Info Wesballpython (Wes Head)

[snakemami]

Response

I am quite disappointed that someone well known as Alanna would take this minor issue to this forum.

Albeit, they are text messages, but I have plenty of irrational and threatening text messages from Alanna that she sent to my brother.

Again, this is a minor issue and I apologize for anyone who takes the time to read this. My brother and I have had many successful deals. Unfortunately, occasionally you come in contact with an irrational individual who feels it necessary to be vindictive when they feel they have been wronged.

In addition, Alanna did not notify me or Wes that this BOI has been started.

I don't feel that this is a minor issue and I have done as aked and provided all of the communication in the last 2 days between Wes and I as well as You and I. Additionally, I have never threatened or been irrational. I was matter of fact in that we had agreed on a trade, you backed out, and I very honestly told you that if you didn't go through with it, I was going to post to the BOI. You said to go ahead and I said I will.. I think that was plenty of notification that I was going to do this.

 

[aleria]

Thanks Alanna for posting these! Saves me time! Although you have deleted off your phone a few messages you sent. In addition, the texts confirm how professional and courteous Wes is!

You confirmed our story. As stated, I understand being a little frustrated but given the circumstance, you were the bully and it is clear in your messages. I will admit that given the situation, the deal seemed final. However, you did not inform Wes of the local buyer. Without informing Wes about the local buyer your argument here holds no water. Like I said, had he agreed to the deal knowing about your local buyer, I would have made him stick to it even though I didn’t agree.

Again, I am sorry you feel the need to post all of this here.

Good luck with your future endeavors!

May want to re-read through the texts on number 4 of 10, that is where she told him he had until early the next morning to make the final decision as she had someone local that already wanted her, but that she would turn them down if he really wanted to make the deal.

 

[CSJ2010]

May want to re-read through the texts on number 4 of 10, that is where she told him he had until early the next morning to make the final decision as she had someone local that already wanted her, but that she would turn them down if he really wanted to make the deal.

I am man enough to admit that I did not see that text when I was reading through. It definitly appears that Wes was going to do the deal. He made the mistake of doing so most likely becasue he didnt want to loose the snake. Regardless, he tried to get ahold of me Tuesday evening but I was unavailable and no deal goes through without my approval.

Wes is not all in the wrong here. 1) anyone can back out at anytime. Even if another deal "hinges" on a choice. I have had this happen before and not taken it to this level. I dont know if I even believe Alanna had a buyer. In less then 12 hours the local buyer found another snake and got it? Sounds a little fishy. 2) Alanna was very rude, pushy, and un professional in her communications, unlike my brother. 3) She has deleted quite a fews texts that were sent before and after the deal alleged was confirmed.

 

[TheDream]

Post 4 of 10 shows Alanna informing Wes by text that the trade deal hinges on if Wes confirming the deal as she has a buyer locally. (Proof given)

Wes agrees and asks is she will throw in decor. That right there shows an agreement whether Wes was eager to do the deal or not (that's the impression I got after reading through)

From what I gathered Alanna has psoted enough proof to show that Wes had agreed to the deal, Alanna provided to Wes that there was a local buyer and Wes ACKNOWLEDGES THAT as he has asked Alanna to see if the buyer wanted to still purchase the Aru as Wes wanted to back out. I also gathered that Wes is in the wrong here and from what I can read, very very uneducated and misinformed. He seemed very pleasant, however was very reluctant but agreed to the deal. Seeing that he had no idea that a black was not a borneo, I can only assume he had not gotten in touch with his brother to ask him in the beginning when he should have, and instead made the deal by himself. IMO Wes needs to learn a thing or two and I think Caleb needs to not let Wes make these kind of crucial decisions for their business. My 2 cents.

 

[snakemami]

Rebuff

Here is my answer. Sorry it is so long.

As opposed to fully telling our side of the story I will only comment on what Alanna has falsely informed everyone on how the deal transpired. I am only doing this as to give those who care, an opportunity to realize the absurdity of this post.
I can't see why you won't fully tell your side of the story, and please provide all of the proof as I did. If I am in the wrong, I will be certainly happy to admit it.

First off, Alanna did not tell Wes that she had a local buyer.
See post 4of10. States that offer good till tomorrow morning as I got an offer on her locally that hinges on whether you want her. I think that is pretty much stating I have a local buyer.
The 7:49pm text told Alanna that Wes was seriously interested and would probably do the deal. Same email where he says on bottom left Ok I think I will take the deal. Doesn't say seriously interested. Says will take the deal.The following morning, Wednesday the 13th, Wesley informed me of the trade that he wanted to do. I did not agree with it and informed Wes to tell Alanna that either 1) we wanted more time to discuss or 2) that we had decided against it. Being that the trade had been vaguely negotiated less then 24 hours ago, It wasn't vaguely negotiated, we had been texting about her all day the day before and on and off for weeks before thatI did not think it would be an issue to tell her we had decided against it or we needed more time to discuss. Wesley then informed me that Alanna had not taken well to the news and was threatening that “We were going to suffer repercussions of our behavior!” This is correct as the repurcussions of backing out of a deal was feedback on the BOI just as I had stated.
I decided to text Alanna myself to inform her that Wesley had just told me about the trade and that I didn’t agree with it. I apologized for any frustrations and wished her luck with he sale. She promptly responded with “This means nothing to me” and then text me saying again, that “we would be suffering the repercussions of our behavior.” I then sent the text that Alanna has included above. Correct as I lost the sale. Yes I was frustrated and aggrevated.I never cursed at them at all

As regards to the text message that Alanna says she got from a local friend is not even worth my time to comment on. That text is fictitious and fabriacated. Obviously not as it is posted here

As for my final comments, I think Alanna has gotten a little “high and mighty” in regards to her reputation here on Fauna. I have never said I was a big shot, high and mighty and feel that my reputation speaks for itself.I have multiple text messages that she sent to Wes explaining how she is a “big shot” on Fauna and that if we were to “piss her off” we would have a difficult time selling/trading with anybody on the site.I would like to see this I can sympathize with her disappointment with not getting to complete a trade but trying to bully Wes or I because of her status on Fauna, is shameful. I didn't bully, I promised and delivered as I promised. And if you notice I didn't say that you were bad guys, I listed this as an informative post.

In addition, Alanna’s choice to contact her local buyer was all hers. By not informing Wes about the buyer and the circumstances surrounding that buyer, and then using that against him, is a double standard. If she would have told Wes about the buyer and he confirmed he wanted to do the deal, then I can be much more understanding. But to not inform Wes and then use that against him is poor business practice on her part. This has been proven in the text posts. Are you going to stand by your word and make your brother live up to his and now your part?

Wes and I will not be bullied by Alanna on this site. We have completed many transactions successfully and have plenty of individuals who would confirm this. Disagreements do occur in this hobby however most mature professional individuals will not elevate it to the level that Alanna has.

I am not vindictive so I will not say that I will never have future dealings with Alanna. I can forgive her for her behavior and apologize that the situation transpired as it did. Reconciliation is always possible.Not in my eyes. Why would I be so foolish to allow you to back out on a deal twice?

Thanks for your time in reading this and thank you Fauna for giving us an opportunity to sell and connect with other individuals in this hobby. Wes never "officially" agreed to the deal. I think this is where the root of the problem is. Alanna says he did, Wesley says he didn't. The buck should stop there. Even if he "officially" confirmed that he wanted to do the deal it is still ok to back out. If you feel it is ok to confirm a deal and then back out then you are sadly mistaken and I certainly hope that people you do business with feel the same way.Especially considering the time frame. We are talking about less then 24 hours! I have had this happen to me dozens of times. Things happen, people change their minds! Alanna is lacking professionalism and is trying to bully Wes and I. That is why this thread is here.

Now, had Alanna informed Wes that she was foregoing a local buyer in order to do this deal and Wes agreed/confirmed, then I would have forced him to complete the trade. However, this did not occur. I am a man of my word.We shall see. Again this is proven. Are you going to force him to complete the trade?

I am sorry she is frustrated but I will not be pushed around by her.

 

[ozz465]

i don't see any prof from either party ,it would help prove the facts . . but so far this thread will help steer people away from dealings with certain people real fast .

 

[CSJ2010]

Post 4 of 10 shows Alanna informing Wes by text that the trade deal hinges on if Wes confirming the deal as she has a buyer locally. (Proof given)

Wes agrees and asks is she will throw in decor. That right there shows an agreement whether Wes was eager to do the deal or not (that's the impression I got after reading through)

From what I gathered Alanna has psoted enough proof to show that Wes had agreed to the deal, Alanna provided to Wes that there was a local buyer and Wes ACKNOWLEDGES THAT as he has asked Alanna to see if the buyer wanted to still purchase the Aru as Wes wanted to back out. I also gathered that Wes is in the wrong here and from what I can read, very very uneducated and misinformed. He seemed very pleasant, however was very reluctant but agreed to the deal. Seeing that he had no idea that a black was not a borneo, I can only assume he had not gotten in touch with his brother to ask him in the beginning when he should have, and instead made the deal by himself. IMO Wes needs to learn a thing or two and I think Caleb needs to not let Wes make these kind of crucial decisions for their business. My 2 cents.

Although I have proof of texts that Alanna sent to Wes that were quite pushy and rude, I feel that it would be pointless to put them up here.

I'm with ya Victor. Wes agreed to a deal without my consent. Wes and I have discussed the issue and this will not happen again. Wesley has done many deals on my behalf and has done a great job. He is a very respectful individual but just got caught up in this deal. I do feel that Alanna was exploiting his youth while trying to work the deal but that is neither here nor there and this point.

Fyi, it is a Borneo Black Blood or Borneo x Black. I gues the latter would be clearer.

 

[TheDream]

"Now, had Alanna informed Wes that she was foregoing a local buyer in order to do this deal and Wes agreed/confirmed, then I would have forced him to complete the trade. However, this did not occur".

You claimed you are a man of your word; Wes knew about the local buyer and was well informed. Stick to your word and end all of this b.s. you said it yourself!

 

[ozz465]

sorry , i posted my last reply b4 the prof was posted . anyways seems alana was in the right on this issue.

 

[CSJ2010]

i don't see any prof from either party ,it would help prove the facts . . but so far this thread will help steer people away from dealings with certain people real fast .

That is why I think I am done with this thread. It should have never gotten to the BOI. Alanna is being plain vindictive.

Given Alanna's criteria, I could post many similar deals that have occurred to me. However, I don't find it necessary to be vindictive.

 

[TheDream]

Alanna has been the only one to post any proof whatsoever; she posted proof that a local buyer existed, she posted proof of Wes confirming the deal, and she posted proof that another individual contacted her with information regarding what Wes had said.

Whether or not you feel Alanna is being vindictive or not, you sir have posted no evidence of what you are proclaiming to be true. She has backed up her statements 100% and you have verified that if this to be the truth you would have forced Wes to do the deal. That is the end of story right there.

Listen Caleb, I have a brother too and I would do anything in the world to have his back. However, what Wes did was go above you and make decisions on YOUR behalf. He is in the wrong and if there are texts that exist between Alanna and Wes where she has been vindictive or rude, it is as a result of your brother's actions.

 

[snakemami]

I don't feel I have done anything to be vindictive. I think I have been factual, honest and have provided enough proof. Caleb and his brother Wes aren't going to do the right thing; that is evident. I know this. I am glad that people will know and see the truth.

 

[CSJ2010]

"Now, had Alanna informed Wes that she was foregoing a local buyer in order to do this deal and Wes agreed/confirmed, then I would have forced him to complete the trade. However, this did not occur".

You claimed you are a man of your word; Wes knew about the local buyer and was well informed. Stick to your word and end all of this b.s. you said it yourself!

At this point I probably will not. She will then have sucessfully bullied us into getting what she wants. Had she kept it between Wes and I and tried to talk to me outside of Fauna instead of taking it to the BOI, then I would have made him do the deal. She needed to have given me the chance to look into the situation and sent me the texts instead of putting all of it on here. She tried calling me once while I was in a conference for work. After I didnt pick up she sent me texts demanding Wes send the snakes or she would take it here. Having had no time to look into the situation and receiving the attitude from her that I was getting in her texts, I was not inclined to get to the bottom of the situation. She should have contacted yesterday and tried to resolve the situation with me.

 

[snakemami]

At this point I probably will not. She will then have sucessfully bullied us into getting what she wants. Had she kept it between Wes and I and tried to talk to me outside of Fauna instead of taking it to the BOI, then I would have made him do the deal. She needed to have given me the chance to look into the situation and sent me the texts instead of putting all of it on here. She tried calling me once while I was in a conference for work. After I didnt pick up she sent me texts demanding Wes send the snakes or she would take it here. Having had no time to look into the situation and receiving the attitude from her that I was getting in her texts, I was not inclined to get to the bottom of the situation. She should have contacted yesterday and tried to resolve the situation with me.

You literally said in two sentenced I called you but you were in a meeting. You never tried to call me back as you indicated in your text. I gave you the opportunity to clear this up all day yesterday as I didn't post any of this till today. You were the one who said to go ahead and post to the BOI. I said I will. I have tried and tried. But you admit you are not a man of your word.
You have no proof, you have nothing posted, you have said tons of contradictory things and now say I didn't try.......... unbelievable.

 

[TheDream]

"At this point I probably will not. She will then have sucessfully bullied us into getting what she wants."

In all honesty, not really. She presented proof after proof of what she had originally claimed as the truth and even YOU admitted that you missed the part of the texts where she proclaims the local buyer. By you completing the deal and the terms set forth, you will have stuck to your word and gained reputation by admitting you were wrong but were willing to fix it.

We all make mistakes, that's a given. It's how you make up for those mistakes that makes you the better man/woman and an honest individual set out to do the right thing.

That

 

[Utta]

Ok, unless I missed where the actual weight of the bee was, I'm assuming its still 200g. If you think your brother was being taken advantage of for wanting to do a straight trade for a 200g bee for the 2000 1800g female PROOVEN Aru and Alanna wanting more, you and him need to do more research on the price for such an animal. Imo, that's just an insult.

 

[Utta]

Proven*

 

[JMartin1982]

Ok I have posted one time on the BOI other then this. I wasn't going to get into this but after Alanna has posted this thread I've decided to speak up.

I met Wes back in Dec 09. At that time he had a Aru GTP He came to my house and to trade the Aru for other reptiles I had. We decided on a trade and we was both happy him with his reptiles and I with the GTP.

Now fast forward to this month. I decided to take my hobby on to red tails as I like their temperament more and they are a lot of them reasonably priced right now. More so then GTP. The GTP just didn't fit in my breeding list anymore so I called Wes up and we made a deal on his CBLT and a cash trade in trade for my Aru GTP.

NO point what so ever did we lose contact or was their any backing out. I even post about them here on the BOI about how nice and stand up Wes and his brother were. Wes maybe a teenager but he is VERY grown up in everything he does. His brother as well.

Now about Alanna I have two questions that I saw in the texts?

1st question:

I read thew the text messages in the 14 pic/text it says:

Offer good till tomorrow morning as I got an offer on her locally that hinges on if u want her or not.

Funny you use the word hinges. So am I wrong to say the trade with the local guy wasn't set in stone either?

Question number 2:

pic/text 2
I have turned down offers of 900 on her.

If you have then why didn't you go back to those people and see if they was still interested in her?

I also see you threatening and trying to manipulate Wes way before Wes decided to forgo the deal and then again after his brother told you they had not want to go on with the deal.

In closing Wes and an his brother are VERY nice people and I for one will do business with them again as I have in the past.

 

[aleria]

I also see you threatening and trying to manipulate Wes way before Wes decided to forgo the deal and then again after his brother told you they had not want to go on with the deal.

In closing Wes and an his brother are VERY nice people and I for one will do business with them again as I have in the past.

I would like to see it quoted where she was "threatening and trying to manipulate" Wes during the deal.
I see the usual bargaining back and forth that happens in all trade deals. You don't just take the first thing offered(usually), but instead both people barter back and forth until they decide upon what is fair to both. And flat out, that is all I saw happening during the dealing process. Just because he wanted to low ball her(although said he didn't) and she didn't immediately take his first offer, does not mean she was threatening or manipulating him. And no one forced him to take that deal either. If he wasn't happy with it and did think it wasn't a fair deal then he shouldn't have agreed to it and should have just walked away rather than waiting until it was time to ship the next day to say he had changed his mind.

 

[JMartin1982]

I'm sorry I should have made that clearer. This is how I see it as. She thew out the whole conversation if she thought he was backing out even once she was saying I'm taking it to the BOI. I call that threatening and manipulating.