Info Wesballpython (Wes Head)

[TheDream]

As a member of a public forum, and be it that this issue was brought to a public forum for members to discuss and view proof of the matter, I would say that I have every right to voice my opinion. Though I was not directly involved in what has happened, I have given my input, and enough of it for everyone to make a conclusion.

What you do, or I do is not relevant to the matter. I am happy for you that you are an auditor; maybe you should audit your own brother's business practices a bit better. All you need to know is that I am involved in family law. I felt a need to contribute to the matter as I for one have been taken for rides like this and my job requires, and for myself, to find facts, go through proof of evidence and make a claim on the matter.

That is neither here nor there, what we are discussing pertains to Alanna. We will let the other members decide who they feel is in the wrong and who is in the right. However from what I have learned, proof and facts overshadow and eliminate any he said she said correspondence, to which you sir have provided none.

 

[cobraman1]

I don't know about your moral standards, but by mine, saying something and then going back on it, a few times actually, just as your brother did in making this deal in the first place, is wrong. Just a single example would be where you stated in a post here near the beginning that if she would post proof here in the form of the texts that specifically stated that she informed Wes that she had a local sale that was dependent on whether or not he agreed to this trade and that he had x amount of time to make up his mind, that you would complete the trade as originally agreed. That exact proof was posted, yet you said it didn't matter because she was "mean and vindictive" in even posting here in the first place as she stated she would.
Guess you shouldn't have said here that you would complete the transaction upon receipt of that proof then. Your actions here are no different from your brother's so it's not just him that is looking bad in their choices here. If you can't follow through with something then don't say it in the first place. To me, going back on something you've said is as good as lying, and to many others that have no issue being more... harsh, about it, would say that it is flat out lying. But I won't be so brash as to flat out call you a liar.
But I suppose if you find nothing wrong with going back on your word then you can say you've done nothing wrong.

I think some of you are taking this a bit to far. Nobody scammed anyone here or tried to BS anyone. It looks to me like a kid wanted a snake and tried to trade for it, then had to back out. OK, big deal. That doesnt make him a bad person. Jeez, how many of you on here have backed out of a trade. I can see where it would piss of the op a little bit, but to go to this extent is just unreal. The kid backed out of a trade, BIG DEAL.

 

[aleria]

I think some of you are taking this a bit to far. Nobody scammed anyone here or tried to BS anyone. It looks to me like a kid wanted a snake and tried to trade for it, then had to back out. OK, big deal. That doesnt make him a bad person. Jeez, how many of you on here have backed out of a trade. I can see where it would piss of the op a little bit, but to go to this extent is just unreal. The kid backed out of a trade, BIG DEAL.

Problem with your logic there is he didn't HAVE to back out, he chose to, even knowing that he would be costing her a sale in the process.
As I stated, if he, or anyone else doesn't see anything wrong with going back on your word with no regard for how it will affect another person then go for it. I personally do see something wrong with it.
The way I see it, if you aren't sure about something then don't do it, playing the whole "takesy backsey" game like children in a business setting is unprofessional whether on the part of a buyer or a seller.

 

[CSJ2010]

Problem with your logic there is he didn't HAVE to back out, he chose to, even knowing that he would be costing her a sale in the process.
As I stated, if he, or anyone else doesn't see anything wrong with going back on your word with no regard for how it will affect another person then go for it. I personally do see something wrong with it.
The way I see it, if you aren't sure about something then don't do it, playing the whole "takesy backsey" game like children in a business setting is unprofessional whether on the part of a buyer or a seller.

Thanks Mark. As I have been saying, this situation doesn’t warrant all this hoopla.

Aleria, no where did I post that if Alanna showed me proof on this forum that I would proceed with the deal. I did state that had she been more respectful in the beginning and asked that I look into it, I would have proceeded with the trade if I found Wes to had known about the local sale. I have discovered the full truth now (Wes wasn’t being honest with me) but based on Alanna handling it the way she did, I cannot in good conscience proceed with the deal. Thanks for inadvertently calling me a liar. I forgive you.

 

[cobraman1]

Problem with your logic there is he didn't HAVE to back out, he chose to, even knowing that he would be costing her a sale in the process.
As I stated, if he, or anyone else doesn't see anything wrong with going back on your word with no regard for how it will affect another person then go for it. I personally do see something wrong with it.
The way I see it, if you aren't sure about something then don't do it, playing the whole "takesy backsey" game like children in a business setting is unprofessional whether on the part of a buyer or a seller.

And the problem with you logic is HE WAS A CHILD. Hints the childish games. She knew that from the begining correct? I think it was wrong to make a deal and then change you mind at the last minute, but he was a kid that made a stupid choice. OK, now, is there really a huge problem here. Putting this thread on the BOI is just as childish to me. Like I said in my first post, She should have done the deal with an adult instead of Wes. She even stated that she wouldnt work with him at first because he was a minor.

 

[aleria]

Wes never "officially" agreed to the deal. I think this is where the root of the problem is. Alanna says he did, Wesley says he didn't. The buck should stop there. Even if he "officially" confirmed that he wanted to do the deal it is still ok to back out. Especially considering the time frame. We are talking about less then 24 hours! I have had this happen to me dozens of times. Things happen, people change their minds! Alanna is lacking professionalism and is trying to bully Wes and I. That is why this thread is here.

Now, had Alanna informed Wes that she was foregoing a local buyer in order to do this deal and Wes agreed/confirmed, then I would have forced him to complete the trade. However, this did not occur. I am a man of my word.

I am sorry she is frustrated but I will not be pushed around by her.

Here is the post I was referring to. Now I do not see you state in that post that "if she had conducted herself more nicely then I would have gone through with it". No, you stated the bolded above, which is exactly what I stated.

And no I am not making this some huge deal as if this were on the same level as a bad guy thread even. It is what it is, an info thread, and I am simply stating my opinions on the way these two brothers, who are presenting themselves as partners in a business, are conducting that business.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Im not picking sides here, nor do I know either party involved, but Did the OP state in the first post that she wasnt even going to work with wes, because he was a minor? If this is true, then why wouldnt you have talked to his older brother before this was all set in stone. I personally think if you werent going to make a deal with a minor before, then you should have done the deal through the older brother before this deal was made. I still think this is a little bit of a stretch to put on the BOI in the first place. I understand your frustration, but its not like anything was shipped or owed.

It was put up as an info thread.... and not a bad guy thread. Its not a stretch at all.

 

[BernardBC]

Im glad this was not me on the sellers end.. In my opinion after the facts have all been laid out this probably does deserve a bad guy thread. I have seen Wes's name around a lot in the classifieds and never heard any issues til now. I feel if they are business partners then they are responsible for each others decisions. And if Caleb wont let Wes make a deal without permission its probably best Wes just stays out of all negotiations period. After reading this I know I will stay clear of both of them.

 

[ozz465]

Im glad this was not me on the sellers end.. In my opinion after the facts have all been laid out this probably does deserve a bad guy thread. I have seen Wes's name around a lot in the classifieds and never heard any issues til now. I feel if they are business partners then they are responsible for each others decisions. And if Caleb wont let Wes make a deal without permission its probably best Wes just stays out of all negotiations period. After reading this I know I will stay clear of both of them.

I agree 100%, best to avoid .

 

[Abish]

Im glad this was not me on the sellers end.. In my opinion after the facts have all been laid out this probably does deserve a bad guy thread.

I don't agree there. I'm surprised to see it is the minority opinion so far, but I fall on the side that says you should absolutely not consider it a done deal unless you've dealt with the parent, guardian or business partner of the minor.

Once Alanna and Caleb had actually established communication, I think there was room for improvement on both ends.

 

[whimpyguns]

still no proof of anything from the Heads.......
keep kids off the site.......
if caleb agreed to the trade, would he need mommy's permission to ship.....
mike mcmullen

 

[Dustan]

Ugh..

I very rarely post on the BOI, but I feel the need to today.

First off, I would like to commend Wes, and Jaceb for remaining level headed throughout this whole ordeal. In my opinion, Alanna, you are stomping your feet like a child. I understand this is not a bad guy thread, but it absolutely reflects on the brothers business. How many people in this thread already said they would likely avoid business with them now?

Anyone who has been in this business long enough, knows that people back out of deals on a regular basis. Wes didn't know the finer details of your "pending" deal, and was most definetely pressured into agreeing with your deal. Although you may not believe it, judging by your texts clearly shows you to be acting as a used car salesman trying to get another car off the lot. This in turn affected wes' decision, because he obviously wanted the aru, but more than likely was think that he needed his brothers okay first.

I understand you lost a sale, shit happens. If I posted everytime a deal like this went down, I would fill the first 10 pages of the BOI.

Get over it, re-list your Aru, I'm sure it will sell eventually.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I get children asking for transactions often. I usually can weed them out if they are honest and tell me their age before the transaction goes though.

However, if they aren't then my TOS is set up to handle any issues regarding dealing with minors (NO returns... they aren't my children and their parents should be better informed on what their kids are up to).

That said, I do not knowingly do business with minors. Once their age is brought to my attention, I do not go any further until I get an adult to step in and confirm approval of transaction and take over the communication (I have had a minor contact me regarding a Pied...saying him and his father are in business and he's acting on his father's behalf...yeah, right). My best, very best, transaction was when a buyers PARENTS took over the handling to the purchasing proceeds and stayed in touch a bit after receiving the snake .

If the minor had backed out on a deal with me, I would have chalked it up to experience, and not posted, because it would be on ME for going though with it, when I knew the customer was a minor, instead of insisting on dealing with the person in charge.

That said, I am happy that the OP did post. Why? Because by doing so, the communications did reveal that the "big" brother was no more reliable than the "little" one.

IMO, all three of them committed errors.

 

[KelliH]

Good grief. He changed his mind! He (or his brother and he) decided not to go through with the trade. BFD! And you come here and post this drivel on the BOI why? Because you didn't get your way. You even threatened him (the minor child that you should not have been conducting business deals with in the first place); telling him you would post on the BOI if he did not send those snakes out to you. Shame on you!

If I posted BOI threads every time a potential customer backs out on a deal or changes their minds about a deal I would have dozens and dozens of threads here! My apologies if this offends those that agree with this thread being here but I am one of those folks who believes that negative BOI threads should be taken seriously and should only be posted as a last resort, not posted in anger because someone didn't get what they wanted.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Good grief. He changed his mind! He (or his brother and he) decided not to go through with the trade. BFD! And you come here and post this drivel on the BOI why? Because you didn't get your way. You even threatened him (the minor child that you should not have been conducting business deals with in the first place); telling him you would post on the BOI if he did not send those snakes out to you. Shame on you!

If I posted BOI threads every time a potential customer backs out on a deal or changes their minds about a deal I would have dozens and dozens of threads here! My apologies if this offends those that agree with this thread being here but I am one of those folks who believes that negative BOI threads should be taken seriously and should only be posted as a last resort, not posted in anger because someone didn't get what they wanted.

You said it better.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Kelli.... actually this is an info thread... not a bad guy thread. If you dont use the info tag for things like this... then why have an info tag?

 

[JMartin1982]

Thank You! I'm not the only one who thinks Alanna is acting like a toddler kicking and sceaming trying to get her way!

 

[snakemami]

Like I said and I will clarify again, I was told over the phone that Wes had his brother's permission to negotite the trade. I admit my fault was that I didn't speak to his brother prior to finalizing the trade, but after what I learned yesterday about this duo, I think you will all see additional things that will come to light very soon.
I have admitted my fault in dealing with and trusting that Wes was truthful when he sid he had his brother's permission but I did call Caleb and he didn't call me back. I didn't post as a bad guy thread and I think I have stated the facts very carefully in this transaction. I am not calling anyone names, unlike the people who are attacking me. I have thick skin and I can take it.
I would like to say that I never threatened anyone. I very matter of factly said that I had planned to post to the BOI, which I did if they failed to finalize the trade they agreed to. It is a big deal to back out of what is supposed to be a done deal, at least in my opinion.
I will say that after hearing from others who were negatively affected by Wes that I am glad he didn't end up with my GTP, as what he was going to send to me wasn't even what he represented. The seller tells me that the bee was a male and weighed less than 100 grams and not a 200 gram female like I was informed.

 

[KelliH]

Kelli.... actually this is an info thread... not a bad guy thread. If you dont use the info tag for things like this... then why have an info tag?

It's a negative BOI thread, which is what I posted. Whether it has an INFO tag next to it or not.

 

[Southern Wolf]

It's a negative BOI thread, which is what I posted. Whether it has an INFO tag next to it or not.

Im sorry you feel that way.. .but here is what I am seeing.

they made a deal and was supposed to ship the very next day. She then told another buyer that the deal had been made and thus she lost THAT sale. Wes and his brother (sorry... dont remember the name) then backs out of the deal later that night.

So now she has lost TWO sales on that snake due to them backing out.

Personally... I think this warrents an info thread. I would want to know about someone backing out after a deal had been made. This one thread will let folks know.. that if they have a deal with Wes and Co then dont shut out a potential sale on their word alone.