What is this guy?

[Montoya]

Have you seen a morph like this before? If so please let me know what it is.

 

[scratchypen]

Looks normal to me. Am I missing something?

 

[AtrociousOne]

i agree, normal. nice bands toward the tail.

 

[rabernet]

It's a normal morph.

 

[Montoya]

Looks normal to me. Am I missing something?

Not really, this is the expected response I thought I would get back. I was hoping that someone would be able to recognize it as a subtle morph already out there.

I threw this out there because it is a common denominator in some offspring I produced over several clutches and I confirmed it when it crossed into a pastel recently. It has crossed into some of my desert offspring producing really cool stuff.

Here is a picture of the recent cross into the pastel. I have a pastel sibling on the right.

I will probably post this on most of the forums to see if anyone can idenify it. Hard to beleive it would not already be out there somewhere.

 

[rabernet]

Not really, this is the expected response I thought I would get back. I was hoping that someone would be able to recognize it as a subtle morph already out there.

I threw this out there because it is a common denominator in some offspring I produced over several clutches and I confirmed it when it crossed into a pastel recently. It has crossed into some of my desert offspring producing really cool stuff.

Here is a picture of the recent cross into the pastel. I have a pastel sibling on the right.

I will probably post this on most of the forums to see if anyone can idenify it. Hard to beleive it would not already be out there somewhere.

It still looks normal to me, and just passed on its busy pattern to your pastels. I produced pastels from a busy girl that look very similar to those.

 

[RyanT]

Is it a Huffman?!

 

[dustinNMpythons]

I thought the huffman was darker than that and it has squiggles similar to a black pastel

 

[Montoya]

Is it a Huffman?!

I don't know, I will look into that later. Not sure if I have seen one yet, thank you.

 

[rabernet]

I thought the huffman was darker than that and it has squiggles similar to a black pastel

I think he's being facetious.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

I think he's being facetious.

OOOOOHHHH I didn't catch the underlying joke on that one.

 

[Montoya]

It still looks normal to me, and just passed on its busy pattern to your pastels. I produced pastels from a busy girl that look very similar to those.

What I showed was a hatchling I suspect is more than normal. Your pastel has pastel color. This is the sire.

Last year I produced 1 clutch with this weird looking desert (coloration and pattern)

This year I produced some weird stuff with the male sire again.

I have a couple others that I have not photographed well that are not as extreme as these.

The snakes pictured in the original post all have attributes found within several of the deserts produced. I have never seen a better pastel desert produced so far, and I got two of them, both extreme.

Could I have produced a c or d grade pastel with a funky pattern, sure it's possible. I got two of those with two pastels in the clutch who look like the mother.

I was working with Pro Exotics before the fire on this, they have also produced a few that have that funky type pattern and were holding them back to work with.

I feel with the breedings done so far, that the desert sire has something else genetic wise going on. I feel at this time it lies with the snakes above. I could be wrong, but feel this must be explored further. Just because a snake isn't attractive doesn't rule out it may have something to offer.

 

[dustinNMpythons]

Wow Craig those are really awesome how come you always have the coolest desert stuff?

 

[airtight_python]

The blushing in the third animal down is insane. Something cool going on!

 

[Montoya]

The blushing in the third animal down is insane. Something cool going on!

Thank you. I have produced some more offspring from the desert male and got some more interesting stuff. I have also recieved confirmation from a couple a larger breeders that this is genetic and they are working on projects very similar to mine.

The last clutch hatched a cinnamon desert unknown and a cinnamon unknown. Thank you to those who kept an open mind and were supportive.

Cinnamon/desert/?

Cinnamon combo (middle)

 

[Focal]

That's amazing!!

 

[oskyle1567]

seems like a it really brightens colors up looking good

 

[Montoya]

seems like a it really brightens colors up looking good

It can, most of the original offspring have got much brighter as they have grown. There are two variations that are created for the same combo and this has made it much harder to figure out. It seemed like all kinds of stuff kept coming out different in the same clutch. One throws a wild pattern with dulled down coloration and the other has a subtle pattern with more intense color. I don't know what that means or holds on future breedings.

Here are both pastel deserts side by side. Both have the gene but are different from each other in color pattern.

These are the pastels side by side and again you can see the difference between them.

Here is one one it's own