handle responses, your inability to see that you are to blame, and your attacks on everyone else have made it clear to any prospective buyer that transactions with you are very risky. If something goes wrong you are going to be unwilling to admit you are wrong without 50 people telling you, and even then you are just going to try to point out that other people are wrong too, so that makes it ok.
You bought animals which makes you totally responsible for their well-being. You didn't even take the time to research animals that were totally in your care and totally dependant upon you for every aspect of their care. You don't know what to feed them, how to give them water, how they should grow and be housed. THESE ARE LIVING CREATURES. If you can not take the time to learn how to care for them then DON'T buy them. AND CERTAINLY DON'T BREED THEM. How can you buy animals to BREED without knowing how to care for them?????
Dragon eggs are the easiest thing in the world to incubate. You drop them in the vermiculite, put them inthe incubator, and leave them alone for 2 months. If you can mess that up then you don't need to own animals. But thank goodness they didn't hatch.
THe more you talk the worse you look. Please stop. It is getting painful to watch.

 

[Tom Chambers]

THANK YOU KAKADU! You are right on the money here.

The other thing that COMPLETELY boggles my mind is why she would blow away her reputation for a $30 animal. APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS DISSATISFACTION, REPLACE IT AND MAKE IT RIGHT AND MOVE ON ALREADY!

That is not to say that an animals life is any more or less "important" because of it's value, but let's face it....there's really NOTHING to this whole whizzin' match if the Beardie was replaced with a HEALTHY animal.

Amazing to me how much time people will waste on such things. Suck it up when you make a mistake and do what you can to right the wrong.....we all make 'em!

TC

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

THANK YOU KAKADU! You are right on the money here.

The other thing that COMPLETELY boggles my mind is why she would blow away her reputation for a $30 animal. APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS DISSATISFACTION, REPLACE IT AND MAKE IT RIGHT AND MOVE ON ALREADY!

That is not to say that an animals life is any more or less "important" because of it's value, but let's face it....there's really NOTHING to this whole whizzin' match if the Beardie was replaced with a HEALTHY animal.

Amazing to me how much time people will waste on such things. Suck it up when you make a mistake and do what you can to right the wrong.....we all make 'em!

TC

This was a trade, he did not send me the leo so there was nothing to replace.

If he had sent the leo as agreed, I would have bent over backwards to make him happy but he received the dragon on Wed, wanted to wait til Monday to ship the leo, decided Saturday to send the dragon back instead and the dragon died Sunday night.

I never received my end of the trade to need to replace anything.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

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Dragon eggs are the easiest thing in the world to incubate. You drop them in the vermiculite, put them inthe incubator, and leave them alone for 2 months. If you can mess that up then you don't need to own animals. But thank goodness they didn't hatch.
THe more you talk the worse you look. Please stop. It is getting painful to watch. [/B]

I had problems with the humidity in the incubator and the vermiculite drying out

As the eggs became bad I cut open each egg and none of the ones that did not hatch appeared to be fertile, they were filled with a watery fluid, no veins or anything showing a dragon was ever in the egg.

I hatched 2 out of the 12 and sold them with no problems.

 

[riverjop]

Wendy!

Wendy...stop while your ahead! (in your mind)...It's time to move on!

 

[Wilomn]

I had problems with the humidity in the incubator and the vermiculite drying out

Most folks use a closed incubator, an area that is NOT open to the elements. Since you seem to have so few clues about reptile husbandry in general I will NOT assume that you used a similar device to what most of us who breed would consider acceptable.

My point here is this, if your incubator was DEHYDRATING, this supposedly enclosed high moisture environment, don't you think your larger lizards might be suffering from a loss of moisture as well? Wasn't one of the problems with the dragon DEHYDRATION? The answer is YES, and then YES again.

I really didn't think it was possible for you to dig yourself any deeper and yet, here you go again.

 

[Tom Chambers]

Wendy, a trade is still a business transaction. You failed your end by sending an unhealthy Dragon. A replacement Dragon would have held up your end so that Daniel may have shipped the Gecko.

THE DRAGON WASN'T HEALTHY WHEN IT LEFT YOUR PLACE.....THIS OCCURRED BEFORE YOU EVEN KNEW THAT THE GECKO WAS NOT SHIPPING AT THE SAME TIME AS YOUR ANIMAL AND YOU WANNA BLAME THE OTHER GUY FOR NOT SHIPPING HIS GECKO?

You just don't get it, do ya?

tc

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Most folks use a closed incubator, an area that is NOT open to the elements. Since you seem to have so few clues about reptile husbandry in general I will NOT assume that you used a similar device to what most of us who breed would consider acceptable.

My point here is this, if your incubator was DEHYDRATING, this supposedly enclosed high moisture environment, don't you think your larger lizards might be suffering from a loss of moisture as well? Wasn't one of the problems with the dragon DEHYDRATION? The answer is YES, and then YES again.

I really didn't think it was possible for you to dig yourself any deeper and yet, here you go again.

I used a Hova Bator

 

[ldydrgn]

The best resolution to the incubator problem is to get a fish box (what fish are shipped to pet stores in). It's twice as deep as the original Hovabator bottom, therefore the eggs aren't sitting DIRECTLY under the heating element. A damp paper towel placed over the eggs and redampened every evening will also help prevent the eggs from dehydrating. When it gets close to hatching time, place a clear lid over the box or deli-cup the eggs are in and cover any open spaces with a damp paper towel to keep the humidity in.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Wendy, a trade is still a business transaction. You failed your end by sending an unhealthy Dragon. A replacement Dragon would have held up your end so that Daniel may have shipped the Gecko.

THE DRAGON WASN'T HEALTHY WHEN IT LEFT YOUR PLACE.....THIS OCCURRED BEFORE YOU EVEN KNEW THAT THE GECKO WAS NOT SHIPPING AT THE SAME TIME AS YOUR ANIMAL AND YOU WANNA BLAME THE OTHER GUY FOR NOT SHIPPING HIS GECKO?

You just don't get it, do ya?

tc

I had no other dragons to send him, the hypo female that he wanted in replcaement (higher value dragon) had alraedy been traded to someone else.

If he had sent the gecko I would have paid him for it, bought him a reaplacement dragon or returned it, whichever he chose to do.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

The best resolution to the incubator problem is to get a fish box (what fish are shipped to pet stores in). It's twice as deep as the original Hovabator bottom, therefore the eggs aren't sitting DIRECTLY under the heating element. A damp paper towel placed over the eggs and redampened every evening will also help prevent the eggs from dehydrating. When it gets close to hatching time, place a clear lid over the box or deli-cup the eggs are in and cover any open spaces with a damp paper towel to keep the humidity in.

Thank you VERY VERY much for the tip and info!!!

My chameleon eggs incubate at room temps and I have only lost 2 out of 69 eggs in 3 months of incubation with no humidty problems

The leo eggs are doing perfect, all of the fertile eggs have hatched

I wasnt sure if the dragon eggs were fertile since only 2 hatched and the others were filled with a clearish white fluid but I did have a ton of problems with the humidity and the vermiculite drying out.

Thank you so so much!

 

[Bringerofdoom]

just show the vet your original photo. He'll be able to tell you it was sick before it died, and that there was no fat, just like everyone on this board can see.

i agree.

Wendy, you need to stop arguing over this. you cannot see that your own dragon is sick, you seem to have spent more time trying to prove BS stuff than you should be. (wonder how you take care of your lizards when you spend time taking pictures of spoons and finding other reptibidders dragons)

you cant even stick to the same story if you read your post's you contradict the length and wieght of the dragon several times

HERE let me just break it all down for, Whatch out this will kill ya (i will use pictures so you better understand this...)

A 18 inch beardie should be about 10 inches vent to tail and 8 inches vent to nose. Lets just take that max of 4 inches like you claim, this would leave it with a 6 inch tail (you can do math right?)so 8 inch's from nose to vent plus 6 inches for clipped tail equal 14... BUT

from comparing my dragons tail to yours i would say from the thick part it would be about 2 inches of a nip. wait it gets better..

for the sake of argument lets just say this magical spoon is indeed 8 inches, why is the body from snout to vent still smaller than the spoon?

just so you dont say that is your dragon once again i highlighted (green) the abberant tail pattern that would be considered unique, amazingly enough the other one has it too.

the blue highligting in your pic i did to show this beardie is understress to darken its face like that.

the yellow highliting is to show you knife marks that should be used to judge the size of the spoon. which would suggest this is a normal 6-7 inch spoon.

the purple is to show you that even its sides (that do not store the fat) were thin leading me to assume it was alot smaller than you claim.

i still will think that will go over your head somehow.......

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

It is the same dragon but in my August picture he was a ltitle over 5 months old and in full body shed

In Dans pics his head has turned yellow which is not normal

I was told that it was not the same dragons since the head and front legs were yellow in Dans pics

Yellowing of the head and front legs usually means there is a head injury preventing proper blood flow to the front regions of the dragon, my vet can only see if this is the case if I can take int he carcass for an exam

 

[Lynn]

Wendy..
I can not believe you are still responding to this thread..Keep digging. The more you post just shows the less you know..

 

[Lynn]

It is the same dragon but in my August picture he was a ltitle over 5 months old and in full body shed

In Dans pics his head has turned yellow which is not normal

I was told that it was not the same dragons since the head and front legs were yellow in Dans pics

Yellowing of the head and front legs usually means there is a head injury preventing proper blood flow to the front regions of the dragon, my vet can only see if this is the case if I can take int he carcass for an exam

Darn girl..What the h.......What the heck are you talking about..
Are you for real??

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Basking 110-130 Mercury Vapor 160 watts
Diet, veges - Mustard greens, mealworms, squash
Ate about 5 leaves per day, 10-15 worms per day with 2 to 3 slics of squash
Crickets were offered but he preferred mealies as explained to Tokay, his veges need to be filled with mealies for him to eat them

I bought the bulbs in May and bought this dragon in June
110 tank with 3 others (BEFORE I TRADED THEM ALL)

NO - no vet work ever, even told Tokay he had never been to the vet and gave pics and weight before shipping him

ALSO, if he was to weigh 250 grams at 8 months, why do these wiegh less than that as adults?

Ahh i didnt notice you responded to my questions

130 degrees basking?????? WTF??
mealworms??? jesus are you for real?

no mention on calcium supplemnetation either.

And in basic terms he dont eat greens even if you got to put mealies in it for him to hopefully hit and miss to get some greens.

I do resale on most reptiles as staeted on the main page of my site and those are the photos I was supplied for reference.

Your website
It is impossible for us to have an actual photo of every reptile we have for sale, we take as many photos as possible when time permits! You WILL receive an animal as nice if not nicer than the ones shown!
You will be rediteced to The Natural History Mall where our reptile photos are listed by their popular names. The shots are hosted at the Natural History Mall

Odd that you say "our" photos if they are not your photos then..... then you go on to bash that website by trying to say the reptiles you got are better than the pics on the natural history mall's site. im pretty shure out of the almost 10,000 views this thread had had now everyone has a good idea that you are a very untrustworthy person.

i am totally done with this thread.

 

[Wilomn]

It is the same dragon but in my August picture he was a ltitle over 5 months old and in full body shed

In Dans pics his head has turned yellow which is not normal

I was told that it was not the same dragons since the head and front legs were yellow in Dans pics

Yellowing of the head and front legs usually means there is a head injury preventing proper blood flow to the front regions of the dragon, my vet can only see if this is the case if I can take int he carcass for an exam

Please tell us who is the expert you are getting your advice from? A name or place of business would be sincerely appreciated.

And why, after at least a dozen different people have come on here and agreed that you are wrong, do you continue to listen to this person who is so apparently ready willing and able to breathe with their head in the sand?

Just in case that was hard to follow, why do you listen to this person who is going against some well known bigtime breeders? I mean, it's not like some folks have said you were right. No one for real anyway. So why are you so dead set against admitting you were wrong. What is the deal?

 

[E2MacPets]

Dan, I apologize but I am unwilling to read 30+ pages of what is clearly nonsense.


In the X number of days that you had the BD prior to it dying, during which time you evaluated its health and determined it was unfit for your collection, on which day did you bring it to a Vet? What was your Vet's conclusion as to the cause of the BD's ailment? What was the suggested course of treatment?


How many days after recieving the BD did you notify the other party that the trade you had agreed to was off? Was this prior to or after taking the BD to the vet? Prior or after the BD was deceased?



I am also unclear, since the other party has provided us with a picture of the animal that the members here have universally agreed looks quite unhealthy, did you agree to this trade without seeing a picture despite the other party's clear capability and willingness to display a picture?


If you saw this picture and still arranged a trade, then the physical appearance was something you had already found acceptable.
If the animal was showing signs of illness beyond the obvious physical appearance, then you should have a Vet report to show us and end this discussion once and for all.

 

[heartmountain]

LMAO, jesus this had got to be the longest and funniest thread I've ever read. Give it up Wendy, it was obviously a sickly dragon to begin with. Dan may not know much about dragons specifically but I've talked with him in the past and he seems to have a good understanding of reptiles in general and is willing to talk to and listen to people who know and apply that knowlege which is all anybody can ask for. I know for a fact that he asked for help on this one and was given advice by numerous knowlegable people, if that didn't work nothing would. After seeing the pictures of the original dragon it was obviously not well to begin with and NEVER should have been shipped anywhere. I hope you have better luck next time Dan, stick with people you know.

Sean Campbell
www.heartmountainherps.com