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What is most important when purchasing from a reptile store?

What is the most important thing you look for when purchasing from a reptile store?

  • Cleanliness

    Votes: 37 43.0%
  • Conveniant Location

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Size of Store

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Customer Service

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Knowledgable Staff

    Votes: 33 38.4%
  • Variety of Reptiles

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Large Selection of Supplies

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Large Selection of Turtles and Tortoises

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Large Selection of Snakes

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Large Selection of Lizards

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Total voters
    86

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I am curious to see what people look for in a reptile store. Post your opinions on what you expect to see in one. Thanks.

Tony Alles
www.reptileguru.com
 
Tony,

I appreciate your interest in everyone's insight on this issue, but I think this post is somewhat misplaced. It really belongs on the General Business forum rather than here on the BOI. Perhaps you might email the WebSlave (Rich Z.) and ask him to move it?

;)
 
My personal opinion on the matter is the knowledgeable staff come first and foremost in the structure of what I see as important and I feel the remainder tend to be a result of that knowledge.

While I trust my own ability to determine the general well being of an animal and rarely rely on the determination of those I am purchasing from... Knowledgeable staff will be able to give me background information in the manner I want it when considering a purchase... I don't ask "Does it bite?" or "Whats it called again?" questions... I do however ask where they obtained it, how long they have had it, what it has eaten how many times, if it has been medicated (for anything likely to be WC) and with what... All questions that can't be answered by somebody who wouldn't know what to make of the answers if they had them.

I also tend to trust the care the animal has had when in the store if I trust the sales staff to know the proper environmental conditions and diet.

Add in the fact that decent staff will usually encourage the development of the other factors... better selection of animals of all types, better animal health, better records and information, cleaner store and more reasonable prices (for retail)... and the individuals working become invaluable to the proper operation of a retail establishment.

I also might have a different deffinition of "clean" though... if the animal enclosures are clean, the aisles can be navigated without a problem and the shelves are neatly stocked and properly priced so I can find what I need... I don't care about the armpit stains on the clerk's GG Allin T-Shirt or the burger king wrappers on the desk in the office... That isn't to say I don't appreciate it when they learn the meaning of the word "deoderant" and I do feel more comfortable shopping when not worrying about mayo stains from the staff's lunch but... I tend to make my determination based off the staff's words and actions, the animals health and cleanliness of the important matters than a bit of dust in the corner... WalMarts are usually immaculate, I would eat off the floor or allow surgery to be performed on me in their bathrooms... But there's no way I would ever BUY anything from them...
 
I suspect this will be moved to GBD, but here goes..

Clean, knowledgable staff, and friendly attitude. Honesty about all aspects of their animals, including history, husbandry, and most importantly in helping someone determine if the animal is a suitable pet that will meet their ability, knowledge and desires.

Classic line. I'm in a store (GVS), holding an adult male surinam boa, and the sales guy is talking to a customer, who says, "I think we'll take a corn snake." =)

The customers had been through EVERY snake that wasn't a giant constrictor with the sales person, and was given the pros and cons of each. They were given plenty of info to help narrow down their selection, including housing and husbandry requirements, general temperment, etc. They were shown juvies and adults of most of the animals. Good info was given, and more importantly, the customer was interviewed to help determine what snake would be a good fit, not which would make the store the most money. Of course, over the long haul, that corn probably WILL make the store the most money, because it was the best choice at the time and would be positive introduction to snake keeping.

Stores that are good examples:

East Bay Viviarium, Berkley, CA
Great Valley Serpentarium, Lodi, CA
Pro Exotics, Littleton, CO

I'm sure there are more, but look at what these stores are doing, and you've got a good example of how to run a herp store.
 
I think the knowledgable staff is a must and the rest will basically follow. If the staff is knowledgable, the proper care will be given to the animals (including clean enclosures) and proper information will be given to customers. Also, from my experience, a knowledgable staff usually results in more selection and better quality overall of animals and equipment.

Just my .02
Dianne
 
I largely agree that knowledge comes first, but I don't think that good customer service necessarily follows. The right attitude is also important. I've been lied to by knowledgable store staff before, for the sake of making a sale.

It's when integrity and knowledge meet up that I'm most happy.
 
I went into a local store (Slither and Swim) that specializes in reptiles and asked about a dumerils boa they had. What an experience.

Me - Is the dumeril male or female?

Saleslady - I don't know?

Me - What is it eating and how often?

Saleslady - Not sure, can you call later today when the other guys come in?

Me - Can I see the boa?

Saleslady - I don't do snakes so I'm not taking it out?

Me - Never mind.


I left without buying anything. The sad part is I had the cash in my wallet to get the boa and I purposely went there looking to pick up a new snake. The store was presentable and the tanks were clean and the snakes appeared healthy but come one now. How many sales do they lose each day that are directly related to this lady? I would not be surprised if their business doubled if she was replaced. They had the cleanliness down but the staff's help and knowledge was terrible.
 
I cant just pick one!!!!
Too many of those things are crucial and too important to just choose one.

Cleanliness, customer service, knowledgeable staff, and selection would be most important to me personally. Although, for a store owner I'm sure convenient location would help sales a lot. For me, I'd drive a good ways out of my way to check out reptiles : )

Dana
 
IF I were buying a reptile from that pet store, then a knowledgable staff would be the most important thing.

However for me personally, a large selection of supplies is the only thing I consider when going to a pet store, because this is the only use I have for them, and that's not very often.

I haven't purchased a reptile from a pet store in over a decade, and I can't envision a circumstance occuring which would ever cause me to again.
 
Steve,

I understand your frustration, and I can see your point. Howeve, while I do think it is important to have employees trained in all areas, in some instances that is simply a luxury that some stores can not afford. It is difficult to find people that are very knowledgable in tropical fish & reptiles & small animals etc. The lady in question could be the most knowledgeable fish person around and that alone is worth keeping her employed. Ideally employers would be able to staff their stores with experts in every are but sometimes it just doesn't work out.

I do think she could have handled the case a little differently, and I do think that every employee should be, at the very least, able to get by in all areas (saying "I don't do snakes" is not acceptable, but admitting you are not the most knowledgable reptile person is)

Of course, the particulars of each animal should be listed so she could at least answer some of the simple questions. Sometimes that is the fault of the owner (my hand is up) and not the employee however. I would bet that if a few of your questions had been answered you would have been more than happy to come back to talk to someone more knowlegable


Steve Schindler
 
a clarification

I should have said, It would be nice to be able to have a store fully staffed at all times with experts in all areas, but that is not a luxury every pet store can afford.

All employees should be trained in all areas of course. That doesn't mean they have to be experts but they should have a working knowledge of all areas of the store.

Steve Schindler
 
You have some good choices to choose from, but I find it impossible to say that any of these would be the most important thing for a herp store. The number one, absolutely, most important thing I look for in a herp store is the apparent health of the animals - ALL of the animals. If there is one animal that even hints of being ill, I would not buy there. :( This is why I have not bought more than one reptile or amphibian in a herp shop in the last 10 years or so that I can remember! :( Remember that most herps take a long while to show obvious signs of disease, so if it is obvious that a reptile or amphibian is sickly, they certainly have not cared for the animal for way too long as far as I am concerned.

After that there are a lot of other concerns. If the enclosures are not clean or at least look as if they are cleaned regularly, I would not buy. I have seen tanks with one poop in there, ok - maybe no one had time to get to it yet. On the other hand, I have also seen shops with tanks that have three or four poops inside, some in the water dish, and some smeared all over the glass :(. I leave places like that quickly.

Knowledgeable employees are a great plus although, an unknowledgeable one may not always send me running. One that tells me I don't do snakes, well that is another story. Any shop should hire only people who will handle all of the animals. Why would you hire someone in a pet shop who would only handle turtles when you specialize in all types of herps? Yeah, he/she may be a turtle expert, but how could an owner allow an employee to snub customers like that? That would likely be an out the door express for me. Of course, that same person (mentioned in someone else’s post) could have easily said: "Sir, do you mind taking it out. You see even though I work here I am not a really good snake person, so otherwise you will have to wait or come back later when someone else is here." It is a shame that customer service no longer includes common sense or common courtesy.

The size of the store does not matter too much. One of the best herp shops I ever visited was also the smallest herp shop I have ever been inside. It was called Fang & Claw and was located on West 14th Street in Manhattan in New York City. This was a long time ago I guess in the late sixties or early seventies. It was one heck of a store. As far as variety went, it specialized pretty much in either Green Tree Pythons or Emerald Tree Boas. You know, the ones that look alike – I am not a boa guy and hopefully got the names right. I do know that his breeding of these snakes back then was quite an achievement. He had tank after tank set up with baby snakes, and breeder adults. The owner also had some other herps, but it was mainly those boids. I bought some snakes there. I did not have lots of money back then (come to think of it not now either), so none of those high end snakes for me. I remember that I got my first Sonoran Gopher Snake there, and I think a Chain Kingsnake. I also was talked into buying, by the shop owner, a copy of The Keeper and The Kept. How I wish I still had that edition! It was the best non-animal herp related item I have ever purchased.

As far as variety of herp supplies goes, I usually do not buy herp supplies from a “reptile store”. I am guessing you mean a herp specialty store or a shop that specializes even more to just sell reptiles, and that you do not mean a general pet shop. Herp stores are usually way too expensive when it comes to supplies.

A large variety of animals is more likely to lure me there than is a large variety of supplies. I am a snake guy, but have kept and do keep other herps too. I like to see some of everything when I visit a shop.

A large variety of herp related books might also be nice :), but at a good price because I can usually get books on line or at shows at great prices. I may pay more at a herp store for a book or a herp if when all things are considered such as shipping charges, or gas and tools and entry fees to reach a show are factored in to my figuring.

A surprise, at least for me, is that you did not make the price of the herps one of your choices. Remember we are talking about factors that matter when making a purchase! If a herp shop has an animal for sale at a decent price and all other factors are ok, I would consider buying it. If on the other hand the prices are sky high, and I know all I need to do is to wait to get the same animal, of the same quality, somewhere else at a significantly lower price, then why even think about buying it at this shop? ;)

As far as a convenient location goes, heck I have traveled as far as – well pretty darned far just to visit pet shops with herps and even further for herp specialty shops. I have driven at least 200 miles each way to attend a herp show, and probably have driven at least 75 miles each way to visit a herp specialty shop. :D
 
I am talking about a Reptile Only store. Not petsmart or petco. Every one knows that a petstore is not the place to purchase live animals. A reptile only store is a breeder with a store front. Like Pro Exotics for example. Just to clarify the question. Thanks for all the input, it is greatly appreciated.

Tony Alles
 
A reptile only store is a breeder with a store front. Like Pro Exotics for example.

I haven't bothered wandering down in that direction since I read something about the retail facility closing... (And was told it was last time I went in)

But I have been in a fair share of reptile specialty retail establishments and I can tell you in all honesty and sincerity, Pro Exotics was (is?) a member of a tiny... TINY minority group in that they produced a good portion of the animals they had for sale in their retail facility themselves.

The VAST majority of reptile specialty stores (Call it 50% or more of their livestock is herps) act as retail brokers, purchasing their animals from other sources and reselling them, much like Petsmart or Petco (on paper anyway). The difference inherent in the big chain stores is that the focus is on dry stock rather than livestock, most specialty stores tend to devote far more space to animal enclosures and less to supplies.

Generally, this results in a higher overhead and lower profits, which accounts for the semi-inflated prices some people have mentioned.

Ideally it results in better care of the animals and better, more knowledgeable and devoted staff since the primary focus becomes animal care and customer service rather than stacking things on shelf (although I have seen people not capable of even that), but this is not always the case (Have I told anyone that Ken Foose mooned me when I wandered into his shop?) mostly due to that overhead I mentioned before... There are also random staff in the "big two" who actually know what they're doing, but they seem to be few and far between (corporate retail mentality and hiring practices).

Point being... While many retailers do breed some of their own stock, very few personally produce most of the animals they sell, it would require far too much space and far too much time to produce the sheer volume of animals of the variety of species seen in many of the stores...

A few that do breed a good portion of their own stock do exist... but very... very few...
 
I would bet that if a few of your questions had been answered you would have been more than happy to come back to talk to someone more knowlegable

Most likely I would have come back when more staff was there if I had a little better luck with the person on at the time.
The fact of the matter was that this place is quite a haul from where I live and to drive all the way there and not be able to get any info on the animal I was interested in (much less see it out of the cage) frustrated me enough to walk out and keep my money.
 
Mildly offended

Tony,

as a petstore, I take offense to your comment

"Every one knows that a petstore is not the place to purchase live animals."

Now giving you the benefit of the doubt, I am sure that you do not believe that ALL pet stores are bad, and I would venture to guess that most, if not all, of my customers had no problems when they bought from a pet store. The fact that you did mention Petco and Petsmart make me think that you are talking primarily of the big chain stores and not the independents (although there are plenty of bad ones of them out there too.)

Not everyone who is interested in purchasing a single corn snake or leopard gecko is going to want to pay $35.00 over and above the cost of the animal to buy it on the net, and not all of them have access to herp shows. Even some of those that do choose to go to their local pet shop to buy their animals (providing they are healthy and the sevice is good) There is a bimonthly swap about an hour away from me and many of my regular reptile customers know about it. Many of them do not like the idea of buying from someone they will not be able to get ahold of tomorrow if their is a problem. My prices are a bit higher on some things, but on many they are more than competitive. (try buying a single snow corn off the net and getting it for $35.00 out of pocket)

As seamus pointed out, even most reptile only stores do not produce their own animals. They MAY buy from a better source than the big guys and provide better care but not always. In fact, I would guess that as independent stores become more and more successful at breeding their own animals the temptation increases to dump the whole retail aspect. I know thats what is going through my mind.

One last thing, and I am not saying that any of you are guilty of this, but many of you are claiming that you would not buy an animal from a pet store. I have no problems with this but I do find it very strange that many of the people who would never consider buying from me because they can get their stuff cheaper elsewhere, never hesitate to call me first thing when they have a problem with that animal, or product, they buy from someone else just because I live down the street rather than half a continet away.


Steve Schindler
 
Good points Steve. Not all reptile specialty stores are bad to buy pets from. The local store that I used to use regularly (Fin & Feather) has some very nice animals and decent prices on supplies. My first boa came from a pet store that sold herps, as did some of the rescues that I now own. Early on, I didn't know about the reptile shows or have access to local ones. My local shop had decent prices on supplies and prey items (for a store anyway) and I used them regularly. Now that I've discovered the shows and frozen feeders online, I order most of my supplies online or pick them up at shows. I still drop by the local shop to see what they have or if I need something immediately, rather than wait for it to be shipped. Sometimes I just drop by to look and say hello to the old-timers there that I've known for years. While I wouldn't buy an animal from my local PetSmart, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one from Fin & Feather. And yes, they mostly broker animals, but I know that they look to the local reptile community for the most common animals as well as a few of the more unusual ones. They do their best to order from reputable suppliers for the rest of their stock. Another bonus for this store, IMO, is that there are a handful of their employees that participate in the local herp society. While it isn't typically of many pet stores, there are those out there that are outstanding and shouldn't be painted with the same brush as the big chains.

Dianne
 
Yes, I was talking about the larger chain stores. There are some small stores that are also not good, but that varies store to store. I get offended at the same comments. I also own a store. It is a reptile only store. I posted this just to see what people look for. I hear comment on here all the time about not buying from stores. The funny thing is, you are more likely to get ripped off on the internet then from your local pet store. When you go to a store you get to look at every animal, not just the one you want to buy. You can make your opinions on the quality first hand. On the internet you are trusting others opinions and the sellers reputation. It is easy to fool people over the internet, I am sure many of you have been scammed. We don't breed most the reptiles we sell, but we are still a breeder. We use the sales we make on other reptiles, feeders, and supplies, to help us increase the size of our breeding stock. You don't have to breed every animal you sell to be considered a breeder. Many breeders recieve animals in trade and then turn around and sell them. So would you now call them a broker. I wouldn't. That is just how the bussiness goes. I appreciate all the replies. It is good to see what every one is looking for in a store. Keep posting it helps all of us to here these opinions. Thanks again.

Tony Alles
www.reptileguru.com
 
Our store causes a lot of confusion. I will explain it all, to clarify things. Online we are known as reptileguru.com. Our store is called Prehistoric Pets, located in Chino, Ca. We are not associated in any way with Prehistoric Pets.com, also found in Fountain Valley, Ca. Jay Villa, aka Jay Brewer, is the owner of Prehistoric Pets.com and was the previous owner of our store. Our location has been open for 12 years, but my brother and I have owned it for almost 5 years. We purchased it from Jay in October of 1998. Jay allowed us to still use Prehistoric Pets as the name of our store, but online we chose to use reptileguru.com to avoid confusion. Thanks.

Tony Alles
www.reptileguru.com
 
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